statuettes.... Error?!?

[FrauleinElsa]

Just to place this forward not for a flame war but for some understand of Talmudic based Traditional Rabbinical Law. Mary would NEVER have taught Yeshua! Mary wouldn't have even HAD a piece of scripture in her hand EVER!

Women were FORBIDDEN from ever touching the Scripture.

Women did not teach their male children scripture, that was the job of the Father and the Rabbis. Women did not handle scripture for fear they might be unclean. Women were not taught the laws other than the pertain mitzvot that applied to them.

Really? That's interesting. I had no idea that was the case. Thanks for posting this!

 

[a_ntv]

I remind you all that to place attenction on Mary means (for us) to place the attenction on the Incarnation.

In fact many time s we shall choose which event to focus more: many use the cross as focal point.
To choose Mary as image means to focus on the Incanation.

 

[Iollain]

I think Mary instructing Jesus in the Scriptures is bogus because the Bible says He learned everything from the Father........ya'll really think Jesus was speaking in the Temple at 12 the things taught to Him by Mary?

It just does not make sence to have this statue at all, as if.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Really? That's interesting. I had no idea that was the case. Thanks for posting this!

I think what is being missed here is that the statue is a symbolic representation, not a literal one. It does not mean that Mary taught Jesus from scriptures.

It means Mary was his teacher in early childhood. . .as all mothers are. . .

Are people really going to take the position that Mary would not have taught Jesus the commandments of God as they applied to him as child as all other mothers would?

Are people really going to suggest that Mary, as his mother, would not have taught him what all mother's teach? The father was not there all day long to teach right from wrong . . . the mother was.


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[icedtea]

I don't need a statue to worship Jesus.
And if I knew my son was the Messiah, I would know He didn't need to be taught scripture.

 

[thereselittleflower]

HD, he was made in all ways, except sin, like us.


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[FrauleinElsa]

I remind you all that to place attenction on Mary means (for us) to place the attenction on the Incarnation.

In fact many time s we shall choose which event to focus more: many use the cross as focal point.
To choose Mary as image means to focus on the Incanation.

As a Protestant (and for the record I've requested a faith icon change) and a non Catholic, I am not familiar with any of that. As I'm sure you know. I just have a different way of remembering the Incarnation. For me, I listen to Christmas music. Yes, Christmas music. But that's my thing. That's how I think of the Incarnation.

 

[Iollain]

I think what is being missed here is that the statue is a symbolic representation, not a literal one. It does not mean that Mary taught Jesus from scriptures.

It means Mary was his teacher in early childhood. . .as all mothers are. . .

Are people really going to take the position that Mary would not have taught Jesus the commandments of God as they applied to him as child as all other mothers would?

Are people really going to suggest that Mary, as his mother, would not have taught him what all mother's teach? The father was not there all day long to teach right from wrong . . . the mother was.


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Yes the Father was there and Jesus is the Word It's Self, you really think Jesus was taught of man?

 

[thereselittleflower]

Yes the Father was there and Jesus is the Word It's Self, you really think Jesus was taught of man?

Was he not made in all ways like us, except sin?

Why didn't Jesus, as Son of Man, know the day and hour of the 2nd coming?


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[icedtea]

No, because He was God.
And He didn't know while on earth, the day or hour because the father didn't want Him to know.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Was he not made in all ways like us, except sin?

Why didn't Jesus, as Son of Man, know the day and hour of the 2nd coming?


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It's just an example of the ancient Jewish weddings. Back then the bride and groom would "marry" in a sense. Then the groom would go and prepare a place for them (sound familiar?). The father (of the groom) would be in charge of when the house would be completed, because in the groom's haste and eagerness to retrieve his beloved bride, he might make errors and rush the job of preparing a proper home. So the groom would not know when it would be time to get his bride. Only after the contstruction of their home was completed would the real marriage ceremony take place. Like what the Bible talks about after the "Rapture", the marriage feast of the Lamb. I think it was an example, a teaching tool for the Jews of the day to better understand the Second Coming who would have been familiar with this custom.

F.E.

 

[icedtea]

I have heard that also!

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I have heard that also!

 

[Tyndale]

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments."

 

[thereselittleflower]

Tyndale . .graven images were images of wood, stone or metal that were made to be a god itself . . . and then it was worshipped as if that image, being a god, could answer prayers and that image, being a god, could be appeased. . .

Sorry . . but this verse doesn't apply to statues or images in general . . Solomon's Temple was full of images of things in and on the earth and in heaven . . .


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[RccWarrior]

Ha! no, its just me. All dolls freak me out. I once spent the night at a friends who had this doll colelction. When she came into the room next morning she started laughing as I had turned all the dolls to face the wall instead of me!

Oh, that is really funny!!

 

[Tyndale]

Sorry . . but this verse doesn't apply to statues or images in general .

How do you come to that conclusion? I see Anglicans bowing down to wooden crosses and RC's bowing down to Statues all the time

 

[thereselittleflower]

How do you come to that conclusion? I see Anglicans bowing down to wooden crosses and RC's bowing down to Statues all the time

Tyndale .. didn't I just get through explaining?

Tyndale . .graven images were images of wood, stone or metal that were made to be a god itself . . . and then it was worshipped as if that image, being a god, could answer prayers and that image, being a god, could be appeased. . .

Sorry . . but this verse doesn't apply to statues or images in general . . Solomon's Temple was full of images of things in and on the earth and in heaven . . . ​

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[thereselittleflower]

How do you come to that conclusion? I see Anglicans bowing down to wooden crosses and RC's bowing down to Statues all the time

A graven image is an idol . . these are physical objects that are believed by those who use them to be actual gods themselves . .

I don't see Catholics and Anglicans bowing down to objects they believe to be actually gods . . . .

If the object is not actually a god, then it is not an idol, also known as graven image.



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[FrauleinElsa]

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments."

I was thinking of that scripture myself too. I know that others will disagree with me and your perfectly free to, but I believe this is what the scripture was referring to. To me, it means any graven image made with hands that you honor, look to, or whatever. That's my personal feelings on it.