Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?

[Splayd]

The OT ceremonial requirements, are no longer binding, but the moral requirements.

I keep hearing that. Can someone show me in scripture where the laws are seperated into these two categories?

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I keep hearing that. Can someone show me in scripture where the laws are seperated into these two categories?

it only is when people don't want to look at the fact God said homosexuality..yes along with seafood etc. is an abomination. SO sad really. I think God said what He meant, and meant what He said.

 

[Charles YTK]

Well I think I have totally lost control of the discussion on this thread. I was trying to illustrate a point about how Christains do recognize the laws validity in some areas but deny it in others. So I will just let you folks rehash what you have obviously discussed before and want to discuss once again.

And for the record, no, I was not endorcing deviant sexual behaviour.. I was showing that Gods standard is still in effect and unless we study his law we will not know what that standard really is.

Homosexuality is an Abomiation to God and so is eating unclean animals. Same book same word, Abomination.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Well I think I have totally lost control of the discussion on this thread. I was trying to illustrate a point about how Christains do recognize the laws validity in some areas but deny it in others. So I will just let you folks rehash what you have obviously discussed before and want to discuss once again.

And for the record, no, I was not endorcing deviant sexual behaviour.. I was showing that Gods standard is still in effect and unless we study his law we will not know what that standard really is.

Homosexuality is an Abomiation to God and so is eating unclean animals. Same book same word, Abomination.

I must agree with you! AND on that note, I am leaving the thread...tired of rehashing sin.

 

[JacobHall86]

No, it's a thread about why some Christians are fixated with gay sex...my point is, by pointing the finger it takes the heat off the common sins of conservative Christians:divorce, remarriage, and gluttony.

a look at me, come be fat like me, organization with conventions in San Fransisco.
http://www.naafa.org/

That has nothing to do with Scripture or Christians. Its a secular group ran by secular people. But if thats the route you want to go down you get lumped in with http://www.nambla.org

 

[PassthePeace1]

I keep hearing that. Can someone show me in scripture where the laws are seperated into these two categories?

Book of Galatians, is a good place to start, and the Council of Jerusalem, that is recorded in Acts.

 

[INFJ]

Is this a trick question for some people Charles?

Homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22.

YOU SAID IT BEST, MAN!!!!!!!

God Be with you all!

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Judging by our own opinions is sin. Judging by Gods word and law is not sin. Did you see how Paul used the law to judge the sin of a man who married his fathers wife. And he chastised the Corinthians for not doing so themsleves. The word of God is to be used for doctrine, correction, reproof and training in righteousness. It is not we who judge, it is God who is really judging. If we fail to do this, and the person dies in their sin, their blood is on our heads.

The bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged" And remember the woman and what Jesus did asking those with out sin to cast the first stone...I am not sinless brother are you? I am just saved by grace...I can tell you what the scriptures say I can share it lovingly I can not convict you only the Holy Spirit can do that and God on judgement day.

 

[INFJ]

The bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged" And remember the woman and what Jesus did asking those with out sin to cast the first stone...I am not sinless brother are you? I am just saved by grace...I can tell you what the scriptures say I can share it lovingly I can not convict you only the Holy Spirit can do that and God on judgement day.

SO true dear friend! That is something that I try to live by! MY walk with the Lord is ONLY ME and the LORD...The Holy Spirit is my guide!!!!!

Bless you friend!

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Praise God.... my name is Gabriella Lamb and I AM A SURVIVOR!

BTW I must add that I am soooooooo glad that you are a survivor Praise Jesus!!!!!!!

 

[icedtea]

Homosexuality is an Abomiation to God and so is eating unclean animals. Same book same word, Abomination.

Youre kidding, right? There is a verse in the bible which says "Whatever goes into a man does not make him unclean, whatever comes out of his heart makes him unclean. In saying this, jesus was declaring all foods clean; kosher."

So the bible contradicts itself, Which statement is a lie? Either some foods are an abomination or all are clean, like Jesus said?

 

[Oblio]

On the OP (and it's real intent):

Fallacy of equivocation, brought on by prooftexting and fixating on a particular word in the Bible, and not holding to the entirety of the Gospel as taught by the Church, through the Scriptures, for 2000 years.

Pass the pork please

 

[JacobHall86]

Yay for quoting Matthew Chapter 7 out of context.

 

[Splayd]

Hey HowardDean,

I used to go by that particular verse too. If you look, many of the versions that include it, have this bit "In saying this, jesus was declaring all foods clean" in brackets with a disclaimer somewhere that it isn't found in the earliest manuscripts and appears to be an added commentary.

Even if all food is actually clean now - it wasn't then. Jesus hadn't yet finished what He came to do. If we read the whole section He's not actually saying that at all. He's discussing the tradition of washing your hands before eating.

At the moment I'm not debating whether or not all food is clean now... but I do refute that that part of the verse is valid evidence.

Peace

 

[RonnyRulz]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm






"Malakoi" is translated in both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 as "soft" (KJV) or as "fine" (NIV) in references to clothing. It could also mean "loose" or "pliable," as in the phrase "loose morals," implying "unethical behavior." In the early Christian church, the words were interpreted by some as referring to persons who are pliable, easily influenced, without courage or stability. Non-Biblical writings of the era used the world to refer to lazy men, men who cannot handle hard work, and cowards. [John] Wesley's Bible Notes defines "Malakoi" as those "Who live in an easy, indolent way; taking up no cross, enduring no hardship." 6 One knowledgeable but anonymous reviewer of our web site said that the word translated here as "effeminate" really "means men not working or advancing ideas so as to concern themselves with love only. Not working for the good of the whole....Our present culture has all sorts of connotations associated with the word 'effeminate' that simply don't apply" to Paul's era. It would seem that the word "effeminate" can only be regarded as a mistranslation.

Check that out.

 

[marshgreencohen]

though homosexuals belong to a church and praise God well,it ain't enough if their own body is put into sin.if they can do good,why can't they stop it?

 

[JacobHall86]

Just throwing this out there, citing ReligiousTolerance is about as good as citing Jack Chick.

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Judging by our own opinions is sin. Judging by Gods word and law is not sin. Did you see how Paul used the law to judge the sin of a man who married his fathers wife. And he chastised the Corinthians for not doing so themsleves. The word of God is to be used for doctrine, correction, reproof and training in righteousness. It is not we who judge, it is God who is really judging. If we fail to do this, and the person dies in their sin, their blood is on our heads.

SO true dear friend! That is something that I try to live by! MY walk with the Lord is ONLY ME and the LORD...The Holy Spirit is my guide!!!!!

Bless you friend!


BTW I must add that I am soooooooo glad that you are a survivor Praise Jesus!!!!!!!

Thank you sister I have survived a lot more than I could ever share here.....but cancer was one of those things I did survive and Praise God for that!

 

[Charles YTK]

Youre kidding, right? There is a verse in the bible which says "Whatever goes into a man does not make him unclean, whatever comes out of his heart makes him unclean. In saying this, jesus was declaring all foods clean; kosher."

So the bible contradicts itself, Which statement is a lie? Either some foods are an abomination or all are clean, like Jesus said?

Neither one. Jeus was not talking about Kosher food. He was talking about eating with unwashed hands, which by the teachings of the Rabbis made Kosher food unclean. Jesus was saying that eating Kosher food with unwashed hands does not defile a man, what defiles is speaking accusations against the innocent from an evil heart.

MK 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. [2] And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. [3] For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Notice too that they were eating bread and nothing unclean.

 

[INFJ]

Thank you sister I have survived a lot more than I could ever share here.....but cancer was one of those things I did survive and Praise God for that!

I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE TODAY!!!!!.... AND I am gonna pray for your SIS!!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU and BE with you as well!!!!!

YOU ARE DEAR!!!!!

 

[RonnyRulz]

Just throwing this out there, citing ReligiousTolerance is about as good as citing Jack Chick.

I don't know who Jack Chick is, but I'm assuming that is negative.

From my viewpoint, ReligiousTolerance is just about as reliable of a source as anyone on this forum.

Afterall, unless it's directly from God and I know it, I assume it's all just Man's Wisdom. And Man's Wisdom is all the same, unreliable at best. That goes for a website or someone saying a website isn't good. Both are fools just like me. But if everyone is a fool....even ourselve.s........WHAT DO WE DO!?!?! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

WE'D HAVE TO.................BUT NO! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

If we're all fools, the only thing really to do is to love everyone, treat everyone fairly, give everyone equal treatment, and not care about others sins but let God handle their sins NOT US, while we just handle Loving them. Do we dare drop our hate for "sinners" like homosexuals and treat them as human beings? If we are all fools, WHAT DO WE DO!?!?!?! Let God handle everything and mind our own business only paying attention to Love, Love, Love, and more Love? Bbbbbut that's crazy! THATS CRAZY! TREAT HOMOSEXUALS LIKE HUMAN BEINGS WHOM GOD LOVES?!?!?! WHAT?!?!?! WHAT DO WE DO!?!?!?!?!? AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. Other's sin is none of our business. Our business is our own sin (and realizing it everyday, and repenting every single day, lest we become prideful self-righteous man's-wisdom bible-thumpers) and LOVING OTHERS. Treating them like human beings, and seeing no difference between a pastor and a homosexual couple. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH EQUALLY SINNERS!!!

It is SICKENING how christians look at a pastor as someone "holy" while they look at homosexuals with hatred in their hearts. There's no difference between a pastor and a homosexual, no difference between a priest and a prostitute.

But do Christians condemn the pastor for using his own wisdom instead of God's wisdom? HECK NO! But Christians will be the first to point that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. Why? Not because God won't allow them to marry, because God allows everyone to do anything. God allows murder to happen, God allows people to lie, cheat, or steal. And even if homosexuality were a sin (I don't know if it is or not, and nor can I say because God never told me, nor is it any of my business because I myself am not gay.) God would still allow them to be married. Just like how God allows two people who are not meant for each other to marry. There's no laws stopping that.

The reason we have so many christians hating homosexuals but loving self-righteous pastors who use their own wisdom instead of God's, is because we have so many christians relying on Man's Christianity instead of God's Christianity. This sickens me. And I know it sickens God even more.

A Christian's business is to love everyone regardless of any sin, and to stay out of other people's business. Other's sin is God's business.

The Holy Spirit Convicts, NOT Mr.Bible Thumping Self-Righteous with a heart of hate towards homosexuals.

I'm not pointing fingers to anyone specific with this message, but here I say this as a warning to all:
Everyone can go ahead and praise self-righteousness pastors and see homosexuals are abominations, but regardless if homosexuality is a sin or not, God sees homosexuals just like he sees EVERYONE, his wonderful children whom he loves. And from what I know of God, he despises pride and self-righteous christians more than he does homosexuals. It is NOT the job of a christian to condemn, but to love. For a Christian to say judge someone based on homosexuality is for them to put themselves as God. We're not God, only God can judge. And it's NONE of our business to judge those outside of the church. Nor is it our business to judge sin. Don't put yourself on the same level of God. Pride is a foul stench in the nostrils of God.

If homosexuality is a sin, the Holy Spirit will naturally convict them of it. Man doesn't need to step in and do God's work for Him. He is completely capable of convicting sin by Himself, without the help of Mr.Self-righteous.