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Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?

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MikeMcK

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Well that is what I do....but I don't say and now gay person if you sleep with one more person you are going to hell....do you?

If we've established that the person is living a lifestyle of willful rebellion toward God, then yes, I have to tell him that he's going to Hell if he doesn't repent.

If I don't, then I'm not being loving, I'm being selfish.
 
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You know I got to say this and then I think I am done here....I wonder if either of you have ever been convicted of your own sins by the Holy Spirit...if you have ever known anyone who has been in the lifestyle and see God work in their life....have you ever spoken to healed gays and see what methods worked best with them and what tortured and drove them further from God what caused them to have nervous breakdowns drove them to seek peace and only to find their way back because God loved these people you talk so vehemently about not understanding how they came to their lifestyle or what they went through ever trying to find their way to God and some still searching........I have to all of these things and what you so called Christians think you are doing in love rehashing and trying to expose and chastise is so harmful and it hurts my heart and makes me want to cry for the pain you are inflicting on so many here.
I thank God He is not like those who are so blind that they cannot see the damage of these continuing conversations........I will pray for all of you not because I judge you or hate you or want to condemn or convict you but because I truly understand.....some things you never will or at least at this point in your lives and I hope one day God will open your eyes to see really see the scriptures and His desires through His eyes.
Be blessed friends you will be in my daily prayers.
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Gabby you have responded with grace and patience. You are a wonderful woman of God and you are someone God can USE because you have a gentle spirit about you. You are right, beating someone over the head with the bible will only give them a headache and make them want to avoid contact of that sort again. God bless you sweet sis.:hug: :hug: :hug:

From what I see here it appears most of you care more about picking the sin apart and being right... than saving the sinner with love....that is very sad.

Jesus loved sinners. That's why they left all behind to follow Him. If He had treated people with anything less than love and compassion nobody would have followed Him. Jesus hated the sin but He LOVED the sinner and still does.
 
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Gabs, just ignore. He is baiting you. If you follow any of his threads, he does this.

Still waiting on those examples.

He has yet to apolgize to me for the 'dunghead' comment.

Wait a second, are you telling me that you want an apology for saying that I would not call you names like "dunghead"???

Does this mean that you want to be called "dunghead"?
 
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I wasn't born with sin. I don't sin. I'm a good person.

Gabby you have responded with grace and patience. You are a wonderful woman of God and you are someone God can USE because you have a gentle spirit about you. You are right, beating someone over the head with the bible will only give them a headache and make them want to avoid contact of that sort again. God bless you sweet sis.:hug: :hug: :hug:



Jesus loved sinners. That's why they left all behind to follow Him. If He had treated people with anything less than love and compassion nobody would have followed Him. Jesus hated the sin but He LOVED the sinner and still does.

Thank you sis I too have said this but not everyone seems to hear it
 
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I don't believe you've put me on ignore. If you had, then you would not be commenting on my posts. I may be on ignore, but the fact remains that you cannot give one example of my ever having done the things you say I have and I have confidence in the people on CF that they will read my posts to you and see for themselves that you're accusations against me are false.
 
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OK here we go so make your point.


The following excerpts from Father Paul's Homilies explores the many subtleties of this Greek word.

Metanoia, a Greek word meaning a change of mind. A radical revision and transformation of our whole mental process. That change of mind is something whereby God takes center place in our consciousness, in our awareness, and in our minds.

Metanoia means a new mind. About what? About who we are. ...If tonight you're hearing with your heart, it's time for metanoia. It's time for a new mind about yourself and about life.

Metanoia is the idea of the need for conversion. And this is then recognizing that we don't know, truthfully don't know, God and truthfully don't feel ourselves as God intends us to.

We really need metanoia, which is allowing the grace of God to enter into our lives and teach us how to see ourselves and how to come to the true self.

When the authors wrote in Greek about what Jesus really said, they all agree that he preached metanoia. ...one idea is conversion or transformation. Change of heart and, literally, change of mind. "The kingdom of God is at hand," he says, meaning it's at arm's length. But in order for you to grasp it, you have to be able to undergo something like this: a conversion and transformation and change of heart and mind

Metanoia is a new-minded way of looking at life.

And, in the broader sense, contrition involves a change of mind. And that is really what is meant by the Greek word, "metanoia," whereby we start thinking anew about everything. So to bring our thoughts into a godly, godlike form, that's part of contrition; that's part of metanoia. So I need to really find out what God really is and who God is and what God wants for me.

He preached the need for conversion. Now conversion in Greek is "metanioa." And what is "metanoia"? Unfortunately, in English there's not one word that translates it very well. We could say repentance, but that doesn't catch the meaning of "metanoia." "Metanoia" literally means "beyond the mind." So it's an idea of stretching or pushing beyond the boundaries with which we normally think and feel. Now when we push beyond the boundaries what we are doing is we are allowing God really to take an active role in our formation.

Repentance, metanoia in Greek, really refers to a complete change in perspective, a change in goal, a change in life itself, really!

It means new mindedness, new change of mind and change of heart in the Hebrew sense of heart---how you think. And that means letting go of rigidities because God has to teach us all new about God. And what we have to learn basically is how trustworthy God is, and how in every single situation, no matter what it is, no matter how painful, God is to be trusted. God is always present. So God is always inviting us into more life, and so to be questioning our own ways and our own habits is a good thing--and letting go of rigidity.

Thus his entire mission was begun by announcing the need for metanoia, sometimes translated "repentance." But repentance does not mean simply regretting some action or some word. Repentance means completely turning around one's life and one's being.

A change, a profound change, of mind and even character. In the Bible, in the New Testament, this change is called "metanoia," often translated repentance. But it's not a backward-looking glance of regret; it's a forward-looking vision of hope.

Metanoia is a new openness to what is truly objective, beyond ourselves, our view of life, how we put the data together.

Remorse
There is another Greek word, metamelomai, which means to have remorse or regret.
Bullinger2 says metamelomai means, "to rue, regret; to have dissatisfaction with one's self for what one has done, to change or alter one's purpose, have anxiety consequent on a past transaction; to have pain of mind, rather than change of mind; and change of purpose, rather than change of heart."
Kittel3 says, "Metanoya (repentance) means a change of heart either generally or in respect of a specific sin, whereas metamelomai means `to experience remorse.' Metanoya implies that one has later arrived at a different view of something, metamelomai that one has a different feeling about it."
"Remorse does not have to be pleasing to God. It can be simply a change in mood. It is often the natural result of imprudent and unjust action. In remorse (metamelomai) a man sees the bitter end of sin, in repentance (metanoya) he breaks free from it."
"Remorse comes of itself at the end of a sinful and foolish way. But a man is called to repentance by the one who brings the divine Word."
So, repentance has to do mostly with your thinking and therefore your actions -- not your feelings.
Repentance is associated with renewing the mind (Romans 12:2). When you know the truth -- truth makes you free as you act on it (John 8:32). ___________________________________
 
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So your point is this if you accept God into your life you can't sin and be content or feel saved......but Gay people who accept Christ go through a deep rooted struggle sometimes for years and years but the ones who really accept Christ and listen carefully my brother the ones who really accept Christ walk with this conviction in their heart and fight it and cry over it and run from it but it follows them and evetually they come to God broken and give up their lives for Him but dear sweet brother you can't change them by telling them they are going to Hell only God's love can make them feel this sacrifice is worth it....believe me brother it is a battle you never want to go through please hear what I am saying and open your eyes with love.
 
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Actually, you did. As you very well know, "Mikey" is not my name, any more than "Dungforbrains" is yours.

And here we see that I did not call you "dunghead", but explained to you that I would not call you "dungforbrains" because it is not your name and it is disrespectful.
 
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OK here we go so make your point.


The following excerpts from Father Paul's Homilies explores the many subtleties of this Greek word.

So then, you don't. You have to go and dig up a copy and paste from a Roman Catholic priest. If you don't know, then just say, "I don't know".

Are you Roman Catholic?
 
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And here we see that I did not call you "dunghead", but explained to you that I would not call you "dungforbrains" because it is not your name and it is disrespectful.
Mikey...give it up. I am SO tired of you. Mikey is a from of Mike..I know lots of them. AND it isn't derogatory as w what YOU said. GIVE me a break.
 
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So your point is this if you accept God into your life you can't sin and be content or feel saved......but Gay people who accept Christ go through a deep rooted struggle sometimes for years and years but the ones who really accept Christ and listen carefully my brother the ones who really accept Christ walk with this conviction in their heart and fight it and cry over it and run from it but it follows them and evetually they come to God broken and give up their lives for Him but dear sweet brother you can't change them by telling them they are going to Hell only God's love can make them feel this sacrifice is worth it....believe me brother it is a battle you never want to go through

You're right. Homosexuals are the only people who have to deal with sin and the rest of us will never know what it's like to struggle with a besetting sin.

please hear what I am saying and open your eyes with love.

I do love them. That's why I share the Gospel with them.
 
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