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Israel-Hamas Thread II

A rare but clear signal from the UK: the government in London has officially declared for the first time that Israel is not committing genocide in its war against Hamas. A letter dated Sep 1, 2025, from the then Foreign Secretary and now Deputy Prime Minister David Lammy marks a turning point in British policy on the Middle East.

Lammy emphasized that the Foreign Office had examined the issue intensively, particularly in light of British arms exports to Israel and participation in the F-35 fighter jet program. Although the number of casualties in Gaza was “utterly appalling,” Israel did not meet the key criterion for genocide under the 1948 UN Convention: the intent to deliberately destroy a national, ethnic, or religious group.

Until now, the British government had always referred such questions to the courts and refrained from making its own assessment. Lammy's letter now provided a political assessment for the first time, and it was clear: London rejects the accusation of genocide

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The debate was closely linked to British arms deliveries. As early as 2024, London had suspended around 30 export licenses to Israel out of concern that the material could be used in violation of international law. With its current assessment, the government now wants to make it clear that there is no legal basis for the accusation of genocide and that the risk assessment is based on a legally sound basis.

The fact that London, as one of Israel's most important partners and a member of the UN Security Council, rejects the accusation of genocide carries weight. While pro-Palestinian groups and left-wing activists in Europe have been spreading this accusation in the media and at protests for months, the UK is providing a counterweight: criticism of Israel may be harsh, but it remains within political and military categories, not in the sphere of existential accusations that effectively demonize Israel.

In doing so, London is also sending a signal to its European neighbors, who are increasingly willing to support boycott calls or unilateral resolutions: those who accuse Israel of genocide are abandoning the principles of international law and engaging in political propaganda.
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

I edited to add on my last post that the death penalty can be imposed in Utah for:
  • The murder being "especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved."
I don't see how this, one quick clean shot, would qualify as that.
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What is your theory, belief around Foreknowledge?

None of what you say is scriptural starting with your first sentence
The citings are there. Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

But you're doing exactly that, against Adam, God's son and in the lineage of Jesus

In complete disregard for the adversary of us all

Classic void in positions
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5 key findings from DOJ report on anti-Christian bias under Biden

All the courts and many of the J6 era have admitted that it was an insurrection. Some plef guilty to insurrection and others to crimes like beating cops.
It means nothing that you keep repeating that. Partisan courts making partisan decisions on command of a corrupt DoJ is not a surprise. There were, MAYBE, five people who actually committed a crime in all that went into the Capitol that day who were rightly tried and convicted, the rest were invited in as the video evidence shows and should have received nothing more than a warning instead of the years in jail that they spent on misdemeanor charges.
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

So his only crime was being illegal. That's the basis that the judge made the finding.
That's the basis for getting him out of the country. If that had been done so many years ago; how many crimes would have been prevented?

Let me break this down into bite sized pieces that you can digest.

Our country was being invaded with criminals. It is estimated that there are approximately 18,000,000 of them here right now.

The cartels are gaining a foothold so strong, and doing so much damage to our nation that our President has deemed them terrorists organizations.

The cartels are making billions of dollars; and in Mexico they are using that money to get politicians of their choosing elected. The cartels have overthrown the Mexican government. The cartels in Mexico are gunning down villages, leaving bodies in the streets. I don't want to wait until this level of horror comes to America. Their fentanyl sales have already killed approximately a quarter of a million people in the US.

The situation has become so severe that our President is considering invading other countries to take out the cartels. When the US military starts taking out the cartels; I don't want them on our soil. I don't want martial law; and I don't want concentration camps; and I don't want the military bombing cartels in my community.

I support the efforts of this administration to get these terrorists off of our soil; but I don't think that they are doing enough, fast enough; and I'm concerned that if this isn't done expeditiously, that the cartels might make a rebound, and eventually take over our government.

I don't want the US to look like Mexico.

You can criticize this administration's approach all you want; but until you can come up with a plan that more expeditiously gets these 18,000,000 criminals out of my country more expeditiously, before declaring martial law; I'm not interested in your smug critique of my aversion to living with vicious criminals.

I would send him to Guantanamo Bay while he awaits trial; and I would send him back there after he is convicted; but there isn't enough room there for the rest of them.

The penalties are not harsh enough for these criminal invaders. They are not fleeing fast enough.
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What is your theory, belief around Foreknowledge?

Your picture above is common, but what's common has quite a few flaws that can't pass legitimate scriptural critique.

For example, Adam was God's son, Luke 3:38. Did God then bear a problem child? Seems rather odd doesn't it?

Paul tells us that the law is for the lawless, 1 Tim. 1:9. We can certainly look at the command, "do not eat" and see that it's a form of law with consequences for disobedience. The more interesting observation though is, did God bear lawless children or a lawless child in Adam? Reverse that back to God and there's an issue.

And where is the accounting for the tempter, the devil in the account? We can read Jesus and hear that where the Word is sown, Satan "enters the heart" to steal the Word, Mark 4:15. IF this is true, then it happened to Adam and at that point of entry, of the tempter into the mind/heart of Adam we can see an entirely different and far more accurate picture.

Adam was never just Adam. It was Adam, the son of God, bound with the tempter in his dust pile body. Same with Eve.

NOW it makes much more sense why Adam got the law delivered to him in the first place, because the "lawless one" was already in his head and that is who the law was delivered to. It was a foregone conclusion that disobedience would then surface because that's what the lawless one does, breaks the law. Adam was along for the downhill slide. We can even see Eve violating the law in her mind long before she ate the apple. She recounted the law wrong. She was enticed by the prospects of eating the fruit, just as John noted in 1 John 2:16, the pattern of sin in the world. And we know that sin is in fact "of the devil," so why are we blaming either of them and ignoring the enemy of us all? It's just blindness to do so, imposed on believers because they just can't quite get the picture in focus, because Mark 4:15 is a reality for all of us, no exceptions.

As soon as a person perceives the tempter in our own sorry hides things start to make more sense, and we learn to bring that party to the table for ourselves and even for everyone else. The evil in the world is then soooo obvious as to WHO is behind it ALL. That old red dragon, Satan, the devil.

So why do we keep blaming people? We shouldn't is the answer. We can all point to the tempter in ourselves.

But then again that really was God's Plan from the beginning according to Paul. God had always planned to put His children here on earth strictly for temporary reasons and He bound us to disobedience, Romans 11:32, Eph. 2:2. This walking dust pile had no eternal plans whatsoever. It was always meant to be only temporary and Satan then is merely the tool of our collective terminations in the flesh, doing what that predator was always meant to do, to KILL. The ultimate orca in the spiritual sea of humanity, feeding off us all.

Paul elaborates on this in many places, the most succinct being in 1 Cor. 15:42-46. WE all are planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor in a natural body that is doomed to eventual termination and THEN we all move on, as spirits, MADE spirits by God. When the body dies the spirit returns to God who gave it, Eccl. 12:7, supposedly the better for the experiences, primarily being the hope of glory via the realized and ever needed Mercy of God in Christ. A genuine experience for everyone, sad as it can often be in the here and now.

Fortunately we have all been given a slice of love from our Father, to see us through along our way.
None of what you say is scriptural starting with your first sentence. If what I copied out of the Bible is full of flaws, then your beef is with the Bible, not with me.

Been an eye opener talking with you. Ciao.
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MSNBC political analyst fired for blaming Charlie Kirk assassination on 'hate speech'

I am still sad and feel sad for what has happened. Not just for Kirk and his family and loved ones. But for the the world. For how we as humans have decended to a point where its now ok to kill others for simply having a different belief.

I think now people will be scared to speak truths. What does this say for any other person who may be out there professing their belief to the world. Is not part of being a Christian is to proclaim the gospel to the world.

Does this now mean that Christians are at risk as well. Is this the beginning of Christian persecution as mentioned in the bible. That you will be hated for standing with Christ and attacked and killed like Christ. We have to get security for people who go out in public and speak the truth.

Or was this just a sporadic act without precedent or a cultivated idea that has risen up society wide. Such as with similar ideas to antisemetism. Is it now Jews and Christians. Is this the new group that people want to wipe out. Now I feel angry again lol. Gods 'Will' be done on earth as it is in heaven. :pray: .
I believe this can be a turning point for reflection and coming together. Hate begets more hate and violence brings more violence. At some point we have to turn the other cheek and meet that hate with Christs example.

As others have said we have two choices ahead. One that will bring more of the same or one that will change the course of history. Hopefully everyone will at least stop and reflect and get back to the truth principles that Charlie stood for. Maybe in his death people can come together.
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Normandt' meditations

230. Living right





Solomon is the son of David and he becomes king of Israel. He is at a stage in his life where he understands the need to become one of God’s friends.



He wants to follow a straight path and become more anchored in the truth. He wishes to do well as a child who knows he’s loved. Solomon has a special relationship with God.



King Solomon gives us a very good idea of a person who lives a conversion. He leaped faithfully. He asks God:

“Give your servant, therefore, an understanding heart to judge your people and to distinguish right from wrong. For who is able to govern this vast people of yours?” 1 Kings, chapter 3, verse 9

Judgment is not a method of judging recklessly the negative experience of the lives of others. Instead, it’s a way of being awake to what others are living, praying for them and guiding them to God when necessary.



We could say, “Give us a heart of judgment to love our neighbour, to discern between good and evil. To help in the good and to deliver evil to God. Who could love without you, God?”

Discerning between good and evil is an open door to conversion because it helps us, with good judgment, to better turn away from evil, move toward Love, to God and to give him a place in our lives.



King Solomon asks for something just, basic and at the same time major to God for the foundation of his faith, to watch over the people of God. Let’s imagine the graces for employees when the boss asks God to govern rightfully!



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: Joy in heaven, Normand Thomas
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Sortition: a completely different model for democracy - representation by random selection - like a giant pool of jurors!

It sounds like you are arguing for a technocracy, where only those with a university degree have a place in leadership. Do I understand you correctly?
Aren't you the one that was arguing for a professional class of politician? The most had PhDs?

Sortition is the exact sort of thing that could defeat a technocracy. We're currently heading towards a technocracy with billionaires like Elon Musk buying x and filtering the algorithm. X was definitely part of the reason MAGA won the last election.

And in the brexit debate in the UK, the technocratic influence was felt when Cambridge analytica used Facebook data to track and mislead the UK's alternative right. The technocrats are winning in the current system! This person raised the fact that we'd be run by technocrats under this other model

And that's in a system where 66% of the population did not vote for Donald Trump!

A third didn't vote at all.

Another third didn't vote for Trump.

So only a third DID vote for Trump. And yet the majority have to live with the consequences of having a president with narcissistic personality disorder in the oval Office? How is that fair?

How is that even a democracy?!
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Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with trans partner who is now cooperating with FBI: officials

I think that sometimes the police say that other's are cooperating so that it will put pressure on the suspect to talk. If so, I hope that it works especially if it takes the death penalty off the table. I do think a plea bargain of life without parole is a good deal. Otherwise, there would be a risk of jury nullification from a sympathizer. Robinson also needs to talk about who gave him support. So lots of work still in store for the police.
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The Unprofitable Servant

Harmony can often be a difficult prospect. This one might challenge your spiritual dynamic, and is really meant to punch some holes in the fleshly doctrinal boats:

Jesus, directing this statement to His disciples,

Luke 17:10
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

I can only imagine what we are called if we do less than those things we are commanded, if we do all and are still then directed by our Lord, by our Lord no less, to call ourselves "UNPROFITABLE SERVANTS."

Gotta love a good non positive confession, huh?

Now where the rub comes in is here, oh unprofitable servants:

Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Hmmmm? And all the disciples reading these Words of His start to wonder how they are going to talk their way out of this one.

Who then can be saved?

Silliness. You're saying there's no consquences to failing to choose the right "if". What happens to those who don't remain in Him? Is He not telling us that we must be in Him with that verse, with that "if"? "Apart from Me you can do nothing" He tells us following that "if"-and that we'll be branches to be burned if apart from Him.

Jesus never set any conditions? First of all we must believe; that's a condition. And we must profess that belief. And we must obey the commandments, Matt 19:17 And we must love, John 13. Commands and conditions. We must be pure of heart in order to see God, Matt 5. We must clean the inside in order for the outside to be clean, Matt 23. We must forgive others in order to be forgiven by God, Matt 6.
I'm saying your theology is silly because it doesn't line up with anything the Bible says. You keep making silly claims, which are based on your private opinion. You haven't found a single verse to support your claim, so I have no choice other than to dismiss them as silly private opinions, without any Biblical foundation.

I see you're still struggling with the meaning of simple words ;like "if" and "you must" and "I command you". Jesus never commanded anyone to believe in Him, you show me a single verse where He made any such "demands" "commands" or placed any "requirements" for salvation and then you're doctrine will be justified. But until then, nobody will take it seriously, since there are billions of different opinions based on feelings and emotions.

Jesus is not into self mutilation, like those poor people who cut themselves to express their frustration and hurt. Why would Jesus allow the scoffers to strip Him naked, nail Him to a cross and torture Him to death, in order to save me a sinner, then one day turn on me and cut me from His Body and cast me into the lake of fire.
That Jesus sounds like an unstable man with multiple personality disorders and a sever mental illness.

But the Jesus of the Bible will never leave me, nor forsake me. He didn't say, I have saved you, but you better not step out of line or I will go back on My Word.
I personally, would have no respect for a Jesus who lied to me and I certainly wouldn't worship Him.

You won't find a single verse to support the idea that those who Jesus cut of and cast into the fire, were actually in Him to begin with, as that would contradict the gospel. He was describing those who come to Church and appear to be Christians outwardly, but were never truly converted.
They tasted of Gods goodness, they joined in fellowship lunch and many other blessings but they lived a double life in secret and they were eventually exposed as never being of the Brethren to begin with.
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Im bad with names

Half of the voters are liberal democrat and half are conservative republican. Which side should give into the other to achieve unity?

I would say half the voters have to vote for liberal Democrats and half the voters have to vote for conservative Republicans. Most of the people I know and myself don't really fit into a party of all or nothing. Perhaps if there were more choices instead of the person picked by party leadership.
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Erika Kirk Delivers Powerful National Address, Says Movement Will Not Die

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

Edit: sorry. I was groggy when I responded.

Jesus is saying here loving your neighbor is analogous to loving God, the two are tied together in Christian theology and ethics. The Greek word for "like" is homoios, and in the first century context, it carries the weight of analogy, which is more than simply a resemblance in the modern sense; it implies ontological or metaphysical participation. This is why Jesus says in Matthew 25, whatever you did to the least of these, you did to me.
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