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Women - Not Men - Chose to be Gay?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Notedstrangeperson, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. Notedstrangeperson

    Notedstrangeperson Loudmouth

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    The title was mainly to grab your attention. :sorry:
    I have found some rather interesting research on arousal between the sexes:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030613075252.htm



    Long story short:
    • Straight men are aroused by images of women. No suprises there.
    • Gay men are aroused by images of men. Again, no surprises there.
    • Lesbians are aroused by images of both men AND women.
    • Straight women are also aroused by images of both men AND women.
    What do you think of this research? I'd like to hear from a few gay users too, religious or not. However I should also mention that they also studied post-op male-to-female transsexuals (which I think screws up the research a little).


    P.S. I remember hearing this - as a joke - in an episode of Family Guy:

    Female Character: "You're chosing not to be a lesbian?"
    Meg: "I thought being gay wasn't a choice?"
    Female Character: "For men it's not."
     
  2. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    I can see a few reasons for women being turned on by bother.

    1 - they swing both ways
    2 - Its taboo so therefore they find it hot
    3 - Visually its more satisfying
    4 - the pleasure that women receive from other women is always perceived as better, so they can see themselves receiving that higher pleasure
    5 - images of straight sex are susually teh same thing where as with lesbian action it isnt really.
     
  3. Thaeoles

    Thaeoles ?

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    Anyone can choose to sin.
     
  4. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    Dont get on your high horse.

    It is possible for a women to fall in love with a woman and a man to fall in love with a man
     
  5. Thaeoles

    Thaeoles ?

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    I agree; but, nor will I deny that sin is sin.
     
  6. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    Im not asking you to deny it.
     
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    Yarddog Senior Contributor

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    I've had a lot of personal experience being aroung lesbians and would agree that the percentage of women who can swing both ways is far greater than men. But we can't put them all or most of them in the that category. Most of the straight women I know are totally turned off by lesbians.

    Many of the lesbians had dated guys or been engaged during their teens. Mostly trying to fit in with society's rules rather than fulfill themselves.
     
  8. Polycarp1

    Polycarp1 Born-again Liberal Episcopalian

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    I suppose Calvinists have the right to believe in total depravity. I just wish they didn't feel they have to prove it. :)
     
  9. Notedstrangeperson

    Notedstrangeperson Loudmouth

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    Arguably the same goes for gay men, but they remain unattracted to women.
    But my point is if our sexual orientation is determined by our brains, they why do lesbians seem partly aroused by men, or straight women aroused by other women?

    Homosexuality has been show to be heavily (but not totally) determined by our brains, which would mean they we are unable to chose our orientation. Fetishes on the other had develop over time, and we have control over them.
    In other words, I think this particular bit of research is asking whether being gay is an orientation or a fetish.
     
  10. dies-l

    dies-l Guest

    Politics make any such research particularly subjective. If a scientist were to discover, for example, that bestiality or pedophilia were genetic determined inclinations, that scientist would likely be ostracised by the scientific community and would be accused of supporting those perversions. If, however, a scientist makes the same observation about homosexuality, the emotional reaction by his opponents will be less vocal (homosexuality is not nearly as threatening as pedophilia, for example), and he would have base of supporters to ensure that his career as a scientist would not by drastically hindered by the announcement of his discovery.

    I don't know the whole extent to which homosexuality is determined by nature. My suspicion is that some people do, in fact, have a predisposition (whether this is genetic, I do not know, but I tend to doubt it) to homosexual attraction. Whether that means that homosexuality as a lifestyle is morally good from a Christian standpoint is another question, one that I tend to stay away from because it is not a question in need of answering in regard to my own decisionmaking. (In other words, I have no desire to engage in homosexual activities, so it is irrelevent to my life whether this is sin.)
     
  11. Texas Lynn

    Texas Lynn New Member

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    Well, Brad Pitt is cute, especially with a little lipstick on.
     
  12. Thaeoles

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    Just making sure no one forgets.:D
     
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    Texas Lynn New Member

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    They always appear to exclude themselves though.
     
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    Why do you assume that?
     
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    Notedstrangeperson Loudmouth

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    You're certainly right. But even if homosexuality is only partly determined by genetics, it doesn't explain the difference between male and female homosexuality.

    I have by own theory but I'd rather hear other people's first.
     
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    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    I think its interesting that people often say how being homosexual is the way of the world. It isnt really. Thw orld hasnt fully accepted the idea of homosexuality, just certain groups.
     
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    Texas Lynn New Member

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    Experience.
     
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    I guess that could be the case sometimes, but not all Calvinists exclude themselves as depraved. Most Calvinists I know are more hard on themselves than they are on others. I guess experience can vary.
     
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    Texas Lynn New Member

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    Either way, they have no standing to Lord it over the rest of us.
     
  20. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    Im interested in the OT if anyone wants to talk about that?
     
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