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Windows 7

Discussion in 'Technology' started by If Not For Grace, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. EphesiaNZ

    EphesiaNZ Been there, done that - too wise to do it again!

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    Glad to hear it - start spreading the word!

    I've beaten my head against the wall sometimes when I tell a Windows user about Linux, the ease of use with a distro such as Ubuntu and the mainly trouble free experience - do they listen? :(

    To most people, Windows is what has to be installed. Many out there are unaware of a choice (other than Apple) of operating systems and this is usually at a cost, both financially and usability.
     
  2. If Not For Grace

    If Not For Grace Legend-but then so's Keith Richards

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    I don't know really what Linux is or Ubuntu or how to install or uninstall very well. Will that fix the backspace thing? I'm a bit lost now..

    EPHESIANZ is right we are like abused women who think we have to have Windows and we keep coming back to it-to scared of the unknown...even if it might be better.
     
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  3. ulu

    ulu Senior Member

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    I've had windows 7 for a couple months on a netbook, and i think it really
    sucks. had a netbook previously with xp that was great until it got a virus which none of the online repair people could fix.
    7 is very slow, and does annoying things like never remember how i like folders layed out (as a list) Everytime I open a folder I have to again tell it I want it displayed as a list. Also this netbook has 2GB ram which evidently isn't enough as even typing this- the sentence will be completed by me a few seconds before it finally shows up onscreen.
    XP was SO much better.

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
     
  4. dysert

    dysert Member

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    I would go with a Brother, too, but I doubt you'll be able to find a laser that is both a printer and copier for under $100. You can certainly get a good Brother laser printer for under $100, but you'll probably need to decide how important the copying function is to you.
     
  5. freezerman2000

    freezerman2000 What a long,strange trip it's been! CF Ambassador Angels Team

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    I'm on a laptop that has a minuscule keyboard, so I pulled out one of my old desktop boards for use while I'm working at my desk...works like a charm.
    [​IMG]
     
  6. paul1149

    paul1149 that your faith might rest in the power of God Supporter

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    Sorry for a late reply.

    No, no problems. Many people "downgrade" to XP. Also, I would ditch Real, etc, and use something like VLC for all the media. I have an Acer netbook (several of them, actually) and this setup works fine.

    Other things you can do are: go into MSCONFIG and disable any startup processes you don't need; install the max 2GB RAM. With these steps, you may be fine with Win7. My netbooks are - though I must admit, XP flies on those little machines.

    This sounds like a focus problem. In the browser, when the focus is in a text box, the backspace key acts as it does in a word processor. But when the focus is on the web page, it acts as a navigator. The trick is that hitting the Tab key will take you out of the text box and onto the next page element (which often is the Post control button - you'll see it highlighted if you experiment). So make sure you're not hitting the Tab key inadvertently, or hitting the touchpad as you type. If it's a touchpad problem, a little free utility called TouchFreeze will solve the problem. The more I think about it, the more I suspect the touchpad.

    There also are browsers, and extensions for browsers, that will remember the text you typed if you accidentally navigate away. For instance, I just tried it here, in Opera, and when I came back the text was there waiting for me.

    Let me say this once, and then duck for cover: IE is not the only browser in the world. It is not synonymous with surfing the Web. IMO, it's about the worst major browser out there.

    Also, there is a Fn key on the laptop keyboard that shifts many of the keys to alternate functions, which you will see on the keys in a different, lighter color. Make sure you're not hitting that one inadvertently either.
     
  7. NuclearDreams

    NuclearDreams ...the last laugh

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    I have scoured the internet, I have reinstalled the operating system, I have uninstalled various software and still I have not found a solution as to why Windows 7 freezes randomly. I have some ideas as to what might be causing it, but I would need to test those ideas on three or four new computers with various hardware installed. I have five PCs and a laptop in my house, and with the exception of one I have Windows 7 installed on all of them. Unfortunately four of my computers are 7-9 years old and my theories as to what is causing the freezes wouldn't work on them. The freeze does not occur on any of my older machines.


    Older PC specs:

    • CPU - AMD Athlon 64 1.8GHz single core (on two machines) Windows 7 Home and Ultimate installed
    • Motherboards - Gigabyte and Asus - VIA chips
    • Video Cards - nVidia 6800 and 7800GT - both AGP
    • Memory - both have 2GBs of RAM PC400 from Kingston

    • CPU - AMD Athlon XP 1.8GHz single core - Windows Vista Home installed
    • Motherboard - Asus - VIA chips
    • Video Card - ATI Rage - AGP
    • Memory - 1.5GBs of RAM PC400 from Kingston

    • CPU- AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2GHz dual core - Windows 7 Professional installed
    • Motherboard - ASRock - AMD chips
    • Video Card - nVidia 7900GT - PCIe
    • Memory - 4GBs of RAM PC400 from Kingston
    Newer PC specs:

    • CPU - Intel Q9300 2.5GHz quad core - Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows XP installed on same HD but separate partitions.
    • Motherboard - MSI - nVidia chips
    • Video Card - nVidia 8800GT - PCIe
    • Memory - 8GBs of RAM PC800 from Kingston
    None of the older machines freeze when Windows 7 is installed. The only machine that freezes is the one with the Intel CPU. The CPU is not the cause though, because if you google you will see that many users are having the problem with AMD machines as well. All the older machines listed above have Adobe Flash and Klite codecs installed. One of my theories was that Adobe Flash or some codec was causing the problem. With the codecs installed the freezing occurs more frequently, but when I perform a fresh install of the OS without any codecs the freeze still occurs, just not as frequent. I am beginning to think that the problem only manifests when a particular combination of hardware and Windows 7 are installed. My reasoning is that not everyone is having the problem, even though they have the same software installed. I haven't seen the problem on laptops yet, which is very interesting. There are seven different laptops (all with Windows 7 installed) in my wife's family, and none of their users have reported this problem. I'm thinking the freezing has to do with a certain type of CPU (more than two cores) or RAM (DDR2 and above) in combination with the operating system.


    I love Windows 7, and I think it is the best operating system Microsoft has produced to date, but the freezing is driving me nuts. If it weren't for OneNote, Photoshop and some games that I am very fond of, I would switch to Linux Ubuntu in a heartbeat.
     
  8. dysert

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    I agree with you. You obviously aren't a Windows rookie, and you've got a great post for someone to be able to help you. I suggest posting it to www^sevenforums^com -- if anyone can help you it will be from there. The only thing I can think of is to force it to take a crash dump when it's frozen and then analyze the dump (neither of which I know how to do). Good luck.
     
  9. paul1149

    paul1149 that your faith might rest in the power of God Supporter

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    Nuclear,

    Have you checked Event Viewer for fatal errors? (Computer/manage).

    And if there's a blue screen you can turn off automatic restart in order to capture the message. (Control Panel/System/advanced/advanced. Make sure logging is enabled here, even for the event viewer above.)

    If Not for Grace,

    You may be able to solve the focus problem simply by going to control panel / mouse / hardware, and backing off on touchpad sensitivity.
     
  10. NuclearDreams

    NuclearDreams ...the last laugh

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    Unfortunately getting a crush dump doesn't working with this problem. Before Windows 7 can compile anything on the source, the system just freezes. Nothing works after that, and the only way to unfreeze it is to perform a cold restart of the computer. I've looked around in other forums, and there are many people with this problem, and there are many people with possible solutions, but none have worked. My only alternative is to study which users are not having this problem, and purchase the hardware they are using. That is an expensive solution, but when you are working an hour on a project in Photoshop and the system freezes, that is unacceptable.

    After studying this anomaly I'm thoroughly convinced it is not the fault of the OS alone, but a combination of hardware and software that users are installing.

    @ dysert
    Searching on SevenForums, there are at least 10 pages of topics about Windows 7 freezing. Another post on the subject would go unnoticed.
     
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    What kind of power supply do you have?
     
  12. NuclearDreams

    NuclearDreams ...the last laugh

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    I considered that, but I replaced the power supply when I bought a new video card. The power supply is 600w, which is adequate for my system, the other was 550w. The problem occurred with the previous power supply and it continued with the new one.

    edit:
    I performed a hardware test using Microscope Diagnostics Suite 14. To use Microscope you have to boot from the CD, which then performs the test outside the parameters of the operating system. All the tests were concluded without errors, except one. When Microscope performed the USB diagnostics, the system froze. I repeated the test several times and ended up with the same results.

    What does this mean? Microscope is not Windows 7, so why is it freezing? Another user on another site suggested that the mouse and the keyboard may be causing conflicts with specific onboard controllers. That theory, combined with my test results, gave me an idea. I unplugged all USB devices from the motherboard, and plugged them into a 4 port USB PCI card. I then played every online video rooted in Flash I could get my hands on. Normally that would cause an immediate freeze...but it didn't. Can this really be the solution? I can't say yet. Many of the faithful have exercised their systems in hopes of driving out this demon, but in the end their PCs remain hopelessly possessed. ;)

    More to follow...
     
  13. C-Man

    C-Man ...

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    It could be that the USB controller on your motherboard is bad.
     
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