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Nicene Creed

  1. Now most here consider themselves Nicene Creed believers... a dear brother here recently mentioned this in a discussion on baptism, as did I in my now closed teaching thread on baptism, so I want to rehash this. What does the Nicene Creed say?

    I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

    Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

    And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

    And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. (As per https://www.ccel.org/creeds/nicene.creed.html)

    Read that last paragraph again...

    And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Now what does the second sentence say of the last paragraph of the Nicene Creed? I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins

    Now before we say, well there are many baptisms listed in scripture so which one are we talking about?

    There is only one baptism in scripture that is linked with remission of sins...

    Acts 2:38
    Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

    This is the only baptism in scripture that is linked with that effect. So it is clear that the Nicene Creed is focusing this baptism on water baptism. They also undoubtedly pulled this statement from Paul's scriptural creed in Ephesians 4:4-6

    4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    ONE BAPTISM

    Now yes, there are many baptisms listed in the New Covenant. You have the baptism of death (Luke 12:50), the baptism of the Spirit (Acts 1:4-5), and water baptism (Matthew 28:19).

    Now context is everything in scripture study. What baptism is Paul speaking of here in context? Only twice in Ephesians does Paul mention baptism, first here in Ephesians 4:5, and then again in Ephesians 5:26:

    Eph 5:25-26 ESV

    25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

    Cleansed her (the church) by the washing of water with the word.

    Clearly a reference to water baptism. You can't hash that any other way.

    Those are the only two instances of baptism in Ephesians. So within the immediate context, Paul is speaking in Ephesians 4:4-6 of one baptism in water.

    The Nicene Creed clearly supports the idea of water baptism for the remission of sins as Peter and the early church preached. So do you really agree with and hold to the Nicene Creed?

    I understand it is just a document made by man to help explain the common faith. It is subject to error and not binding in any way. But if you say you agree with it, then do you really or just the parts that you accept and line up with YOUR UNDERSTANDING of scripture?

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  1. Philip_B
    In fairness, in in accordance with the general use in the Church generally, the Creed of 381 from the First Council of Constantinople is generally referred to as the Nicene Creed, and it is the Creed that CF refers to clearly in the Statement of Faith under the heading Nicene Creed. It is of course the revision of the Work of the First Council of Nicaea in 325, so it is the Nicene Creed.

    I am a Nicene Christian, and whilst I accept that now we see only in part, as in a mirror dimly, there shall come a time when we will see more clearly and understand even as we have been fully understood. Until that day I will live by the Creed that the whole Church in undivided Council declared to be the faith of the Church.
  2. DeaconDean
    My only comment here would be, that is not the Nicene Creed.

    The Nicene Creed of AD 325 reads:

    "Credimus in unum Deum
    patrem omnipotentem,
    omnium visibilium et invisibilium factorem.
    Et in unum Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum
    filium Dei,
    natum ex Patre unigenitum,
    hoc est, de substantia Patris,
    Deum ex Deo,
    lumen ex lumine,
    Deum verum de Deo vero,
    natum non factum,
    unius substantiae cum Patre, quod graece dicunt homousion,
    per quem omnia facta sunt quae in coelo et in terra,
    qui propter nostram salutem descendit,
    incarnatus est,
    et homo factus est,
    et passus est,
    et resurrexit tertia die,
    et adscendit in coelos,
    venturus judicare vivos et mortuos.
    Et in Spiritum sanctum.
    Eos autem, qui dicunt, Erat quando non erat,
    et ante quam nasceretur non erat,
    et quod de non exstantibus factus est,
    vel ex alia substantia aut essentia, dicentes convertibilem et demutabilem Deum:
    hos anathematizat catholica Ecclesia."

    English:

    "We believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of all things visible and invisible;
    And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the Son of God,
    begotten from the Father, only-begotten,
    that is, from the substance of the Father,
    God from God,
    light from light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten not made,
    of one substance with the Father,
    through Whom all things came into being,
    things in heaven and things on earth,
    Who because of us men and because of our salvation came down,
    and became incarnate
    and became man,
    and suffered,
    and rose again on the third day,
    and ascended to the heavens,
    and will come to judge the living and dead,
    And in the Holy Spirit.
    But as for those who say, There was when He was not,
    and, Before being born He was not,
    and that He came into existence out of nothing,
    or who assert that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis or substance,
    or created,
    or is subject to alteration or change
    - these the Catholic and apostolic Church anathematizes."

    What you quote from is the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed of AD 381.
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    1. ByTheSpirit
      I did not know that. Thanks for providing that information, I will look into it :)
  3. Strider1002
    I'm not a Nicene believer. I'm a Bible believer. The Bible is complete and everything we need.
    And, yes, there is only one baptism in the Bible: water immersion in the Name of Jesus Christ.
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