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I was healed from a wheelchair by faith!

Nothing in the Kingdom of God comes without faith, as a matter of fact you were born-again through faith. To knock it is to knock your own salvation. I know that things sound pretty incredible when it comes to some of the claims of the faith people, but isn't that the kind of God we're dealing with?

People who say "Name it and Claim it" are already on the wrong track. They have been mis-informed or have not really done their homework on the subject. Most listen to what others say and don't take up the investigation for themselves. This is not being responsible. Plan and simple it's a form of being slothful.

Naturally I cannot explain the basics of faith in this type of forum, the best I can do is to provoke your thinking. God's Word works and is true whether we believe it or not. The fact that a sinner doesn't come to God does not negate the FACT that Jesus saves. He simply has not taken part in that provision provided by Jesus. For him to say, "Jesus doesn't save" simply because he didn't get saved, is not only untrue, it's not responsible.

God is good, not bad. It is good to be healed. It amazes me how people could fight against such GOOD news. Healing is a good thing. Forget what people do with it, or if some prosper from it, HEALING itself is good. The GOOD NEWS (Gospel) is that healing is PROVIDED for every believer; if you do not partake of it, it does not negate its validity. It simply means that you have not taken part in it.

ALL Christians have ENOUGH faith. There is no such thing as GETTING more faith. You got all the faith you are ever going to get when you got born-again. Just like you got all the muscles that you're ever going to get when you were born as a baby. You don't get more, you simply develop more. But if you don't do what it takes to develop your muscles (faith) they will not get strong. Yes I was raised from a wheelchair, yes I beat cancer...but not because I have more faith than anyone, it's just that I developed my "healing muscle" that's all. Some people develop their "prosperity" muscle so they prosper (Jesus was not broke! Try taking care of 12 disciples and their families for three years with no one working...got that much cash? To take it a step further, none of them worked after meeting Jesus. Remember Paul came along after Jesus rose).

What's right or wrong? Not my opinion...who cares? It doesn't change God's Word one iota. Therfore I have to go to the Word and find out what it says about a subject, and like it or lump it, that's what it is. Did you know that there are more scriptures on prosperity in the Bible than there are on Salvation? Sounds like God's trying to say something. Study the Word for yourself. If you don't agree with a brother, that's fine, pray and go on. Christians fighting is...not Christian...
 
Healing...

Let me tell you about my healing and then perhaps it will clear up some issues:

MY TESTIMONY
OF HEALING

Most people, who meet me, are unaware of the fact that at a time, in my life, I was wheelchair bound, or confined to a wheelchair. And, had it not been for the Word of God, and me, applying the Word of God to my body in the proper manner, I would still be confined to that wheelchair today. And although this is a miracle from God, I want you to know that it will work for you, like it worked for me. Because God is no respecter of persons, He is a respecter of Faith.

I’d like to share my healing testimony with you for two reasons: one because God told me to tell everyone that wanted to hear, about my healing. And two, because it illustrates God’s willingness to heal everyone, while at the same time demonstrating the power of using our faith.

God did not heal me because I was someone special… or because He picked my name out of a hat and said, “okay, Rob… this is your lucky week.” No, God healed me because I went to His Word regarding my healing, and He kept His Word.

Let me begin by telling you what my condition was in January of 1983 and then we’ll go into the events that got me there and then to God’s Word as the final out.


I had a fragmented spine, caused by a .38 caliber bullet, fired at point blank range, on the night of September 17th 1982. I was at work as the closing manager for a grocery store in Los Angeles California. The time was 8:20 pm.

The bullet entered my body in my mid-to upper left thigh and tore through my Femoral artery, and my femoral nerve. This damage alone would have left at least my left leg permanently damaged and unusable for the rest of my life, however the bullet continued to travel upward and backward. It hit my Femur bone and slightly changed it’s direction, until it made an explosive collision with my spine. Instantly my spine fragmented or exploded under the impact. This left me paralyzed. From what I understand, ricocheting bullets have a tendency to pick up speed. When the bullet hit my Femur bone, it, for some reason bounced. Maybe because of the angle that it entered or for some other reason, honestly I don’t know, but I do know that it ricocheted and hit my spine.

When they took the x-rays of my leg, hip and spine, Doctor “C,” I don’t want to say his name, was given the task of telling me that I wouldn’t be able to walk anymore. And He was very professional and honest. He brought in the x-ray and showed it to me. And, although I’m no medical technician, anyone on the planet could see that something was wrong with my spine. From what I remember, I could see pieces of bone floating around in my back. Obviously in some sort of fluid, but still in the general area where it was suppose to be. I hope that’s clear. I mean that I didn’t have my lower spine up around my shoulders. Everything was generally in the same place, just fragmented.

So Doctor “C” showed me the x-rays and explained everything medically. Then I was sent to a neurologist, an internist, and a physiatrist, whose job it was to help me mentally cope with my new life change.

I lost an enormous amount of weight, and my legs atrophied, or became skinny and lifeless. Since I didn’t use them, they just began to fade away. And I was confined to a wheelchair. So, that was my condition...


I had an apartment at the time, however since I was unable to take care of myself, I lived with my parents. They were responsible for taking me to the rest room, getting me dressed and so forth. It’s very humbling when you have your liberties taken away from you and you have to depend on others for your mobility.


The events that led up to my condition are interesting, if nothing else. I worked as a manager assistant in a supermarket, in Los Angeles, and one of my duties was to close the store at night. This particular night, September 17th, I was far ahead of my work requirements. The store was light in traffic, so I was able to close a few registers, and each department was general clean. When I say department, I mean meat department, produce department, bakery, and things like that. So things were going well.

About 8:00pm that evening, one of the cashier’s came over to me to get a check “O.K” for an order that she had rung up at her register. I was at the manager’s desk up front there, and I didn’t even bother looking over at her register, because she was standing in front of me, but I did look at the information she gave me. There was a check for $10 dollars or so, a driver’s license and a store check cashing card. Well, I quickly scanned it… male Caucasian, about 50 years of age, up to date card, check information matched the license, “looks good.” I leaned over to approve the check when the cashier stopped me. She said, “No, Robert… look over at my register.” So I did. At her register was an African American male, about 35-40 years of age, skinny and from what I could determine form observation, intoxicated.


Well, I looked at the cashier and she said, “see, that’s why I came over here.”

I asked her to cancel out the order and to send the guy over to me, at a neutral register, away from everyone, so I could talk to him. And she did… she was an excellent employee… just super…

So he came over to where I was and I told him point blank, “hey guy I can’t accept this check, it’s not you.” And he went to arguing. Raising his voice, carrying on and so forth. I got him calmed down and he insisted that I do something. I said sir, I can run the store card but I don’t think that it will change anything.

So I placed the register we were standing at in “computer mode” and ran the card. The computer came back with a code of 55. This meant, detain and hold for police. Frankly I was not in the mood to detain anyone, I was having a good evening and I wanted to go home on time. Well he kept pushing, and I finally said, “hey guy, no more games, leave the store, I’m not cashing the check.”

Well, he reluctantly complied and started making his way out of the store. I went back to my duties and the security guard, who was armed at that time, began to follow the guy out. Well they bean to exchange words and soon they were wrestling in front of the store! Now, I had to get involved… and all I wanted to do was to go home on time!

Well we all wrestled there for a few seconds. I held the guy down, the guard handcuffed him, and we took him to the office. That’s when all the trouble began!


We sat him down in a chair and I got on the phone to call the police. No sooner had I made contact with the police, than I looked up and noticed that the man was out of his handcuffs! He immediately lunged at the guard, I dropped the phone and we all were wrestling again.

During the struggle, the guy managed to remove the guard’s weapon form its holster and pointed it at me. I grabbed it and knocked his arm down. At that time, he pulled the trigger. I felt my body jolt and I knew immediately that I had been shot. Man did it burn. But that changed nothing, because we kept on fighting. The reason why, is because he still had the gun.

I couldn’t feel my left leg at all, and my right leg was limited, but I could still feel it and move it.

Well, we struggled for another five minutes or so, during which time three more rounds were fired. One went into the wall, behind me, another went into the wall behind the guard, and another went into the desk just pass the guy’s head.

Finally, I fell to the floor. I had lost too much blood and I was hyperventilating. In my mind, I wondered if this would be my last day on earth because I first thought that the guy still had the gun. As it turns out, he didn’t, I had it. This was good for me, because the guy was still combative. So I raised the weapon and shot him. It didn’t stop him! Maybe it was the alcohol in his system or maybe he was on some drugs or whatever; it didn’t stop him, so I fired again! This time he stopped. He wasn’t dead or anything like that, he was just… immobile. But he kept talking, swearing, and basically pitching a fit.

Well, the cashier, bless her darling heart, had pushed the two eleven panic button, which alerted the police, and shortly after I had shot him, they arrived and I was taken to the hospital… He recovered and was sent to Federal Prison, not only for what happened to me, Attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon, but for sealing things and a bunch of other things.

Now, fast forward to 1983. I was sitting in my mother’s living room, watching church on television, confined to my wheelchair. Fred Price, of Crenshaw Christian Center came on and I watched. Now I had been going to Crenshaw since 1978, so I was familiar with faith and faith principles. I simply hadn’t been in a position to use them on this level… until now.

Well, Fred was ministering and walking around, and he stopped and pointed to the camera, and said something to the effect that “if I really believed God’s Word, that I would get up out of the wheelchair and walk.” Now those were not the exact words, but it carried that kind of message.

Well, that made me angry. How dare him! What does he know? He can walk. He can say those things. And up until the end of the program I stayed mad at him, I didn’t turn it off, but I stayed angry with him; waiting for the more understanding and loving Kenneth Copeland to come on.

Well Kenneth came on, sang a song and started teaching, and I’ll be doggone if he didn’t say the same thing! It was as if they were working together!

Well, that was it! I got the message big time. God wanted me to believe His Word, so that He could do something about my situation. So I prayed the prayer of faith. No begging or whimpering. I knew that God wanted to heal me, but that the power block was not God it was me.

I said something like, “Father! Your Word says that Jesus not only died for my salvation, but for my healing. You Word declares that by His stripes (the wounds the Jesus suffered), by the wounds, I am healed! Not going to be, not maybe, not if it’s Your will, but I am! It is Your will to heal me; otherwise You would not have gone through all that stuff with Jesus. Father, I receive Your healing power, and from this second on, I believe that I receive my healing from paralysis.”

At that time, I pushed myself up from my wheelchair, dangled my little legs out there, and let go of the chair. Wham! I hit the floor. My legs did not hold me. I waited a little bit and then got back into my chair, and once again tried to stand. Once again I failed. Now the devil began to talk to me. “That stuff doesn’t work… there is no God… You’re going to kill yourself… accept your fate…God doesn’t heal today… you’re not special…”

Man, that guy ran so much stuff through my head, that I wanted to scream. But I had to realize that my feelings had nothing to do with my healing. I had to understand that God is not moved by NEED, or FEELINGS. The Bible says that He’s touched by the feelings of our infirmities, but they don’t move Him to respond. That’s why people die in hospitals praying to God, hoping that He’ll do something. They don’t realize that if you don’t get His Word involved, you’re in trouble. God said Himself in Isaiah that “He watches over His WORD to perform it.” He watches over his WORD, not you feelings. Yes Jesus was moved with compassion and healed people, but what is compassion? It’s not a feeling it’s a person. It’s God… the Bible says in 1 John 4:8 that God is love. We can say it this way God is compassion. Therefore, God moved Jesus to heal people. Jesus said, “I do nothing of myself…”

Well, I was shaking and fighting fear all the way. I knew what God had said and I was going to do His Word in spite of my feelings. So I pushed myself into an upright position again, dangled out my tiny legs and as I let go of that chair, I kind of shoved it back so I couldn’t use it as a “safety valve” incase my faith didn’t work.

My Legs held!

As time passed I became stronger and stronger and today… you would have never known that I was confined to a chair, unless I told you.

Does God Love me more that He loves you? No. Then why did He move on my behalf while countless others lay broken up in wheelchairs? The only difference is, that I learned what His Word had to say about healing, and acted on it. God in turned watched over His Word and performed it. :wave: :wave:
 
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Robert,

Thank you so much for sharing this testimony with us.  You did not go into as much detail on the other site and I'm glad you took my suggestion to come on over here with it too.

What a blessing :clap:

There are many here who need to hear it.  You are walking proof of how faith works. 

Thanks again,

 
 
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Hey Robert,

Wonderful testimony. But can it be verified? eg are you willing to give doctor's name, medical reports, police report, etc. Dont get me wrong, I'm an ardent supporter of the truth that God still heals today. But it seems that I need more than just scripture to convince some folks here of that, such as cougan. Perhaps you can witness to him and talk to him over the phone or something. He strongly believes that God miracles dont happen today, but is willing to consider SOLID evidence.

I'll point him to this thread. thanks ;)
 
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Faith is beliving without seeing, however verification is not a problem. Unfortunately it will set a person back, because they are using the Physical Rhelm to verify the spritual and it should be the other wa around.

There was a law suit involved so I'll walk lightly here. The hospital that took me in a performed the six hour operation to remove the bullet was called "West Adams Hospital" on Western Avenue and Adams Blvd in Los Angeles. The Name has been changed to Los Angeles Doctor's Hospital or "doctor's" hospital as the locals say. The surgen's name was doctor Endefortue (sp), he was from Africa. Surgery was performed on the night of September 17th 1982 at approx. 10:20 pm. Attending nurse was Josophine Pryor (she said I could use her name). I was transported to Cedars Sinai Medical Center in Beverly Hills three days later, where I was given six doctors... The only doctor's name I can use here (I checked) is doctor Jay Jerkowitz who was the nero-surgen who made the nerve damage evaluation. He has a private practice on Melrose Ave. Dr. "C" made the written declaration that I would be wheelchair bound.

Dr. Kleevens, was responsible for my "mental" recovery, and teaching me how to accept my new life-style. I under went therapy for about eight months.

This breaks my heart, because whether I was healed or not does not change God's Word! Simply because a person does not get their healing, does not mean that God does not heal. It simply means that they (for whatever reason) didn't get theirs. It does not change anything else. The person who does not get "born-again" cannot say thay Jesus doesn't save. He still does. However people judge the vality of God's Word on their personal experiences and that is awefully wrong. The Bible was here long before they were born and (should Jesus tarry) will be here long after they are gone.

This is sad... such a set back of faith. I wonder if the same person(s) wanted verification and documentation of salvation prior to giving their lives to Christ? And even that, in the end, was an act of faith.
 
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Originally posted by Robert Emanuel
Faith is beliving without seeing, however verification is not a problem. Unfortunately it will set a person back, because they are using the Physical Rhelm to verify the spritual and it should be the other wa around.

There was a law suit involved so I'll walk lightly here. The hospital that took me in a performed the six hour operation to remove the bullet was called "West Adams Hospital" on Western Avenue and Adams Blvd in Los Angeles. The Name has been changed to Los Angeles Doctor's Hospital or "doctor's" hospital as the locals say. The surgen's name was doctor Endefortue (sp), he was from Africa. Surgery was performed on the night of September 17th 1982 at approx. 10:20 pm. Attending nurse was Josophine Pryor (she said I could use her name). I was transported to Cedars Sinai Medical Center in Beverly Hills three days later, where I was given six doctors... The only doctor's name I can use here (I checked) is doctor Jay Jerkowitz who was the nero-surgen who made the nerve damage evaluation. He has a private practice on Melrose Ave. Dr. "C" made the written declaration that I would be wheelchair bound.

Dr. Kleevens, was responsible for my "mental" recovery, and teaching me how to accept my new life-style. I under went therapy for about eight months.

This breaks my heart, because whether I was healed or not does not change God's Word! Simply because a person does not get their healing, does not mean that God does not heal. It simply means that they (for whatever reason) didn't get theirs. It does not change anything else. The person who does not get "born-again" cannot say thay Jesus doesn't save. He still does. However people judge the vality of God's Word on their personal experiences and that is awefully wrong. The Bible was here long before they were born and (should Jesus tarry) will be here long after they are gone.

This is sad... such a set back of faith. I wonder if the same person(s) wanted verification and documentation of salvation prior to giving their lives to Christ? And even that, in the end, was an act of faith.

 

Robert,

Unfortionatly, because of frauds of the past some people choose not to believe until it's proven.  We see in scripure, that with the 10 lepers, Jesus told them to go show themselves to the priests first.  This was part of Jewish law and I believe they would nothave been allowed back into their towns if they had refused to do that.  Even though the obvious.

I have grown up seeing miracles but I have also seen the fraud.  I believe what you are telling is the truth and it's always good, when possible to be able to show proof to those who did not see the before and after.  Such as my friend who was born totally blind in one eye and could see shadows in the other.  I knew her this way for at least a year and one night in church she started seeing shadows in the eye she had never seen in and can read with the other eye. 

Her manifestation of healing has not fully completed yet but as you say, Jesus is still The Healer.  I don't need to see proof with her because I knew her before.  And, I know her now, and she can see.

Thanks for being willing to share what you can.  Because of the lawsuit I know you are limited.

Also, do you still live in Calif?  I grew up in LaPuente, which is LA County.  I live in Florida now.

If anyone else has testimonys please share them.  "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word." :)

God bless you brother,

 

 

 
 
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Oh my dearest Quaffer, I totally understand. I too have seen the frauds, it makes it difficult for those who are not... we need to pray more. You are truely gold, God has something great for you. You keep doing what you're doing. I suppose with the names of the doctors and the two hospitals, it souldn't be too tough to get my information. But I don't mind, if this is what it takes, then this is what it takes... All praise be to God.

I live in Houston Texas now. Received my ordination and doctorate in biblical studies since then, teach bible studies here and have a website. I love it...

I'd like to thank you, for bringing this aspect of healing to my attention however. I shall begin to post medical records and other verifications of healings when people in our prayer group gets healed. It's slow, but it is advancement! That's what many people need. By the way, where is this person that doesn't believe?
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Hey Robert,

Wonderful testimony. But can it be verified? eg are you willing to give doctor's name, medical reports, police report, etc. Dont get me wrong, I'm an ardent supporter of the truth that God still heals today. But it seems that I need more than just scripture to convince some folks here of that, such as cougan. Perhaps you can witness to him and talk to him over the phone or something. He strongly believes that God miracles dont happen today, but is willing to consider SOLID evidence.

I'll point him to this thread. thanks ;)

 

Andrew referred to cougan and I found him posting on the thread "Cessationism:have the gifts ceased?"  I'm sure he's posted elsewhere though.  And, there are others, just read through and you'll find em'

Thanks for your kind word,

God bless
 
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"That's what many people need. By the way, where is this person that doesn't believe?"

There are at least 3 here. Am I'm still waiting for them to respond to your testimony. Yes, it's sad even Christians ask for proof that God still heals today, (I'd expect that from an unbeliever but from a Christian?), also that a non-believer's words carry more weight than the testimony of a brother in Christ.

Thanks for being forthcoming with the evidence. :)
 
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I will respond to this mans testmony. First of all I have a problem with it when someone says God told them this or God told them that. Whenever you say God told you did he do it in a vision or was it a thought that came to your head or perhaps a voice spoke to you. When you say God spoke to you are you refereing to the Father, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit? I find it interesting that people seem to think we need miracles and signs today to reconfirm Gods word that was already established by miracles and signs. Thats like saying well I didnt see Jesus die on the cross so he better come back to the earth and die all over again for this generation to reconfirm his death. This healing that you had happenned 20 years ago and would probably be next to impossible to locate these people you have stated. You dont even have the Xrays of your injury from what I can tell. If I had something like that happen to me I would of keep my Xray to prove to others my testimony. Had you at anytime during this time try and to stand. Or was it that day that you determined in your mind that you were going to stand? Did you feel a warm feeling comeover your body as you stood? Did your small dainty legs become whole or did it take days and weeks for them to build back up? Faith in God this I have Faith in some story told by someone I do not know no I do not have that kind of Faith. I believe that God does heal today through his providence but not miracelously like in the 1st century. So if you have some sort of hard evidence of healing I would be most interested in it. Just remember this that over 55% of all illness and pain is in a person head. That why a doctor will subscribe sugar pills to a person and they belive that the medicine they are taking will cure what is bothering them and sure enough they are healed because it was in their mind.
 
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Originally posted by cougan
I will respond to this mans testmony. First of all I have a problem with it when someone says God told them this or God told them that. Whenever you say God told you did he do it in a vision or was it a thought that came to your head or perhaps a voice spoke to you. When you say God spoke to you are you refereing to the Father, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit? I find it interesting that people seem to think we need miracles and signs today to reconfirm Gods word that was already established by miracles and signs. Thats like saying well I didnt see Jesus die on the cross so he better come back to the earth and die all over again for this generation to reconfirm his death. This healing that you had happenned 20 years ago and would probably be next to impossible to locate these people you have stated. You dont even have the Xrays of your injury from what I can tell. If I had something like that happen to me I would of keep my Xray to prove to others my testimony. Had you at anytime during this time try and to stand. Or was it that day that you determined in your mind that you were going to stand? Did you feel a warm feeling comeover your body as you stood? Did your small dainty legs become whole or did it take days and weeks for them to build back up? Faith in God this I have Faith in some story told by someone I do not know no I do not have that kind of Faith. I believe that God does heal today through his providence but not miracelously like in the 1st century. So if you have some sort of hard evidence of healing I would be most interested in it. Just remember this that over 55% of all illness and pain is in a person head. That why a doctor will subscribe sugar pills to a person and they belive that the medicine they are taking will cure what is bothering them and sure enough they are healed because it was in their mind.
Hi Cougan, I am afraid that you are walking in unbelief, the signs and wonders are still for this day, when the perfect comes refers to the second coming of Jesus.
 
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cougan, the other thing you might want to think about is this:

you are not just believing that God has changed into a non-miracle God but you are also in a way 'calling' everyone here who gives a miraculous testimony a 'liar', unless that person can fulfill your criteria.

It is one thing to say you believe in cessationism but quite another to call someone a fake. If that same person told you the greatest miracle had happened to him -- rebirth -- wld you ask for proof? why not? If miracles dont happen today then neither does the miracle of rebirth.

you keep asking for proof b4 you'd believe, isnt that the same spirit doubting Thomas had? why not tell God you believe first (step out in faith), then you'll begin to see with open eyes/heart...for without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.

ps: and who knows, God might have sent Robert E, those VCDs, SnuP's testimonies to testify to you yet you continue to look the other way. but I believe He's still patient with you :)
 
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