Well now that I'm pretty much unclogged, I'm thinking easier.
It came to me while I was thinking about and praying for a certain someone.
I certainly now don't believe they're at all narc.
No do I think they're ASPD. With all the little things that they've dropped here & there. Even if it were one with ASPD putting on something fake, I doubt they would be that subtle about it. Too much subtle feeling.
So again I'm thinking- if anything HPD...still a slight chance of BPD.
I'm doubting it though, I mean I hear the "woe" of the HPD, but not a lot (if any) of self doubt or self- attack that seems to go with BPD.
The way they present themself isn't NPD or ASPD at all. It's possible that one with ASPD could make themselves appear in such a way, but again I think they couldn't carry off the more subtle things.
So it came to me about the "Cluster B's":& personas: like to those with HPD it's important for them to think of themselves (see themselves) as "good, caring people".
They would prefer others see themselves that way as well.
For the most part those with ASPD don't care much how others see them, as long as they get what they want. They on the other hand have a need to see themselves as cunning, slick, intellegent, & or logical. lol those with NPD have to see themselves as perfect, ok well at least people great worth & value, enititled.
Needless to say these people maintain these images of themselves (or try very hard to) in their own eyes- even in the fa ce of facts & reality showing them otherwise. I think of the criminnal that lands in jail, the NPD who loses their job, the HPD with relatives around them who don't feel loved etc..
So it came to me, I could see clearer one of the "inner conflits" of those with HPD. I do believ there is genuine desire to care for tohers, to love, be merciful, and desire to be a "good person". However, there is also self-centeredness there, and this overrides and is greater than the other.
I think God would say to them, if you genuiinely want to love- you have to put aside yourself your self centered irresponsibilty, lying, gossip... you have to put yourself & your emotional needs behind. Some might say then it isn't genuiine at all- that they are fake people. I say no, it's just a matter of priority. The good things are there, they're just not #1, God isn't #1 (lol even then it can be hard)
God is always connected to the pictures somewhere...
LIke it seems to me most with HPD consider God, say they believe in Him, some claim
to follow him. Like it seems most of those with ASPD don't, to me it's either they are so filled with their won ways (independent, self-willed not wiling to surender their will) or they are so high on their own "intellegence" & logical ability that they have decided they are too "smart" to believe in any God, and seems many are atheists.
As for those with NPD, I think 2 things: either they will claim to take on any faith that is culterally acceptable in order to fit in with the image they want to present, & or they like religions\denmoinations where they can be "religious" meaning like benig able to show that they can be self righteous, perfect and do all the duties just fine- like JW's. They seem to have a hard time "getting the understanding of a personal relationship with God, & or also "spirituality" ( which seems the opposite of those with HPD) LOL so if you were to ask those with NPD & those with HPD what being a floower of God means- I'm sure they'd give totally different descriptions.
LOL and the one with ASPD who isn't saved would probably give this long dry diatribe like religion being the opiate of the ignorant masses or either say "Who the -beep- cares, I live however I want!"...
I know I'm leaving out BPD, becauses for some reason I'm drawing a blank today so maybe that means I should go readover stuff again and refresh my memory.
Its just not coming to me, what is most important for them to see themselves as- in control? That would be ironic- it would have to be in control of other people, because they seem the least of all the Clusters B's - to be in control of themselves.
Hmm like they don't want others to be able to control them or others to be the ones in control- but it sure seems the opposite.Like it seems they go out their way to try to control & manipulate others & others reactions emotions etc. Yet, for the most part they acn't get a grip for themselves. Some (who I guess I are doing better) seem to be able\ have gotten a grip on some areas of their lives. Yet there sems to always be at least a couple areas where they don't seem to have that self control.
So again irony (maybe that's God's way of trying to show some kind of lesson) that they would seem to be so obsessed about control over others.
Hmm so maybe (like Jesus irony when he says if you want to gain your life you have to lose it, and how that applies to the HPD on this search for love) the more they focus on and are able to have more SELF control, the less they desire to control others....maybe?
...still can't think of what that translates into as far as a self-image statement.
Of course when it comes down to it, some of these roots are so strong in people, that only God can help us overcome these inclinations.
Well I need to go for now..
ROFL what they're just writing confirms my thoughts... yep the woe & sufferings of those with HPD...
yes I too have said similar grand statements, just not out in public (maybe it's that logicalness of the ASPD type side that keeps me from). Either they are feeling it & mean it or they are kind of feeling it and are putting out a plea, so that people can prove how much they care etc....
Ha, to me that makes no sense! And then what if the desired responses don't come in??? Then you'll feeel even worse- plus you ended up looking foolish & despirate
Sorry...
It came to me while I was thinking about and praying for a certain someone.
I certainly now don't believe they're at all narc.
No do I think they're ASPD. With all the little things that they've dropped here & there. Even if it were one with ASPD putting on something fake, I doubt they would be that subtle about it. Too much subtle feeling.
So again I'm thinking- if anything HPD...still a slight chance of BPD.
I'm doubting it though, I mean I hear the "woe" of the HPD, but not a lot (if any) of self doubt or self- attack that seems to go with BPD.
The way they present themself isn't NPD or ASPD at all. It's possible that one with ASPD could make themselves appear in such a way, but again I think they couldn't carry off the more subtle things.
So it came to me about the "Cluster B's":& personas: like to those with HPD it's important for them to think of themselves (see themselves) as "good, caring people".
They would prefer others see themselves that way as well.
For the most part those with ASPD don't care much how others see them, as long as they get what they want. They on the other hand have a need to see themselves as cunning, slick, intellegent, & or logical. lol those with NPD have to see themselves as perfect, ok well at least people great worth & value, enititled.
Needless to say these people maintain these images of themselves (or try very hard to) in their own eyes- even in the fa ce of facts & reality showing them otherwise. I think of the criminnal that lands in jail, the NPD who loses their job, the HPD with relatives around them who don't feel loved etc..
So it came to me, I could see clearer one of the "inner conflits" of those with HPD. I do believ there is genuine desire to care for tohers, to love, be merciful, and desire to be a "good person". However, there is also self-centeredness there, and this overrides and is greater than the other.
I think God would say to them, if you genuiinely want to love- you have to put aside yourself your self centered irresponsibilty, lying, gossip... you have to put yourself & your emotional needs behind. Some might say then it isn't genuiine at all- that they are fake people. I say no, it's just a matter of priority. The good things are there, they're just not #1, God isn't #1 (lol even then it can be hard)
God is always connected to the pictures somewhere...
LIke it seems to me most with HPD consider God, say they believe in Him, some claim
to follow him. Like it seems most of those with ASPD don't, to me it's either they are so filled with their won ways (independent, self-willed not wiling to surender their will) or they are so high on their own "intellegence" & logical ability that they have decided they are too "smart" to believe in any God, and seems many are atheists.
As for those with NPD, I think 2 things: either they will claim to take on any faith that is culterally acceptable in order to fit in with the image they want to present, & or they like religions\denmoinations where they can be "religious" meaning like benig able to show that they can be self righteous, perfect and do all the duties just fine- like JW's. They seem to have a hard time "getting the understanding of a personal relationship with God, & or also "spirituality" ( which seems the opposite of those with HPD) LOL so if you were to ask those with NPD & those with HPD what being a floower of God means- I'm sure they'd give totally different descriptions.
LOL and the one with ASPD who isn't saved would probably give this long dry diatribe like religion being the opiate of the ignorant masses or either say "Who the -beep- cares, I live however I want!"...
I know I'm leaving out BPD, becauses for some reason I'm drawing a blank today so maybe that means I should go readover stuff again and refresh my memory.
Its just not coming to me, what is most important for them to see themselves as- in control? That would be ironic- it would have to be in control of other people, because they seem the least of all the Clusters B's - to be in control of themselves.
Hmm like they don't want others to be able to control them or others to be the ones in control- but it sure seems the opposite.Like it seems they go out their way to try to control & manipulate others & others reactions emotions etc. Yet, for the most part they acn't get a grip for themselves. Some (who I guess I are doing better) seem to be able\ have gotten a grip on some areas of their lives. Yet there sems to always be at least a couple areas where they don't seem to have that self control.
So again irony (maybe that's God's way of trying to show some kind of lesson) that they would seem to be so obsessed about control over others.
Hmm so maybe (like Jesus irony when he says if you want to gain your life you have to lose it, and how that applies to the HPD on this search for love) the more they focus on and are able to have more SELF control, the less they desire to control others....maybe?
...still can't think of what that translates into as far as a self-image statement.
Of course when it comes down to it, some of these roots are so strong in people, that only God can help us overcome these inclinations.
Well I need to go for now..
ROFL what they're just writing confirms my thoughts... yep the woe & sufferings of those with HPD...
yes I too have said similar grand statements, just not out in public (maybe it's that logicalness of the ASPD type side that keeps me from). Either they are feeling it & mean it or they are kind of feeling it and are putting out a plea, so that people can prove how much they care etc....
Ha, to me that makes no sense! And then what if the desired responses don't come in??? Then you'll feeel even worse- plus you ended up looking foolish & despirate
Sorry...