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Women responsible for sodomy?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by dad, May 31, 2009.

  1. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Men need sex? Unto him shall be the desire. Did you think that meant the desire to go shopping???! :)
     
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    Jesus' 40 day temptation involved food, a need. Satan offered him bread. Jesus was tempted by his flesh. His flesh told him he needed food. Now, he did not accept it because it would have been a sin, even though his body needed it. And thus he was still without sin.

    You are to be more like Jesus, not running after the desires of the flesh, otherwise you are still speaking from the flesh, a carnal spirit. That is what this whole discussion has been about. One only needs to look at the fruit of one's spirit.

    Galatians 5
    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.
     
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    This is not biblical. The pharisees asked if they could divorce (put away) their wives for any reason.
    Matthew 19

    3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

    4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
    7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for fornication (sexual immorality), and marries another woman commits adultery."

    Please, at least listen to Jesus.
     
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    It is a difference between the law and the spirit. The natural man can not obey the law, it is not possible. But the man born of the spirit, from him flows from his heart love from the Holy Spirit that he has recieved, and love does no harm, even to his wife, even if she withholds, and the wife gives freely to the husband what he needs for she is not self- seeking either and love flows freely from her heart, for 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13
     
  5. chaela

    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    Of course it means shopping! :)
    Seriously, though, where in Scripture are you getting this phrase "Unto him
    shall be the desire"? There's no context surrounding it. Do you have the
    coordinates (chapter, verse #, etc)?
     
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    chaela I could be wrong. True story.

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    HmmmÂ… I could be wrong, but I think I've got a hunch as to why that is. [​IMG]



     
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    How can you possibly say "so"?

    Why do you assume that other people would develop homosexual desires based on deprivation when you do not? Are they just weaker than you?
     
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    There is FAR more evidence for the fact that any sex outside the marriage bed is fornication; compared to homosexuality, in which there is only one verse in the NT I believe.

    It's cherry picking at it's best.
     
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    Makes me wonder what a wife is to do for the six weeks after she gives birth, in which she can't give him sex. He might die if he doesn't fornicate with another woman?
     
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    BelindaP Senior Contributor

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    If a man can wait the 20-odd years before getting married to have sex, he can surely wait a few days for his wife to get in the mood. Saying that men are so weak that they can't keep it in their pants if their wife has a headache does a great disservice to men.

    Also, if a man concentrated on pleasing his wife in a sexual encounter, she'd be a lot more likely to 'submit' more frequently. One common denominator I've seen in men who whine about their wives' low libidos is selfishness in the marriage bed. You gotta give an incentive.

    Remember that husband and wife are to submit themselves to one another. And, the man is to love his wife as Jesus loved the church. Jesus gave up a whole lot for the church--a lot more than sexual gratification.
     
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    AMEN BelindaP :amen:

    My thoughts exactly. Women have sexual needs too and its up to the men to meet them just as dad says the woman should meet the man's. it up to the two of them to please each other and frankly, in all of my encounters (not very many) I have always tried to do a service for the woman, make her feel like I wanted her to feel oh so good. Mainly because I want to be able to do it again with the same woman, not a bunch of people whoever they may be, just one woman and me, exclusive, as it should be. not having that does not in any way drive me to find multiple partners, man or woman.
     
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    Ya' know, now that I think about it...

    ...weren't their women engineers who played pivotal roles in the construction of the Titanic?

    ... if I remember correctly it was MRS. O'Leary's cow, a female, that kicked over the lantern and started the Chicago fire?

    ...women Nazis had the idea of using the gas chambers at the concentration camps.

    ...if it weren't for women having bodies, there would be no pornography.

    Yep! Just further evidence that women are responsible for all the sin in this world.

    ...

    ...
     
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    LOL :)
     
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    Except for one little thing. If it is the woman that departs, it is not the man putting her away, it is her putting him away. Learn the difference.
     
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    Of course love perseveres. But if a wife withholds, she is doing anything BUT giving freely to what he needs! What, you kidding?? She that withholdeth, it tendeth to poverty! And well it should!!!!!!
     
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    Ge 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]"and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband,
    which some understand of her desire to the use of the marriage bed, as Jarchi, and even notwithstanding her sorrows and pains in child bearing; but rather this is to be understood of her being solely at the will and pleasure of her husband; that whatever she desired should be referred to him, whether she should have her desire or not, or the thing she desired; it should be liable to be controlled by his will, which must determine it, and to which she must be subject, as follows;
    [/FONT]"

    http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=3&verse=16
     
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    It is understandable that one could righteously jump to that conclusion.
     
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    Many have not the bible as a guideline. Natuarllly they are easy prey. They tend to fall for every cunning fable. And have no basis to know tight from wrong.
     
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    I disagree. Marriages end. Sex goes on forever. That's just how it is. If a believer finds themselves cast out of a marriage, they are free as free can be to go on living, and eating...and....
     
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