would God ever lead someone away from the Church?

[benedictaoo]

Rhamiel, but the deal is this; ppl can be willfully ignorant, they want to believe what they want and they do not want to be corrected. They do not want to accept a view other then their own and hey call it conscious or conviction.

Shrug... what do you do with that?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I agree. If you absolutely know something is the truth and walk away that would be wrong.

but there are also people who just don't care enough to seek the truth, or seek it in a biased way. Sometimes we think we are sincere but we really aren't. This has happened to me.

 

[benedictaoo]

I agree. If you absolutely know something is the truth and walk away that would be wrong.

vincible vrs invincible, is what it all boils down to.

 

[benedictaoo]

but there are also people who just don't care enough to seek the truth, or seek it in a biased way. Sometimes we think we are sincere but we really aren't. This has happened to me.

This is why jesus says we have to become a little child if we are ever going to make it.

 

[kisstheson]

Rhamiel, but the deal is this; ppl can be willfully ignorant, they want to believe what they want and they do not want to be corrected. They do not want to accept a view other then their own and hey call it conscious or conviction.

Shrug... what do you do with that?

what to do about that? you are judging another person's heart and why they don't believe as you do.

I'm happy you are a Catholic...really.

 

[Lady Bug]

Some people believe that simply because they don't believe it is the truth, that is tantamount to "not knowing the truth."

You (general sense) can't necessarily disbelieve in something and deliberately act as if it is simple ignorance of not knowing it's truth.

I'm not saying all people do this. But I sense that some do and that peeves me.

 

[kisstheson]

but there are also people who just don't care enough to seek the truth, or seek it in a biased way. Sometimes we think we are sincere but we really aren't. This has happened to me.

Amen. Only God alone knows the thoughts and intentions of our hearts.

 

[benedictaoo]

what to do about that? you are judging another person's heart and why they don't believe as you do.

I'm happy you are a Catholic...really.

Nope not judging any one's heart... that is the point, we can not. not even you can judge yourself. only the Lord knows why a person rejects and if God is leading and granting the grace, and a person willfully remains ignorant-- ??? is all we are saying.

 

[benedictaoo]

Some people believe that simply because they don't believe it is the truth, that is tantamount to "not knowing the truth."

You (general sense) can't necessarily disbelieve in something and act as if it is simple ignorance of not knowing it's truth.

Exactly.

What is just an excuse "I just don't believe" and what is truly disbelief through no fault of yours.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

This is why jesus says we have to become a little child if we are ever going to make it.

I find that is so hard for me though I do not know how.

Some people believe that simply because they don't believe it is the truth, that is tantamount to "not knowing the truth."

You (general sense) can't necessarily disbelieve in something and deliberately act as if it is simple ignorance of not knowing it's truth.

I'm not saying all people do this. But I sense that some do and that peeves me.

actually this is true.. we can't say who exactly does this and who doesn't, but it's very probable that some people do.

Amen. Only God alone knows the thoughts and intentions of our hearts.

yes, but we do not always know our own intentions. the heart is deceitful above all things. people are good at convincing themselves of things. Last December, I really felt that God was leading me to believe in the Eucharist, yet I knew this would mean leaving my non denom church and I didn't want to... so I tried convincing myself of all kinds of things just to escape these thoughts, and actually it worked... I was a happy Protestant again.. for a while. Eventually God convinced me about the Eucharist, and it happened pretty dramatically cause I was so resistant. To this day I don't know why He didn't just give up on me and leave me in the non denom church, but I'm glad He didn't.

 

[benedictaoo]

yes, but we do not always know our own intentions. the heart is deceitful above all things. people are good at convincing themselves of things. Last December, I really felt that God was leading me to believe in the Eucharist, yet I knew this would mean leaving my non denom church and I didn't want to... so I tried convincing myself of all kinds of things just to escape these thoughts, and actually it worked... I was a happy Protestant again.. for a while. Eventually God convinced me about the Eucharist, and it happened pretty dramatically cause I was so resistant. To this day I don't know why He didn't just give up on me and leave me in the non denom church, but I'm glad He didn't.

"To know thyself..." someone said that, don't know who but it's a tremendous grace and blessing to know yourself.