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You know things are bad when even Chris Matthews is taking our side...

Discussion in 'OBOB General Politics Forum' started by Michie, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    Stay tuned. This story does seem to be getting traction. I noticed that CBS News ran the contraception controversy as the second item on tonight’s Evening News, and included an interview with CUA President John Garvey. An otherwise decent report was flubbed, however...

    You know things are bad when even Chris Matthews is taking our side...
     
  2. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote

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    Yes, Chris Mathews doesn't want to see Obama lose on a technicality, either.

    Obama has nine months till the election. At some point, if he didn't have to face an election, people might come around to his point of view...

    That would be in 2014, perhaps....

    Birth control would be fully covered for two years then...and chances are the abortion rate would fall dramatically, perhaps 20%, perhaps 25%, perhaps even more.

    And the President could say, "That's what we wanted to do, decrease abortions."

    I think that most people in the U.S. (and I am not necessarily one of those) would agree that 800,000 little martyrs to their mothers' immaturity and fear is an improvement over 800,000 little martyrs to their mothers' immaturity and fear plus another 200,000 little martyrs to the scruples of the religious right.

    But the President doesn't have the luxury of a few years to show how many lives his mandate saved....

    He can't afford to lose on a technicality.
     
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  3. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    Of course, that flies in the face of common sense. The contraceptive mentality is the gateway *to* abortion--it doesn't *discourage* it. Women are told that they have a *right* to decide not to be co-creators with God when it comes to human life. (They are supposed to be able to prevent the very reason God made man and woman.) So the woman takes contraceptives, but one month the contraceptive doesn't work (even the "pill" isn't 100% foolproof and condoms are only 80% foolproof). Anyway, since the woman still has been brainwashed to think she can "play" but not have any consequences, the logical choice is abortion. Planned Parenthood knows it--counts on it. Cha-ching for them. Misery for the woman. Death for the child.
     
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    BabyChristian22 Newbie

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    "I guess I grew up watching movies like Becket and A Man for All Seasons and seeing the church and state go to war with each other and being told stories from the Old Testament about the Maccabees, about people, families being told you got to eat pork. The state requires you to do it. It gets to that interesting point to me, which is frightening, when the state tells the church what to do. And then the church can no longer teach. If the church teaches it’s morally wrong to use birth control, how can you make the teacher pay for birth control without losing their authority, their moral authority? That’s what the church is afraid of. If they start financing, under the law, what they are called to do, do they have any more credibility on the issue of birth control or anything else? That’s what I think is the concern here. It’s a political issue. I agree. If you can make them do it, they can’t teach it anymore." -Chris Matthews
     
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    BabyChristian22 Newbie

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    America's hope for freedom can't afford for Obama to win. America was founded because people, especially Catholics, weren't free to practice their religion in England. Now because of Obama and the Democrats, here we go again.
     
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  6. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    Every so often I read something so....interesting....that I can't believe what I just read. That was very...interesting....Baby.
     
  7. Vasallus

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    So somehow this will DECREASE abortions? My head hurts.
     
  8. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote

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    It works in western Europe, where the per capita abortion rate is roughly 1/6 that of the U.S. (and where abortions after 12 weeks are almost always banned.)

    But I know that it makes conservatives feel good to believe that if contraceptives did not exist there would be no premarital, extramarital, or gay sex; no venereal disease; no AIDS; and no abortion.

    If contraception did not exist, "The 40 Year Old Virgin" would be the norm and "Sex in the City" would be renamed "Chastity in the City."

    Yes, fantasies can be comforting, but living in a fantasy world is dangerous. But I recognize the emotional need for them, so, if they comfort you, fine.
     
  9. Cosmic Charlie

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    Oh, may.

    That is an ....interesting....quote.
     
  10. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    So the end justifies the means.

    I've heard that somewhere before....who said that?

    Was it Joseph Goebbels, or Hermann Goering?
     
  11. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    You don't know that Catholics in England were not allowed to practice their faith openly? They were hunted down, tortured and killed if discovered? (I do genealogy and according to some sources, one of my distant relatives participated in some sort of Catholic raid in the 1600s and was hung from the Tower of London--all his lands were taken and his widow and 17 children forced to convert or face death.) Even that Christmas song, "The Twelve Days of Christmas" was a hidden catechism for Catholics? There is even a suggestion that Shakespeare was among the "hidden Catholics"--or at least his father was. Honestly, under those circumstances of lack of religious freedom, is it any wonder that some Catholics would flee to a place where they *could* practice their religion openly?
     
  12. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    Littereally millions of people have probably uttered that phrase, but it is attributed to Niccolo di Bernardo dei Machiavelli.
     
  13. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    I'm going to wuote that statement again.


    You cannot agree with this statement and have any knowledge of American history. The United States did not come to be primarily because Catholics were not given religious freedom in England. If England had a Catholic population of zero, Maryland's history would be a bit different but the revolution would likely still have taken place and with a similar outcome.
     
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  14. cajunhillbilly

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    Correct. It was not just Catholics who sought religious freedoms, but Puritans, Quakers, etc. And it is true that Catholics were persecuted and killed by the state church of England, but so were the Puritans, etc. And Catholics killed Protestants as well as Protestants killing Catholics. We ALL have much to repent of in this area. The way fellow believers have treated each other is unbelievable. We all need to ask God's forgiveness and each other's forgiveness in this area. :amen::crossrc:
     
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