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Will Jesus return in 2015 ?

Discussion in 'Pentecostal/Assemblies of God' started by Mr Pickles, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Mr Pickles

    Mr Pickles New Member

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    Will Jesus return in 2015 , though Jesus returns after the Great tribulation, so if these predictions have any merit, the next 3 years would be unlike the world has ever seen.
    Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries believes he knows the exact day, if not the specific year.

    More about Mark Biltz:
    El Shaddai Ministries - Meet Pastor Mark of El Shaddai Ministries

    Biltz uses NASA forecasting to study signals of Jesus' return. Will Jesus Christ return to Earth in the year 2015?

    He suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days seven years from now could herald what's come to be known as the "Second Coming" of Jesus.

    "God wants us to look at the biblical calendar," says Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash. "The reason we need to be watching is [because] He will signal His appearance.

    He noted a rare phenomenon of four consecutive total lunar eclipses, known as a tetrad.

    He says during this century, tetrads occur at least six times, but what's interesting is that the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with God's holy days of Passover in the spring and the autumn's Feast of Tabernacles (also called Succoth) occurs between 2014 and 2015 on today's Gregorian calendar.

    "The fact that it doesn't happen again in this century I think is very significant," Biltz explains. "So then I looked at last century, and, believe it or not, the last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967 and 1968 tied to Jerusalem recaptured by Israel."

    He then started to notice a pattern of the tetrads.

    "What's significant to me is that even before 1967, the next time that you had four blood red moons again was right after Israel became a nation in '48, it happened again in 1949 and 1950 ... on Passover and Succoth. You didn't have any astronomical tetrads in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s. In the 1500s, there were six, but none of those fell on Passover and Succoth."

    When checking the schedule for solar eclipses, Biltz found two one on the first day of the Hebrew year and the next on the high holy day of Rosh Hashanah, the first day of the seventh Hebrew month. Both of these take place in the 2014-2015 year.

    The sun's corona becomes visible during a solar eclipse.

    Biltz says, "You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015."

    "If you think that this is a coincidence, I want you to know that it's time!" exclaimed Prophecy in the News host J.R. Church. "There are no more of these for the rest of the century."

    CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL ARTICLE:
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    2015: Blood Red Moon & End Time Events (Part 1 of 6) - YouTube
     
  2. FuegoPentecostes

    FuegoPentecostes Regular Member

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    I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE KEEP FALLING FOR THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    Look how simple those verses are! Stop making the Word so complicated! Everyone just needs to sit back and wait patiently, He's coming. Do I believe soon? Yes. Do I believe anyone knows the date? No. No one knows no one will know. God will not reveal it to anyone, even Jesus said not even the angels know. EVERYONE GET THE ANTS OUT OF YOUR PANTS, STOP GOING AGAINST SCRIPTURE AND TRYING TO GUESS THE RAPTURE DATE. Jesus will come when He is good and ready!
     
  3. Bob Carabbio

    Bob Carabbio Old guy -

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    MAYBE, Maybe not. Next question?
     
  4. kspchemist

    kspchemist Bible Thumper

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    Bible says that no man will know when Jesus is coming. I personally think he could come sooner rather than later. As to a specific date, I would rather not speak to that.
     
  5. Mr Pickles

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    we may not know the day or hour, but we may know the time and the season,

    it comes as a thief in the night to those in darkness, not to those in the light, we can see the day approaching.
     
  6. kspchemist

    kspchemist Bible Thumper

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    To know the times and seasons is imperative. I would agree that the time is close based upon what is going on in the world now. To pin down a specific day or even year, I would rather stay away from. I think someone MIGHT get lucky and get the year correct. Then again if we look as if EVERY day as a possibility of the return, eventually we will be right. So to say Jesus will return in 2015, 2013, 2021, or whenever can cause people to wait around until it was possibly too late for the rapture so they would have to endure the tribulation. Thus I think any specified date whether day or even year can and may very well have negative consequences on the name of Jesus.
     
  7. mjmcmillan

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    I don't put a lot of stock in NASA timetables to predict the end of the world. We had a rocket scientist already try that with rather dismal results. See below:

    1988 came and went, why didn't we go?
     
  8. RisingSpirit

    RisingSpirit :-)

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    How come I keep seeing new dates on returns?
     
  9. Richard.R

    Richard.R Jesus is the Word of God

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    Because people like making guesses and ignore the part where Jesus says no one will know the day or the hour :doh:
     
  10. Bob Carabbio

    Bob Carabbio Old guy -

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    "How come I keep seeing new dates on returns?"

    Same reason the automakers bring out the same car every year, and tell everybody that it's ALL NEW and different. We're STUPID, and we'll buy 'em anyway.
     
  11. FutureAndAHope

    FutureAndAHope Just me

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    I agree with this. I don't like making predictions about Jesus return.
     
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    Messy Well-Known Member

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    Yes and we can look in the Bible, Mathew 24 World Wars, then beginning of birthpangs, persecution (haven't seen that in the West) and the gospel preached everywhere. Then He talks about the antichrist.
     
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    Probably not.
     
  14. WOFFED

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    Unfortunately, some will not even recognize the season or the week. The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) has been known as being one long day (48 hours) in which no one will know the day or hour. This explanation of one long day in which no one knows the day or hour goes back to the time of the Babylonian captivity. That is why it's celebrated over two days. Ninety-nine shofar blasts are blown during this feast with the 100th blast referred to as the "last trump."

    This verse is referring to those not abiding in Yeshua Ha'Mashiach like the five foolish virgins without enough oil in their lamps. You need to take into consideration more than one verse because those living in the Light of Truth will not be overtaken by the enemy (e.g. the five wise virgins whose lamps are filled with oil).

    1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 (CJB)
    1 But you have no need to have anything written to you, brothers, about the times and dates when this will happen;
    2 because you yourselves well know that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
    3 When people are saying, “Everything is so peaceful and secure,” then destruction will suddenly come upon them, the way labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and there is no way they will escape.
    4 But you, brothers, are not in the dark, so that the Day should take you by surprise like a thief;
    5 for you are all people who belong to the light, who belong to the day. We don’t belong to the night or to darkness,
    6 so let’s not be asleep, like the rest are; on the contrary, let us stay alert and sober.
    7 People who sleep, sleep at night; and people who get drunk, get drunk at night.
    8 But since we belong to the day, let us stay sober, putting on trust and love as a breastplate and the hope of being delivered as a helmet.
    9 For God has not intended that we should experience his fury, but that we should gain deliverance through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah,
    10 who died on our behalf so that whether we are alive or dead, we may live along with him.
    11 Therefore, encourage each other, and build each other up — just as you are doing.

    In Judaism, there are three trumpets (shofarim) that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) (Exodus [Shemot] 19:19). It proclaimed that G-d had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is blown on Rosh HaShanah. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of the Messiah Yeshua back to earth (Matthew 24:31).

    Of YAHUWEH'S seven feasts (divine appointments) the four spring feasts have been fulfilled
    by Yeshua: Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost. Just as with the religious leaders that didn't recognize their Messiah, so too some of today's religious leaders and their flock will not be ready, being as it were that "the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."



     
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  15. Mr Pickles

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    thanks for all your input replys certainly food for thought some meat on the bones,
     
  16. BeeWrangler

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    The tribulation its self can not start until the last temple is rebuilt and the antichrist comes and sets up an abomintation that causes desolation, not until then will the tribulation start, so it is impossible for Jesus to return in 2015. The tribulation will last for 7 years.... so we need to wait for the mosque to be blown to bits so the temple can be rebuilt, then wait for the antichrist to come and set up the abomination, then we need to wait about 7 more years after that before we are raptured and meet Jesus in the sky. No one knows when any of this will start, but I can tell you it is impossible acording to prophecy for Jesus to retun in 2015. However, if you believe in pre-trib and the mosque is removed and they rebuild the temple in less than 2 years then itis possible... but unlikely.
     
  17. ByTheSpirit

    ByTheSpirit Pray always!! Supporter

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    Be careful you are not lead away with a delusion so you miss the truth. Are you so sure that there will be a third temple? Are you so sure that the tribulation is a 7 yr period? Are you so sure that we are raptured before the tribulation? Might want to reassess your position, and all reading this message. The pretrib rapture is a myth that will lead many to ruin in the last days when the fire is raging around them and they were SO SURE they would have escaped it. To him who has ears let him hear! Matt 24:29-31
     
  18. BeeWrangler

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    I agree 100% with what you said about the pre-trib rapture and the ruin it can bring to alot who follow pre-trib. But for those who are pre-trib I have come to find it is better not to argue with them. That is why I said

    "I can tell you it is impossible acording to prophecy for Jesus to retun in 2015. However, if you believe in pre-trib and the mosque is removed and they rebuild the temple in less than 2 years then itis possible... but unlikely"
     
  19. the.Sheepdog

    the.Sheepdog You must be born again!

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    When Jesus said that no one will know the date or hour He was talking about the second coming. THAT no one can know at all. One can guess it will be during the last battle of H' Armageddon.

    The rapture has a definite time we just dont know it. It will automatically happen when the "fullness of the gentiles has come in" or when the crew manifest reaches the number needed for the ship to sail.

    That means every new salvations brings us closer. The majority of new salvations will probably come from Asia. The US and EU seem to have forsaken Christ.
     
  20. tnichols2012

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    Doesn't the Word also say that not even the Son knows the time, only the Father does? If that's the case then why do people think they can figure it out? I'm 30 years old and I would estimate I've seen 45 end of the world predictions in the last 20 years that I can remember, all of them failures, all with pitiful (if any) excuse as to why their prediction was wrong.
     
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