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Women Are Still the Most Discriminated Against

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by one11, Feb 14, 2009.

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  1. one11

    one11 Veteran

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    What did we get liberated too? Too much work? More like slavery to be honest.

    We aren't taught to keep our virginity and the Virgin Mary is even put down in Protestantism. Maybe we should think about incorporating more about the Virgin Mary when we talk to our girls?

    Why do we put down Mary? She said her name will be blessed in all nations!

    So, women are the most discriminated against, imo.
     
  2. wannabeadesigirl

    wannabeadesigirl Regular Member

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    I don't think work places give too much work. It's when someone works a full 8 hour, and then comes home to work another 8 cleaning the house, feeding the family, etc. That's a problem with womens lib. They called out for more work for women, equal pay etc, but forgot to mention that raising children in itself is a full time job, and they would need help from spouses to raise their offspring properely.

    It's conflicting messages at their finest: You're a weak woman if you stay home with your kids, but you're not a real woman if you don't raise children, or if you work fulltime on top of having kids.
     
  3. ERice2nd

    ERice2nd Senior Member

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    I think this says it most accurately. with womens lib women took on too much. the equality in the work place plus the home life many women have, like raising the kids and feeding the family and cleaning house.

    To be fair though there are men who help out but I agree that not all men do and its sad. many men still feel that they should be the ones who earn the family income because well, thats how they are raised, your not a real man unless you take care of the family, but somewhere along the line someone forgets to tell the boy that taking care of the family also means helping his wife raise the children, feed the family and clean the house :). so when the boy becomes the man he feels his place is outside the home earning a living for his family and doesnt think of inside the home.

    Its changing though as a lot of mothers are raising their boys to treat women with respect and fathers are coming around to the same mentality, I personally am such a man, I believe that men and women have different roles but God made women as the HELP mate, as in she helps us with our tasks, not do them for us (us meaning men in this sentance).

    No worries ladies, you just caught the whole thing at the begining when the changes are starting to happen, in a few generation I am sure things will finally balance out :). I hope so anyway because I feel bad as a man sometimes when a woman feels she has to labor harder just to get noticed with equal attention.
     
  4. daydreamergurl15

    daydreamergurl15 Daughter of the King

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    "Virgin Mary" wasn't a virgin for long. Although, she was married when her husband knew her ("Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, and did not know her til she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And He called His name JESUS." Matthew 1:24-25. Although, I understand what you mean, about female purity doesn't seem as important as it once were. Although I hope that the church doesn't take that view.

    As for women being the most discriminated against, I guess if you are looking at everything as if it should be fair (though I'm sure that definition is different for everyone) then you have a point. Although, I am not quite sure what it is that women are striving to be liberated from in this day and age.
     
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  5. BobW188

    BobW188 Growling Maverick

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    I wouldn't say that we Prots, taken as a whole, "put down" Mary. We're well aware God didn't draw her name out of a hat but selected her for very good reason. I for one would certainly second your idea of teaching more about her to youth of both sexes. Where most of us too often disobey, she obeyed. Where most of us spend a lot of time off the straight and narrow, she held the course.
     
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    Ya, I don't work outside the home (and I have no kids - unless I count
    all my pets as kids)

    Most people expect that I work outside the home when we're
    first introduced. I get the question "so, what do you do?" or
    "so what line of work are you in?"
    They're shocked when I say I don't have a career.

    I always wondered why women PUSHED for women to get to
    work in a career then come home & have to care for a family!
    :doh: HELLO, women HAD it made - talk about the Big Lie lol

    They all but demonized women at home. Truly sad - I always speculate
    that this is when the family started to come unglued as more women
    left the home & less care & supervision was given to the kids??

    It's typical tho, they can't ever get that pendulum balanced.
    In trying to get equality, they pushed women right out their
    back doors into being strapped to 8+ hrs of work outside (with all its
    stresses & pressure) PLUS inside the home.

    brilliant :idea:
     
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    Nadiine New Member

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    as for Mary - I don't think Protestants have any denigration for
    her.
    All they do is try to downplay the Catholic's (seeming) idolization
    of her. That pendulum again.
    It makes us sound anti Mary, but we aren't. We just don't place
    extra emphasis on her. I believe it's due to the Catholics
    view tho.
     
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    Well put down maybe isn't the correct phrase, but Mary is kind of ignored.

    I know young women today are trying to finish college, while working a full time career and then going home to their spouse and doing all the chores, except for one couple where I know the husband does the dishes as far as inside chores.

    With this couple, his mother did everything for him, laundry et al into his young 20's until he finally moved out. So now he expects the woman in his life to be like his Mom, doing all the chores, BUT he wants a women with an exceptional career too!

    Those seem like very difficult standards to fulfill. And if I had had a son, I wouldn't be doing his laundry up until his early 20's. I'd make my son do his own laundry by the time he reached 13. If he doesn't want clean clothes, that's his problem.

    Even parents of today expect the young girls to have an exceptional career to help take care of their son, but expect the girl also to do all the cleaning work to take good care of their son. The parents scrutinize both in a woman.

    I don't think these type of relationships will last long because I know some of these young women are depressed and suffering from panic attacks from all the pressure and over work. And being admitted to the hospital because of rapid heart beat and these are women I know. Neither has a heart condition; it was anxiety. This is not good.

    There just is too much expectation put on young women and it's not logically based.

    I know a young couple who wants to get married, but I feel like I see failure setting up because of all the examples put above.

    Men take a wife, but don't expect her to be like your "Mommy" and do everything for you.

    I know some men are getting a clue, but not enough.

    And parents need to teach their sons how to do cook and clean, etc. If they don't, I think or rather I believe I know, the divorce cycle will just continue.

    After women's lib, I never got liberated to anything. And I don't see what women's lib is doing to benefit the next generation of women if parents don't teach their boys equal household chores in their youth.
     
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    yes, I agree, the boys have to be taught. my mom taught me how to cook and to do laundry and all of that good stuff. I dont do it as much as I should (I am single and live alone) but that also is the result of my mental illness and I am working on it. anyways, I do cook for myself and although it nothing fancy, I certainly enjoy what I cook, I am not bad at it :) hehe. Boys have to be taught that its good to help their wives out like that and to have fun doing it. especially if they expect their wives to have a job outside the home :).

    Mow maybe I am old fashioned but I fully agree with Nadiine and I believe the wifes place to be inside the home taking care of the kids and the house for the man while the man takes care of the family by earning a living, this is how I was brought up. but in no way do I expect a woman to wait on me hand and foot and I believe raising the kids is a two person job, mothers for certain but fathers also. thats why we are called fathers, it is up to us especially for boys to show them how to be good men. and for girl to show them what a good man is like so she has a referance when she goes out to find one for herself.

    I could go on and on about how I feel about this subject, I enjoy it so much :) hehe. the real key though is for men and women to have real respect for each other and allow the other to do the tasks as they choose. now that isnt licience to be lazy, each one has their role, but if a woman wants to stay home and keep the home up and take care of the family and be a housewife, then the man should step up and find a job and bring home the bacon :). if the woman wants to work then they both should share in the housework as well as sharing in the income. husband and wife are supposed to be a team and they should work together to come to the same goal, the upkeep of the family.
     
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    you know men don't have it so easy anymore either

    we don't even know what to do with ourselves anymore

    women act as though they want to be in control and yet don't respect you if you give it to them

    men have been discriminated against on television and in other more subtle ways for as long as I can remember and yet no one ever says anything about it

    many women act as though they want equal rights but in reality they want to have their cake and eat it too
     
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    I agree with Nadiine and Able (No suprize there:)). I think women got decieved into thinking their role wasn't important, and I'm sure many men are guilty of this. But women, rather than emphisizing thier role in the family took to the workforce demanding jobs and equal pay.

    I think it has been a real distructive thing in socioty losing the role of wife and mother. This marriage partnership thing should come natural not be forced. Both roles are beautiful and invaluable if done as a Godly woman and man are instructed.

    I love my wife and I don't mind that she makes twice as much as I do. She would give up her job in a hearbeat rather than be a poor mother, but her duties as wife have become less important. I don't complain, but I do wish the roles were reversed sometimes.

    God gave women equal or top billing im most every role, from having children to prophecying but He knew there had to be one leader in a household, and from the family unit described in scripture we get an immage of mans relationship with God. Man, in losing his respect as authority, also gave up his responsibilities, and the family disintigrated.

    No matter what anyone says, the traditional roles of husband and wife set an example and raise the most well adjusted kids. Not all men were domineering boobs that the liberated women made them out to be. Like I said, alot of deception there
     
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    I'm sorry... since when was control something men can choose to give or not give to women?

    Men have been discriminated against?

    Have men been prohibited from learning to read and write?
    Have they been forced to marry women 40 years older than themselves?
    Have men been executed because they used pain relief during surgery? Women have been for doing so during childbirth.
    Have men been refused admittance to colleges or professions because they are men?
    Have men been denied credit because they are men?

    Men are the butt of a few jokes on TV and you think that's discrimination?
    As "long as you can remember" is not a very long time at all.
     
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    Lady Bug Tired of fake Christians

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    to the OP,

    I know what you mean about women. I don't think that there is one society in which women are treated 100% equally as human beings. I do believe though that in America I am a lot better off than, say, in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, or even parts of Latin America, but I know what you mean.

    Women seem to have been used as objects around the entire world at any given point in time. It's really saddening how they are not viewed in so many parts of the world as human beings with brains and feelings. I think that it may never change and it's something we have to keep fighting.
     
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    Women have been liberated from a spirit of control, abuse and objectification.
     
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    lux et lex light and law

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    I'm not going on to get a professional degree to stay at home. My mom stayed at home and I don't think any less of her, I know it's not for me. It's great if you want to stay at home and take care of the kids etc., but the tone of some of the posts in this thread seem like they are having a go at women who have careers and don't drop them for their family. I don't think that's what's "ruining the family". I think it's just making the family different. If my husband wanted to stay home, great. If he wants to work too, great. But staying at home is not an option for me, and either he'd have to accept that or find someone else. And I won't be made to feel bad about my decision to work, because this is where the double standard comes in...a man wouldn't be made to feel bad about it, so why should I?
     
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    because a man is designed to provide and a woman is designed to nurture

    and then you'll complain about how many people are becoming gay these days without even realizing that the feminist spirit is playing a key role in our sexual roles getting screwed up
     
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    I agree that men and women are better at some things then others, and each couple should decide what is best for them.

    That does not give you the right to control, manipulation, objectify, abuse or subject women to oppression.
     
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    nor would I ever even think of it

    women intimidate me to be honest
     
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    lux et lex light and law

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    Back the truck up...complain about people becoming gay because of feminism? I don't think so. Sexual roles aren't being screwed up, they are just changing.
     
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    No one is more beautiful than when they are serving the Lord in the manner for which He made them. If men do not recognize and marvel at the what God created in the nurturer they are wrong.

    However, I have no sympathy for a whining complaining woman. God did not intend that men and woman compete in the workforce. Glorify God in what your are given to do. When anyone complains that they are treated unfairly, it is not God they are glorifying.
     
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