Scriptures that say not all are saved

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No I am not confusing what you said. It is not your place nor our place to "not allow a brother to live in sin" It is not for us to judge our brother in this manner.

this is just flat wrong. Galatians chapter 6 clearly defines how a brother should help another brother who is living in sin. I quote:

"1Brothers,[a] if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. 5For each will have to bear his own load. "

this clearly shows that we are to help our brothers that transgress (denying Christ in this lifetime is a transgression btw).

You mentioned justice, I showed you what perfect justice means, and it is not an issue of mine you are the one who came in here basically saying that we and anyone else who does not believe as you do are not Christains.

you, by your own lips, preach a false Gospel. your idea of perfect justice is contradictory to the nature of God. so no, you did not show me a valid definition of justice.

Yes you do, and the bible does not say what you proclaim about Gods wrath being seperate from his love and the two existing in two different places.

not explicitely no, but there are many tenets of faith , e.g. THE TRINITY, which are not explicitely mentioned. but they are there for those reading with the Holy Spirit.

I was giving you the benefit of a doubt thinking that you might know some scripture but so far you don't seem to recognize it .. The scripture that says hell will give up it's dead is in revelation where it speaks af the judgement of every man. And no it isn't that I can't find it I just sometimes perfer to write in my own words wihtout giving lots of quotes which extend the length of the post. The text is there plain to see in the kjv.

i have succesfully rebuted all misinterpretations of actual quoted verses in this thread. i am hardly going to be admonished by a person who can't even take the time to quote Scripture and who likes to 'use his own words'.

Nonsense.. You indicate that Gods love and his wrath are divided and effectively his wrath is doing what he is not willing to do,

His wrath is an attribute of God, not God the Father as a whole. I know this is difficult to understand so don't worry if you don't get it. it is a secondary conclusion based on the primary conclusion that one must accept Christ as his Savior in this life or one goes to hell.

hence you indicate that God is divided against himself and as Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself can not stand.

Wrath and love perform seperate functions, hence God is not divided.

Aside fromt hat there is no scripture to infer from what you are asserting. It's funny how I can give you a scripture reference that in the bible says word for word what I have said and you claim I miss-interpretat it whereas you make comments that can not be found in scripture and act as though they actually appear there.

ummm, nowhere in the Bible does it say that denying Christ in this lifetime is OK. quite the opposite. sorry but your exegesis is severly lacking. my notion of God's wrath in hell while His Word is in heaven is not a completely original idea. but it does fit the nature of God and does not contradict anything in the Bible. It is not fundamental to my salvation. your claim that denying Christ in this lifetime (without repenting) is however, fundamental to your (lack of) salvation.
 
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this is just flat wrong. Galatians chapter 6 clearly defines how a brother should help another brother who is living in sin. I quote:

"1Brothers,[a] if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. 5For each will have to bear his own load. "
It would appear that you do not understand what "caught in a trangression" means.

you, by your own lips, preach a false Gospel. your idea of perfect justice is contradictory to the nature of God. so no, you did not show me a valid definition of justice.
You would not know justice if it hit you over the head apparently. Read the sermon on the mount sometime. Nothing could possibly be more just than to be treated exactly as you have treated others, judged the way you have judged others, ounished as you have punished others. Nothing could possibly be more unjust than the levy of a penalty that is 10 gazillion times more severe than the crime(s) then at the same time granting pardon to other guilty of crimes all based on what doctorines they believe. It is the most ridiculous thing that has ever been taught and yet there are millions of people going down this broad road of destruction totally duped by these fear tatics, it is a sad thing.

not explicitely no, but there are many tenets of faith , e.g. THE TRINITY, which are not explicitely mentioned. but they are there for those reading with the Holy Spirit.
So now you are impling that you have the holy spirit and I do not I see.. come down off your high horse dude.

i have succesfully rebuted all misinterpretations of actual quoted verses in this thread. i am hardly going to be admonished by a person who can't even take the time to quote Scripture and who likes to 'use his own words'.
No you haven't succesfully rebutted anything,

His wrath is an attribute of God, not God the Father as a whole. I know this is difficult to understand so don't worry if you don't get it. it is a secondary conclusion based on the primary conclusion that one must accept Christ as his Savior in this life or one goes to hell.
Show me the scripture that shows how Gods wrath is part of God that can be seperate from God who is love. Is he now a quadrinity?

Wrath and love perform seperate functions, hence God is not divided.
The bible also tells us that God will be all in all. It does not tell us that part of God will be seperated to punish sinners and that part of God will be seperated to reward believers. It says that all things will be under him and he will be all in all. Your seperation, division whatever doctorine is not scriptural and results in nonsense.


ummm, nowhere in the Bible does it say that denying Christ in this lifetime is OK. quite the opposite. sorry but your exegesis is severly lacking. my notion of God's wrath in hell while His Word is in heaven is not a completely original idea.
Of course not you heard it from someone else, but what you did not do is read it in scripture because it does not appear in scripture.

but it does fit the nature of God and does not contradict anything in the Bible. It is not fundamental to my salvation. your claim that denying Christ in this lifetime (without repenting) is however, fundamental to your (lack of) salvation.

I did not say what you claim I claim, and you have no clue as to my status with God. The fact that you would say such a thing just proves how blind you really are to the truth of the spirit. You have came in here judging everyone without a clue what you are even talking about, your assertions are not found in scripture and I find your comments about who is or is not saved and who is or is not a Christains very insulting.
 
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God never promised all would be saved. His faithfulness is seen in the fact that all have an option to be saved through Christ. The promise was for this lifetime, there is no supporting text that allows people to deny Christ in this lifetime and 'get it' in the afterlife. i believe in God's promises as written, not as re-interpreted to deny Christ's sacrifice. You misintepret Phil 2:9-10. the text is not meant to be used as a criteria for salvation as you propose. it is used to proclaim that all will know the Lordship of Christ over all things. in essence, to profess faith in God is to profess faith in Christ.

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1 Co 12:3 doesn't support your assertion. it is just stating a person saying anything in the 'Spirit of God' must not curse Christ. And that anyone saying Jesus is Lord must be filled with the Holy Spirit. There is no way this can be used to support the claim that denying Christ in this lifetime is OK.

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God's love doesn't fail because some are not saved. It is upheld because through Love, He denies entrance into heaven for those who are unholy. Unholiness is gained through denial of Christ. if God where to allow those who deny Christ into heaven, He would not be love.



Romans 8:20 does not mean what you say it does. Adam made the choice which doomed all men to frustration. God did not leave us without hope and He did not leave us with only free will to redeem ourelves as you claim. Hope == John 3:16.
Silent,

I wish you orthodox types would all come here at once; I feel like a broken record. We get you here and enjoy your company; prove you’re wrong and never hear from you again. I have been gone all day so I took a quick read of this forum.

But my question to you is simple. Where in the Bible do you get we have a freewill? Freewill is not a scriptural point. Without freewill your doctrine of eternal hell and torment has no merit. We are saved by grace; not freewill. No where does it say you have a choice for salvation. Where does it say we choose salvation? If any thing the Bible teaches totally contrary to the false doctrine of freewill.
 
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admit i am wrong? hardly. you continue to make the mistake of saying that denying Christ's sacrifice still allows for salvation. I have shown conclusively how you add things into Scripture to make them fit your point of view. I have had to do none of that.

show me your one exception.

So pride prevents you from admitting when you are going to be proven wrong, huh? Sorry to test you bro, but I have to test all spirits to see if they are from God. I don't need to show you my excemption because now even I do, I know it will not be beneficial. You know what Jesus said about caring for pearls.

All you had to say was, "If I am wrong, I will change my mind." Then I would have given you the exceptions found in Scripture. However, now we (those who are trying to explain to you what we believe) all know, you are not teachable, you are just here to argue it. I don't time for that. There are many others who want to know what we believe before they consider the doubts. I will spend my time on those who respect each other and learn from one another.

I know all the arguments because I had the same ones. I know your objection because I know what you believe. You do not know what I believe, but you need to ask questions, not presuppositions.
 
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You seem to cling to God's perfect love as reason God will save all people, even those who deny Christ in this lifetime. Unfortunately you are forgetting another attribute of God, holiness. This requires, by definition, that noone can come to Him except through Christ (due to His perfect sacrifice). If a person denies Christ then that person cannot approach God. You are picking and choosing which attributes of God on which to base your Scriptural interpretation. That is your mistake. Any intepretation must satisfy all attributes of God.
Of course I'm clinging to God's perfect love. God is Love!

You seem to have the idea that once a person dies, they can no longer approach God through Jesus. That's a very worldly way of looking at it, and may I add, a very God Limiting way of looking at it.

And by comparison, your interpretation doesn't "satisfy" the God is Love attribute. How do you reconcile that with your spirit?

Jesus is the light that lights in ALL men. Not all men have recognized that fact, but they will. We are assured of that.
 
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The power for salvation always comes from God. He alone is able. Consider these verses. “He (Jesus Christ) came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:11-13) Notice, please, that the power to become the sons of God (salvation) was to those that received Him.

Notice, also, that man cannot bring salvation to anyone, including himself, for it’s not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Who can receive salvation without God? No one!

The only verse one really needs to refute Universalism is John 3:16. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” This verse is telling us the same truth we saw in the first chapter of John. Here it uses the words believes in Him rather than received Him, but it is the same truth.

Our New Testament is replete with examples, but let this account with the Philippian jailer be adequate. “And he brought them out and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ So they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (Acts 16:30-31) What do we understand from these examples? Clearly, believing in Jesus Christ is necessary for our salvation.

The Universalist loves to use verses that appear to prove his point. Here’s an example: “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Jesus was, indeed, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but that does not mean everyone receives Him or believes in Him. Hebrews states it most clearly. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6) What is that reward? It is God Himself and eternal life in Him.

Jesus Christ is in the exact center of all God does, yesterday, today, and forever. Universalism removes Jesus Christ from the center and relegates Him to the sidelines. What Jesus did in the past was absolutely necessary, says the Universalist, but that is all finished now. We don’t need Jesus anymore. Salvation is now automatic for everyone. Men don’t have to believe in Jesus. They don’t have to love Him. They don’t even have to like Him. Everyone receives salvation, even Judas Iscariot, according to Universalism.
Hint—whenever Jesus Christ is not the centerpiece of a particular teaching, that teaching is not of God.

Under the doctrine of Universalism, the Gospel becomes an old-fashioned, outdated message. It was necessary for the first century, of course, but not for today. The all-inclusive work of Jesus Christ saves all of humanity forever. Who needs Jesus or the Gospel? All mankind reaps eternal life automatically. Why bother preaching the Gospel when all men become God’s children regardless of what they believe? (This contradicts the Bible that calls the Good News the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6.)

Universalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of God’s plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Universalism as not understanding the fullness of God’s “grace.” God’s true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

One last thought in closing. In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too. One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Universalism?

The universalist are particularly guilty of using biblical
words with non-biblical definitions. This is absolutely necessary
amongst them in order to maintain some sort of internal consistency of theology. It says that all mankind, even those who have openly rejected Jesus, those who have willingly committed horrible crimes and died without repentance, and without the covering of Christ’s blood, will enjoy a future with God. This belief is based upon the idea that God’s love is so infinitely great, that His grace in Christ is so awesome, that everyone will be saved. This simply is not true.

The danger of universalism is that it to can give someone a false
sense of security about their eternal destiny. It can remove the
need of accountability. It can remove the fear of judgment. It does
not require repentance. A person who adopts universalism can easily conclude that if he is going to be saved no matter what he does, then why be concerned about repentance or accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior? This potential error is most dangerous. Especially because if universalism is not true, then the false sense of security it has given to those who have not trusted in Christ, will
lead them to damnation. This is a very serious danger. Of course, simply because it is possible that people will become lax in accepting Christ if they adopt universalism, it does not mean
this is what will happen. Nor does it mean that all Universalists
think they can go out and sin willfully. On the contrary, most
Universalists are very moral. But, there is the inherent danger in
universalism that reduces the need for repentance and salvation.
This is a great risk. Eternity is a long time to be wrong and hell
is a terrible place to be forever.

“For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of
the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a
certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire
which will consume the adversaries” (NASB).

If Paul meant that (ALL were made alive in Christ the way this group puts it, he would not have wrote the above. There is a danger in the Universalist position.
 
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do you realize that the 'mercy over sacrifice' verse was meant to illustrate to the pharisees that God does not want vain sacrifices? This does not apply to Christ, I am quite surprised you dared propose such a thing. Christ's sacrifice was perfect and hence there was no room for vanity in said sacrifice.
Wow!

You really have no idea what your talking about do you?

do you really think God's word is only a one shot deal limited to the time and place where He said it?

I desire mercy not sacrifice only applies to the pharisee's?

Wow!

that's all I can say.
 
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The power for salvation always comes from God. He alone is able. Consider these verses. “He (Jesus Christ) came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:11-13) Notice, please, that the power to become the sons of God (salvation) was to those that received Him.

Notice, also, that man cannot bring salvation to anyone, including himself, for it’s not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Who can receive salvation without God? No one!

The only verse one really needs to refute Universalism is John 3:16. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” This verse is telling us the same truth we saw in the first chapter of John. Here it uses the words believes in Him rather than received Him, but it is the same truth.

Our New Testament is replete with examples, but let this account with the Philippian jailer be adequate. “And he brought them out and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ So they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (Acts 16:30-31) What do we understand from these examples? Clearly, believing in Jesus Christ is necessary for our salvation.

The Universalist loves to use verses that appear to prove his point. Here’s an example: “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Jesus was, indeed, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but that does not mean everyone receives Him or believes in Him. Hebrews states it most clearly. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6) What is that reward? It is God Himself and eternal life in Him.

Jesus Christ is in the exact center of all God does, yesterday, today, and forever. Universalism removes Jesus Christ from the center and relegates Him to the sidelines. What Jesus did in the past was absolutely necessary, says the Universalist, but that is all finished now. We don’t need Jesus anymore. Salvation is now automatic for everyone. Men don’t have to believe in Jesus. They don’t have to love Him. They don’t even have to like Him. Everyone receives salvation, even Judas Iscariot, according to Universalism.
Hint—whenever Jesus Christ is not the centerpiece of a particular teaching, that teaching is not of God.

Under the doctrine of Universalism, the Gospel becomes an old-fashioned, outdated message. It was necessary for the first century, of course, but not for today. The all-inclusive work of Jesus Christ saves all of humanity forever. Who needs Jesus or the Gospel? All mankind reaps eternal life automatically. Why bother preaching the Gospel when all men become God’s children regardless of what they believe? (This contradicts the Bible that calls the Good News the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6.)

Universalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of God’s plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Universalism as not understanding the fullness of God’s “grace.” God’s true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

One last thought in closing. In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too. One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Universalism?

The cults of universalism are particularly guilty of using biblical
words with non-biblical definitions. This is absolutely necessary
amongst them in order to maintain some sort of internal consistency of theology. It says that all mankind, even those who have openly rejected Jesus, those who have willingly committed horrible crimes and died without repentance, and without the covering of Christ’s blood, will enjoy a future with God. This belief is based upon the idea that God’s love is so infinitely great, that His grace in Christ is so awesome, that everyone will be saved. This simply is not true.

The danger of universalism is that it to can give someone a false
sense of security about their eternal destiny. It can remove the
need of accountability. It can remove the fear of judgment. It does
not require repentance. A person who adopts universalism can easily conclude that if he is going to be saved no matter what he does, then why be concerned about repentance or accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior? This potential error is most dangerous. Especially because if universalism is not true, then the false sense of security it has given to those who have not trusted in Christ, will
lead them to damnation. This is a very serious danger. Of course, simply because it is possible that people will become lax in accepting Christ if they adopt universalism, it does not mean
this is what will happen. Nor does it mean that all Universalists
think they can go out and sin willfully. On the contrary, most
Universalists are very moral. But, there is the inherent danger in
universalism that reduces the need for repentance and salvation.
This is a great risk. Eternity is a long time to be wrong and hell
is a terrible place to be forever.

“For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of
the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a
certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire
which will consume the adversaries” (NASB).

If Paul meant that (ALL were made alive in Christ the way this cult puts it, he would not have wrote the above. There is a danger in the Universalist position.

Are you even reading anything we are presenting to you individually when we say, "Hidden Manna, this is...", or are you just asking rhetorical questions, saying rhetorical things, and ignoring those who have already addressed almost everything you just presented earlier?

It just looks like you are writing a sermon, not having a conversation concerning it. A conversation to yourself, without regard to the people around you who have already demonstrated and explained your objections, you need to now object to their objections. You don't seem to be doing that or having a conversation about it. :S
 
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It would appear that you do not understand what "caught in a trangression" means.

hmmm denying Christ is not a transgression? i think your credibility is officially gone.

You would not know justice if it hit you over the head apparently. Read the sermon on the mount sometime. Nothing could possibly be more just than to be treated exactly as you have treated others, judged the way you have judged others, ounished as you have punished others. Nothing could possibly be more unjust than the levy of a penalty that is 10 gazillion times more severe than the crime(s) then at the same time granting pardon to other guilty of crimes all based on what doctorines they believe. It is the most ridiculous thing that has ever been taught and yet there are millions of people going down this broad road of destruction totally duped by these fear tatics, it is a sad thing.

i see you are completely fooled by Satan now. he has convinced you that hell doesn't exist because it is unfair. your definition of fair requires God to forsake His holiness and allow Himself to be present with someone who denied Him throughout his life. not a God, sounds more like something man-made.

So now you are impling that you have the holy spirit and I do not I see.. come down off your high horse dude.

i see you ignored the fact that i pointed out that not all things are explicitely mentioned in Scripture. very typical of you throughout this thread. ignore the factual exegesis and go after perceived slights to yourself. let's stop focusing on you and start focusing on Scripture.

No you haven't succesfully rebutted anything,

Show me the scripture that shows how Gods wrath is part of God that can be seperate from God who is love. Is he now a quadrinity?

do you understand the difference between a person of the Godhead and an attribute of God the Father? Once you do you wil come to the conclusion that there is no quadrinity inferred.

The bible also tells us that God will be all in all.

there you go paraphrasing again. can you please post the verse(s) you refer to so i can see the intended context. I know the context of your paraphrasing and it is to paint a picture for universalism. i want to understand the context as it was written by the author.

It does not tell us that part of God will be seperated to punish sinners and that part of God will be seperated to reward believers. It says that all things will be under him and he will be all in all. Your seperation, division whatever doctorine is not scriptural and results in nonsense.

i answered this previously so consider it closed.

Of course not you heard it from someone else, but what you did not do is read it in scripture because it does not appear in scripture.

neither is the Trinity, your point is? so far you haven't even quoted verses, much less done a thorough exegesis. you do paraphrase well though.


I did not say what you claim I claim, and you have no clue as to my status with God.

i do know you are preaching a false gospel. i leave it to God to deal with that. knowing my God, He wil do everything he can to remove the scabs from your eyes.
 
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Wow!

You really have no idea what your talking about do you?

do you really think God's word is only a one shot deal limited to the time and place where He said it?

I desire mercy not sacrifice only applies to the pharisee's?

Wow!

that's all I can say.


God's word must be interpreted as the time and place. it is called context. if not then, an eye for an eye would still be ok for Christians. i see you ignored the fact that God was speaking to imperfect humans in that verse. Christ was perfect and, as such, there was no vanity in the sacrifice. hence the verse is a moot point because it would never apply to him. until you want to use the common rules for exegesis please don't bother responding.
 
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Of course I'm clinging to God's perfect love. God is Love!

You seem to have the idea that once a person dies, they can no longer approach God through Jesus. That's a very worldly way of looking at it, and may I add, a very God Limiting way of looking at it.

And by comparison, your interpretation doesn't "satisfy" the God is Love attribute. How do you reconcile that with your spirit?

Jesus is the light that lights in ALL men. Not all men have recognized that fact, but they will. We are assured of that.

you repeat the same old tired mantra of universalism. all the while, not seeing your definition of love is an abomination. Love does not allow sin to continue. God clearly says, through Paul, that all men have given enough information from God to accept Christ's sacrifice.

if you want to convice me then use verses for every point you believe in. universalism paraphrasing is not going to do it and shows a lack of conviction.
 
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universalism paraphrasing is not going to do it and shows a lack of conviction.

Silentreader, all I have been seeing is your opinions of what is right and wrong. You have not demonstrated it at all. You just continue saying, "That is wrong." etc. Where is your support, why do you continue to use presuppositions and not arguments to make your position? To Soul Searcher, Homebound, Martymonster, and myself, you continue to say, "That is not what it says...", etc. but you are without substance or propositional argument to uphold what, why and how you believe it not to be true. You are new at this aren't you? You believe something but unable to come up with support and so all you have is your opinion on what it should say, instead of taking Scripture as what it does say or actually taking to task the propositional argument to it's full extent to rebuttle it. You aren't talking to a layman when you are discussing things, I am an apologetist for the last 10 years in the ministry, doing what you think you are trying to do.
 
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hmmm denying Christ is not a transgression? i think your credibility is officially gone.
As I said it appears that you do not know what caught in a transgression means. It means when one is caught in a transgression of the law. Someone is stealing, harming another person, bearing false witness ect.

Jesus did say whoever denies me before men I will deny before the father, this however is not a transgression of the law and it is totally beside the point as no one here is doing that anyway. Yet the fact remains that nowhere does it say that our salvation is limited to this life only.

i see you are completely fooled by Satan now.
You see nothing, and I grow tired of your insults.

he has convinced you that hell doesn't exist because it is unfair. your definition of fair requires God to forsake His holiness and allow Himself to be present with someone who denied Him throughout his life. not a God, sounds more like something man-made.
You do not have a clue what the nature of God is do you.

i see you ignored the fact that i pointed out that not all things are explicitely mentioned in Scripture. very typical of you throughout this thread. ignore the factual exegesis and go after perceived slights to yourself. let's stop focusing on you and start focusing on Scripture.
I di dnot ignore it. I know that much of what you have said is not in scripture it comes from traditions of men, dogma, lies, half truths and false doctorine. On the other hand what I have said is in scripture which you ignore in favor of your stuff that is not in scripture.

do you understand the difference between a person of the Godhead and an attribute of God the Father? Once you do you wil come to the conclusion that there is no quadrinity inferred.
I understand that your concept is seriously flawed.

there you go paraphrasing again. can you please post the verse(s) you refer to so i can see the intended context. I know the context of your paraphrasing and it is to paint a picture for universalism. i want to understand the context as it was written by the author.
I'm sorry that you do not know your scriptures well enough to know what I am talking about wihtout me taking the time to look up and quote the scriptures.

i answered this previously so consider it closed.
Your answer is gibberish.

neither is the Trinity, your point is?
That's right the trinity is not in scripture, it is a word that men came up with to passify those who had different beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus and the holy spirit. That does not however mean that you can constantly spout stuff that is not in scripture and present it as though it were. You need to drop the dogma and focus of what scripture really says.

so far you haven't even quoted verses, much less done a thorough exegesis.
That's not true I did give you some verses earlier when you asked for them. First I told you where they could be found then I actually quoted them. You proceed to ignore them completely. I find it unlikely that you would not know where these scriptures are, unless of course you just don't know the bible very well, If however you want scriptures for whatever I have said ask and ye shall receive. The thing is that sometimes when I am posting, I do not go look up verses, I know these very well and I either quote or paraphrase from memory, so far you are the only one who has saw that as a problem.

you do paraphrase well though.
Thank you.

Now for the verses which you previously ignored which show that God is not willing that any should perish and wills that all be saved.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Let me ask you a few questions concerning your doctorine.

What happens to the nonbeliever who forgives men thier trespasses?
What happens to the merciful nonbeliever?

What happens to the believer who does not forgive men thier trespasses?
What happens to the believer who is not merciful?


i do know you are preaching a false gospel. i leave it to God to deal with that.
So far I have not hear one word of Gospel from your keyboard. Just dogma. The gospel is the good news of the kingdom of God, not hellfire threats.

knowing my God, He wil do everything he can to remove the scabs from your eyes.
He did so many years ago, hoepfully someday soon he will do the same for you.
 
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you repeat the same old tired mantra of universalism. all the while, not seeing your definition of love is an abomination. Love does not allow sin to continue. God clearly says, through Paul, that all men have given enough information from God to accept Christ's sacrifice.

if you want to convice me then use verses for every point you believe in. universalism paraphrasing is not going to do it and shows a lack of conviction.
"Love does not allow sin to continue. God clearly says, through Paul, that all men have given enough information from God to accept Christ's sacrifice."

First of all, are you saying that God does not allow sin to continue? That your interpretation of God's love ends sin?
LOOK AROUND YOU! And not just in your own back yard. I say that God's perfect love endures regardless of the sin.

As for "all men given enough information from God to accept Christs sacrifice" What does that mean to you? Do you just accept this scripture to mean that no one has an excuse for not accepting Christ's sacrifice? Or do you believe that God has revealed (and continues to reveal) to EVERYONE that Jesus died for our sins?
 
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God's word must be interpreted as the time and place. it is called context. if not then, an eye for an eye would still be ok for Christians. i see you ignored the fact that God was speaking to imperfect humans in that verse. Christ was perfect and, as such, there was no vanity in the sacrifice. hence the verse is a moot point because it would never apply to him. until you want to use the common rules for exegesis please don't bother responding.
Perhaps you should go and look up some of the stuff that the apostles quoted.

Way out of context!


context is a stupid human idea, not one found in the bible at all.
 
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The power for salvation always comes from God. He alone is able. Consider these verses. “He (Jesus Christ) came unto His own, and His own received him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:11-13) Notice, please, that the power to become the sons of God (salvation) was to those that received Him.

Notice, also, that man cannot bring salvation to anyone, including himself, for it’s not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Who can receive salvation without God? No one!

The only verse one really needs to refute Universalism is John 3:16. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” This verse is telling us the same truth we saw in the first chapter of John. Here it uses the words believes in Him rather than received Him, but it is the same truth.

Our New Testament is replete with examples, but let this account with the Philippian jailer be adequate. “And he brought them out and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ So they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (Acts 16:30-31) What do we understand from these examples? Clearly, believing in Jesus Christ is necessary for our salvation.

The Universalist loves to use verses that appear to prove his point. Here’s an example: “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Jesus was, indeed, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but that does not mean everyone receives Him or believes in Him. Hebrews states it most clearly. “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6) What is that reward? It is God Himself and eternal life in Him.

Jesus Christ is in the exact center of all God does, yesterday, today, and forever. Universalism removes Jesus Christ from the center and relegates Him to the sidelines. What Jesus did in the past was absolutely necessary, says the Universalist, but that is all finished now. We don’t need Jesus anymore. Salvation is now automatic for everyone. Men don’t have to believe in Jesus. They don’t have to love Him. They don’t even have to like Him. Everyone receives salvation, even Judas Iscariot, according to Universalism.
Hint—whenever Jesus Christ is not the centerpiece of a particular teaching, that teaching is not of God.

Under the doctrine of Universalism, the Gospel becomes an old-fashioned, outdated message. It was necessary for the first century, of course, but not for today. The all-inclusive work of Jesus Christ saves all of humanity forever. Who needs Jesus or the Gospel? All mankind reaps eternal life automatically. Why bother preaching the Gospel when all men become God’s children regardless of what they believe? (This contradicts the Bible that calls the Good News the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6.)

Universalism is unbiblical. It leaves the way of truth and places Jesus Christ on the periphery of God’s plan of redemption. It declares repentance out of date, the born-again experience unnecessary, and accuses those who criticize Universalism as not understanding the fullness of God’s “grace.” God’s true grace is in His Son, Jesus Christ. He saves you as an individual. Salvation is an intimate, personal experience with the Lord. It is not an impersonal, universal principle for all mankind.

One last thought in closing. In the world today many saints witness for Jesus Christ at the risk of their freedom, their well being, and their very lives. One organization that reports on these activities is The Voice of the Martyrs.

These faithful saints live in repressive regimes. The powers that be hate the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ. It takes great courage and Holy Spirit power to enable these children of God to preach and teach the hope of salvation in Christ.

Many go to prison. Many suffer disfigurement, and many die. They think it is worth it for the privilege of telling the lost about Jesus Christ and His salvation. They believe God enables them to infiltrate the darkness. We believe He does, too. One wonders what these courageous saints would say to the teachers of the false doctrine of Universalism?

Cut and paste from http://www.preterist.org/refutingerror.asp

The universalist are particularly guilty of using biblical
words with non-biblical definitions. This is absolutely necessary
amongst them in order to maintain some sort of internal consistency of theology. It says that all mankind, even those who have openly rejected Jesus, those who have willingly committed horrible crimes and died without repentance, and without the covering of Christ’s blood, will enjoy a future with God. This belief is based upon the idea that God’s love is so infinitely great, that His grace in Christ is so awesome, that everyone will be saved. This simply is not true.

The danger of universalism is that it to can give someone a false
sense of security about their eternal destiny. It can remove the
need of accountability. It can remove the fear of judgment. It does
not require repentance. A person who adopts universalism can easily conclude that if he is going to be saved no matter what he does, then why be concerned about repentance or accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior? This potential error is most dangerous. Especially because if universalism is not true, then the false sense of security it has given to those who have not trusted in Christ, will
lead them to damnation. This is a very serious danger. Of course, simply because it is possible that people will become lax in accepting Christ if they adopt universalism, it does not mean
this is what will happen. Nor does it mean that all Universalists
think they can go out and sin willfully. On the contrary, most
Universalists are very moral. But, there is the inherent danger in
universalism that reduces the need for repentance and salvation.
This is a great risk. Eternity is a long time to be wrong and hell
is a terrible place to be forever.

Cut and paste from http://www.carm.org/uni/dangerunie.htm

Perhaps we can have a discussion with you and not other web sites.
 
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i see you ignored the fact that i pointed out that not all things are explicitely mentioned in Scripture. very typical of you throughout this thread. ignore the factual exegesis and go after perceived slights to yourself. let's stop focusing on you and start focusing on Scripture.

I find it Ironic, the topic of this thread is "Scriptures that say not all are saved"

But then not one single one is posted. :scratch:


there you go paraphrasing again. can you please post the verse(s) you refer to so i can see the intended context. I know the context of your paraphrasing and it is to paint a picture for universalism. i want to understand the context as it was written by the author.

(1Co 15:28 KJV) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

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Scriptures that say not all are saved

Universalists believe all people will be saved. They often complain against the contrary teaching that people go to hell by posing questions such as
"Do you really believe that God is going to lose most of mankind in hell and that only a few are going to be saved?"
"If most go to hell, doesn't that mean that Satan wins since God only gets a few compared to the majority who are lost?"

Of course, these kinds of questions are the wrong ones to ask. What they are doing is using emotionalism to sway someone's beliefs. What they should be asking are questions like these:
"What does the Bible teach about damnation?"
"Does the Bible tell us if most will be lost or saved?"
"Does it tell us that all will be saved?"

The means to good biblical theology is to examine the whole of scriptures without bias so that proper and correct doctrines can be determined. Of course, no one is without bias. But, that does not mean that we should give up trying to be objective. We must endeavor to let God's word lead us rather than our emotionalism and personal preferences make decisions for us, especially about doctrine. At least, that should be the goal.
What matters is what God has revealed in His word. So, are there scriptures in the Bible that plainly state that not all are saved? Yes, there are.
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 "For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it," (Matt. 7:13-14 ).
"For many are called, but few are chosen, "(Matt. 22:14 ).
"And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved? " And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 "Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'" (Luke 13:22-27 ).
"And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28 for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly," (Rom. 9:27 ).

These verses are plain and clear. Not all are saved; in fact, few are. Whether or not we think this makes God a failure, or that it makes us sad, or upsets us, isn't really that important. If the Bible says it, that settles it. What is left is to make adjustments in our understanding and feelings in order to bring more in line with what God has stated.
After all, we do not know the mind of God. His ways are higher than our ways. I prefer to accept what it says than feel my way through theology.


Cut and paste from CARM.

Did you come here to actually have a discussion or just want people to read other websites?


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The unforgivable sin and the age to come


Universalism teaches that all people will eventually be saved through the atoning work of Christ. Proponents of universalism must, therefore, maintain that there is no unforgivable sin. For if there were, then their theory that all people will be saved would be proven wrong.

Jesus said there was a sin that would not be forgiven in "this age or the age to come," Matt. 12:32:

"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."

A parallel passage is found in Luke 12:10. Jesus said,

"And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him."

Jesus stated, in Matt. 12:32, that there is a sin that is not forgivable either in "this age or the age to come." In Luke 12:10, He says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven at all.

The universalist qualifies their belief by stating that "the age to come" is a future age which will terminate. Therefore, they conclude that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will be forgiven after the end of "the age to come." Therefore, when they say read Jesus' words in Luke 12:10, instead of them concluding that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven, they conclude it will.

The important question then becomes "What is meant by 'this age and the age to come'?" Is Jesus dividing time into two periods? Are there only two ages or are there more than two?

Does either or both of these ages end?

I believe that the Jesus divided time into two ages and that all other ages mentioned in scripture fall within these two over-arching categories. Furthermore, "this age" is the time period we are in now, and "the age to come" is that future time when the Lord returns and eternity begins. Therefore, "the age to come" is without end.

How many ages are there?

" . . . and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come" (Eph. 1:20b-21).

This verse speaks about Jesus being seated at the Father's right hand and that He (Jesus) is above all rule and authority in this age and the age to come. Jesus' dominion will never end. Therefore, the age to come, singular, will not end either. This is why God the Father says of the Son, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever," (Heb. 1:8). Also, ". . . so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen," (1 Pet. 4:11).

Let's take a look at what the Bible says about "This Age and the Age to Come."

This Age

The Age to Come
will receive 100 times as much as what we lose (Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30).
People are given in marriage (Luke 20:34).
The wisdom of this world is the wisdom of this age
(1 Cor. 1:20).
The rulers of this age are coming to nothing (1 Cor. 2:6).
Satan is the god of this age (2 Cor. 4:4).
Jesus rescued us from the present evil age (Gal. 1:4).
The end of this age occurs at the return of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:23-24).
The tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. 13:39).
We will receive eternal life (Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30).
We do not marry, (Luke 20:35).


Note that in the Greek, the phrase "the age to come" is always in the singular. It is speaking of a singular age to come where we will have eternal life.

As you can see, "this age" is obviously about the present time period because in it we have marriage, rulers, evil, etc. In the age to come, however, we receive eternal life and no marriage occurs. The future reference of receiving eternal life does not mean that we do not posses it now. 1 John 5:13, says we do. Rather, Jesus is speaking of the completion of our redemption, which includes our bodies as well. "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body," (1 Cor. 15:42). In the age to come, we enter into eternity because it is when we are resurrected. This happens at the return of Christ.

Eph. 2:5-7

There is one verse the New Testament that mentions ages in a future sense. The phrase is "ages to come" and it only occurs in Eph. 2:7

"even when we were dead in our transgressions, [He] made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus."

This statement is not saying that there are future ages, plural, which are not defined in scripture, anyway. Rather, it is a declaration that in the future state, the Christians will enjoy the "surpassing riches of His grace" -- in the totality of the future. The phrase "ages to come" is merely an expression.

This type of usage of "ages" to describe a very long time is also seen in Romans 16:25, "Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past," In Greek, "long ages past" is "cronos aioniois," which is literally "time eternal(s)". This phrase is not saying that there are literally eternal past "ages," but that in long times past, the mystery was hidden. Other verses with the same usage of ages past are 1 Cor. 2:7; 10:11; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:26; Titus 1:2; and Heb. 9:26.

We can see from the table above, that all the ages past are under the umbrella of "this age" in which we have evil, suffering, etc.

The End of This Age

It is important to understand when "this age" ends because it will effect our understanding of the nature of "the age to come" and further clarify that the age to come is without end.

I have compiled a chart below to make this easier to see. The left column contains the events (resurrection, rapture, condemnation, etc.). To the right are the phrases used in the Bible to describe the event. With them are the verse locations.

The Event
Phrase and location describing when the event occurs

End of this Age
The Day of the Lord
Last Day
Last Trumpet

Resurrection of the dead
John 6:39,40,
44, 54;
11:24;
1 Cor. 15:52;
1 Thess. 4:16

Harvest/Rapture
(thief in the night)
Matt. 13:39
1 Thess. 4:16-5:2


Gathering of elect
Matt. 24:3,31
1 Thess. 5:2



Condemnation
1 Cor. 1:8
John 12:48


Wicked burned with fire
Matt. 13:40; 49-50


Destruction and Salvation
1 Cor. 5:5

Sun to darkness, moon to blood
Acts 2:20


New heavens and New Earth
2 Pet. 3:10

From the above chart you can see that all the events happen at the same time. The Resurrection occurs on the Last day (John 6:39-40), which is also the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:52). The resurrection is just before the rapture (1 Thess. 4:16-5:2) which occurs on the Day of the Lord (1 Thess. 5:2) when Jesus returns (1 Thess. 4:16-5:2).

It is with/after Jesus' return, which is simultaneous with the rapture, the harvest, etc, that we receive our resurrected bodies and are forever with the Lord. It is then, the "age to come." This age will not end.

It is in "the age to come" that blasphemy is not forgiven. In other words, it isn't ever forgiven.

Heb. 6:6 and Heb. 10:26

There are two other verses, which also mention a unforgivable sins.

"For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame," (Heb. 6:4-6)

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving theknowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries," (Heb. 10:26-27).

In the case of Heb. 6:6, repentance is an impossibility with those who have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and then have fallen away. If this repentance is impossible, then so is forgiveness.

Likewise, in Heb. 10:26, "if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

The universalist’s want to have the sacrifice of Jesus cover, pay for, and remove the penalty of all people's sins who have ever lived. But, according to this verse, there is a point when the sacrifice of Jesus is no longer available to a person.

Conclusion

Therefore, the teaching that everyone will eventually be saved cannot be true. This age and the to come are two over-arching categories that divide human existence. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in the age to come.

At the end of this age, "the age to come" begins and it has no end.
Heb. 6:6 and Heb. 10:26 also show us that there are conditions of non-forgiveness.

Universalism is not true.

Another CARM cut and paste.

Is your name Matt Slick?

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Dear Hidden Manna,

Your original post is right on. Well done.


Many who believe in the once saved, alway saved doctrine will be surprised come the day of reconing. This false teaching is going to claim many souls to death and hell. It is a false sense of security.
 
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