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Women responsible for sodomy?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by dad, May 31, 2009.

  1. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    No one is talking about natural pauses. Only selfish causes!!
     
  2. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Of course they are, you are sadly misinformed.



    Says you, not the bible. Work on that. Men can't withhold if a girl wants either...

    Not witholding is a major part of that.


    No!!! In no way is that remotely close to a shadow of a third cousin, of a friend of the step sister of the truth!



    Tough! Deal with it, no witholding. Not for Christians. The issue is not natural pause, only selfish cause.

    No, actually, there is no freedon at all there. None. Sex must be freely given.

    You no likey verses? Too bad. Why would I care about your opinion? They are a penny a thousand.



    False! They are married, so have a marriage. Live with it. The time to be foot loose and fancy free is before you marry. After, there are obligations. Such is life.



    No need, the word is already given and clear, and supercedes all laws of men forever.

    Tough! Sex is not negotiable. Really. Ever. World without end. Amen and halelujah.


    Nope. I disagree. That sort of spiritual influence comes to the fore after a series of steps.

    Meaningless drivel. Men are men.



    It could, and does, for other reasons, but women making the sex pool real small is part of the problem. No doubt. Math is on my side here.

    No. There are many ways people deal with things. But if she witholds, he likely will withold stuff on his end from her as well. What goes around comes around.

    Having a skin free heart has zero to do with suffering from the selfishness of a woman's selfish, ungodly denial. If she had such a heart there would be no selfish denial to begin with. Take the blame.
     
  3. ERice2nd

    ERice2nd Senior Member

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    I hate to tell you this, but if the woman does not want Sex, then there better be no sex, or its rape. there are a few verses in the bible which speak against that as well (cant remember where they are).

    Same if the man does not want sex. there has to be mutual consent when it comes to sex or its rape, plain and simple.
     
  4. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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  5. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    Keeping context in mind, which woman was God talking to in that verse?




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    Bumping, since Dad conveniently ignored my post.
     
  7. dad

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    I don't believe you, hate to say. Funny you forgot to mention them. You are simply wrong. Look it up sometime. Rape, of course is wrong. Nothing to do with married believers, of course. They already consented.

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  8. dad

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    Your quote sounds pretty good. Is there something in there I am supposed to disagree with? Point it out, at least, what you read into it, that you somehow think applies..:)
     
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    All the women on earth, of course. You think you know of any others hiding somewhere at the time? No exceptions there, sorry!


     
  10. BelindaP

    BelindaP Senior Contributor

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    If you agree with my quote, you wouldn't be positing that women are responsible for sodomy. Everyone is responsible for his/her own sin. No excuses, no exceptions.
     
  11. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    That would be my point exactly -- there was rather a scarcity of women
    running around at the point where God said what He did in Genesis 3:16. Read
    the passage again. Who was God speaking to specifically when He said what
    He did?




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  12. dad

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    Except the quote never addressed that, even remotely. That is why you are going to have to show us what in there you thought was supposed to do so. Just as I asked. No wiggling.
     
  13. dad

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    Scarcity? On the contrary, EVERY man had one! Is there some reasomn we can assume that God now sends more women, so that men have more now? Please back that puppy up!
     
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    Meanwhile, despite man's tinkering in things like gender preference in Asia, etc, there still seems to be the balance! Accident? No.

    USA Sex ratio:
    at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
    under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
    15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
    65 years and over: 0.72 male(s)/female
    total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2006 est.)

    World Sex ratio:
    at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
    under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
    15-64 years: 1.03 male(s)/female
    65 years and over: 0.79 male(s)/female
    total population: 1.01 male(s)/female (2006 est.)
    Source(s):

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac...



    That's just how it is.
     
  15. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    Context, context, context.

    We're talking about Genesis 3:16, so we can consider that puppy officially
    backed. Up. :)

    The world population was how many at that precise time?

    Remember, think Genesis. 3:16.

    Who specifically is God speaking to in that passage?





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    The human race was who He was addressing! In particular, the mother of the race! Specifically, what her curse was, and how it was now going to be. Is there something you are missing here? In modern times we also see a balance between male and female. I can prove that by the way. He spoke of the seeds of the woman. !!! You cannot deny that refers to the future humans, and He was addressing them, i.e the females of the future right there! Gotcha!

    There is simply not a billion girls that we can take out of the market, without seeing sodomy increase. There is a connection. Sex is very much related to the female of the species, in case that is news to you. As she goes, so goes mankind. Women are responsible for sodomy! Cause and effect. Sin, such as extreme selfishness, results in manifestions like sodomy, and killing babies.


    Really. They may not point the finger and snicker, it is they that are to blame at least 100% as much as males, maybe more.

    The sin is one of mankind, not men only, that is just the tip of the iceberg. Consider yourself informed and enlightened now. It is hot stuff.
     
  17. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    Gen. 3:16
    To the woman He said,
    "I will greatly multiply
    Your pain in childbirth,
    In pain you will bring forth children;
    Yet your desire will be for your husband,
    And he will rule over you."


    Four indicators I see that God was not necessarily making a general
    proclamation to all women for all time (especially since Eve was the
    only female in the audience at that point anyway), but was instead
    speaking to Eve specifically:
    1. Not all women since that time have given birth at all,
    let alone painfully.


    2. Not all women since that time who have given birth
    have experienced pain in doing so.


    3. Not all women since that time have been married, so
    they wouldn’t have husbands to desire to begin with.


    4. Not all women since that time who do have husbands
    have been particularly thrilled with them that they would
    be desiring them.

    Now, I don’t know about you, but I have given birth. Having
    borne two children myself, my experience is that the pain was
    “greatly diminished” – actually, for the 2nd delivery, it was
    eliminated completely. So if what God said to Eve were to be taken
    as a broad-brush prophecy applicable to all women everywhere for
    all time, no exceptions, there’s a problem: it hasn’t been true for all
    women everywhere for all time with no exceptions, now, has it?

    No.

    So, we have a couple of choices here. Either
    A. God was lying or mistaken when He said what He did
    in that passage, or


    B. He was speaking to Eve directly.

    I'm going with option B. You?







     
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    Compared to before, all are painful. Trust God on that one.

    See above. Relativity is a good concept.

    Or particularly thrilled with God, or desiring Him either, I might add. He represents God to them anyhow. Their reation to him is their reaction to Him!!!!!!!!
    But those that do live a fairly normal in the true sense life, like the majority of people that ever lived ( :) ) have have married. No? If a woman happens to get possessed, or on drugs, or into other women, or so selfish she wants only herself, etc etc..that does not take away from the advice to mankind. ​
    Whether Jesus also raised you from the dead that changes nothing! You will still die., And women give birth in pain, compared to what it was. Don't pretend.



    False. Your birth was not without pain. That is an option you ought to face. Not all women have extreme pain. No one said that was so. Believers also are often in line for extra mercy. That changes nothing. God was right.
    That's just how it really is.
     
  19. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    The average age of a young man 'coming out' is in his teens - well under the average age people get married. So if men become gay because their sexual needs are not met by women then that means they are demanding sex outside of marriage but are being turned down by women. Since when was it a sin for a woman to refuse to have sex with a man she is not married too?
     
  20. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    Okay, none of this made sense. I think I need to give you a rest, LOL!:)



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