Why such a seeming contrast in NDE accounts where people saw hell... and heaven?

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Generally speaking…. most groups don't mind quotations in full that include the link so:


Cry of a Lost Soul
And the Lesson that it Teaches
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This unusual narrative recounts the revelations of a lost soul to a former acquaintance. It is a powerful record of the steps which led a young woman to lose her soul in Hell for all eternity.

Although it has several times been printed with imprimatur, this in itself does not guarantee the authenticity of the story.

An imprimatur merely indicates that the subject matter is free from error in faith and morals.

Is it true?

Obviously, it cannot be "guaranteed" because the only evidence is that of the girl herself.

It certainly may be true and its instructional qualities would pertain even if the story itself were not true.

In the July apparition at Fatima a vision of a Hell of fire was given to the three little children, and significantly, its existence was confirmed by the great public miracle on October 13th.

Yet Hell is little spoken of in the pulpits. Because of this, the special intervention of Heaven, may, as at Fatima, be necessary to restore this sobering doctrine to its important place in Christian dogma.

It is well to remember that the Hell spoken of here is the Hell which has a significant place in Catholic doctrine, the Hell described vividly by Christ Himself, the Hell seen in all its livid horror by the children at Fatima on July 13th, 1917.

The names of persons and places are omitted because of the nature of the story, plus the fact of its recent origin.

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Clara and Annette, both single Catholics in their early twenties, worked adjacent to each other as employees of a commercial firm in Germany. Although they were never very close friends, they shared a courteous mutual regard which led to an exchange of ideas and, eventually, of confidences. Clara professed herself openly religious, and felt it her duty to instruct and admonish Annette when the latter appeared excessively casual or superficial in religious matters.

In due course, Annette married and left the firm. The year was 1937. Clara spent the autumn of that year on holiday at Lake Garda. About the middle of September she received a letter from her mother. "Annette . . . is dead. She was the victim of an auto accident and was buried yesterday at Wald-Friedhof."

Clara was frightened since she knew her friend was not very religious. Was she prepared to appear before God? Dying suddenly, what had happened to her?

The next day she attended Mass, received Holy Communion, and prayed fervently for her friend. The following night, at ten minutes after midnight, the vision took place. . .

"Clara, do not pray for me! I am in hell. If I tell you this and speak at length about it, do not think it is because of our friendship. We here do not love anyone. I do this as under constraint. In truth, I should like to see you to come to this state where I must remain forever."

"Perhaps that angers you, but here we all think that way. Our wills are hardened in evil - in what you call evil. Even when we do something 'good', as I do now, opening your eyes about hell, it is not because of a good intention."

"Do you still remember our first meeting four years ago at. . .? You were then 23 and had been there already half a year. Because I was a beginner, you gave me some helpful advice. Then I praised your love of your neighbor. Ridiculous! Your help was mere coquetry. Here we do not acknowledge any good - in anybody."

"Do you remember what I told you about my youth? Now I am painfully compelled to fill in some of the gaps."

"According to the plan of my parents, I should not have existed. A misfortune brought about my conception. My two sisters were 14 and 15 when I was born."

"Would that I had never existed! Would that I could now annihilate myself! Escape these tortures! No pleasure would equal that with which I would abandon my existence, as a garment of ashes which is lost in nothingness. But I must continue to exist as I chose to make myself - as a ruined person."

"When father and mother, still young, left the country for the city, they had lost touch with the Church and were keeping company with irreligious people. They had met at a dance, and after a year and a half of companionship they 'had' to get married."

"As a result of the nuptial ceremony, so much holy water remained on them that my mother attended Sunday Mass a couple of times a year. But she never taught me to pray. Instead, she was completely taken up with the daily cares of life, although our situation was not bad."

"I refer to prayer, Mass, religious instruction, holy water, church with a very strong repugnance. I hate all that, as I hate those who go to church, and in general every human being and everything."

"From a great many things do we receive torture. Every knowledge received at the hour of death, every remembrance of things lived or known is for us, a piercing flame. In each remembrance, good and bad, we see the way in which was present - the grace we despised or ignored. What a torture is this! We do not eat, we do not sleep, we do not walk. Chained, with howling and gnashing of teeth, we look appalled at our ruined life, hating and suffering. Do you hear? We here drink hatred like water. Above all we hate God. With reluctance do I force myself to make you understand."

"The blessed in heaven must love God because they see Him without veil, in all His dazzling beauty. That makes their bliss indescribable. We know this and the knowledge makes us furious. Men on earth, who know God from nature and from revelation, can love Him, but they are not compelled to do so. The believer - I say this with gnashing of teeth - who contemplates Christ on the cross, with arms extended, will end by loving Him."

"But he whom God approaches only in the final storm, as punisher, as just avenger, because he was rejected by Him, such a person cannot but hate Him with all the strength of his wicked will. We died with willful resolve to be separated from God. Do you now understand why hell lasts forever! It is because our wills were fixed for eternity at the moment of death. We had made our final choice. Our obstinacy will never leave us. Under compulsion, I must add that God is merciful even towards us. I affirm many things against my will and must choke the torrent of abuses I should like to vomit out."

"God was merciful to us by not allowing our wicked wills to exhaust themselves on earth, as we should have been prepared to do. This would have increased our faults and our pains. He caused us to die before our time, as in my case, or had other mitigating circumstances intervene. Now He shows Himself merciful towards us by not compelling a closer approach than that afforded in this remote inferno. Every step bringing us closer to God would cause us a greater pain than that which a step closer to a burning furnace would cause you."

"You were scared when once, during a walk, I told you that my father, a few days before my first Communion, had told me: 'My little Annette, the main thing is your beautiful white dress, all the rest is just make-believe.' Because of your concern, I was almost ashamed. Now I sneer at it."

"The important thing is that we were not allowed to receive Communion until the age of 12. By then I was already absorbed in worldly amusements and found it easy to set aside, without scruple, the things of religion. Thus, I attached no great importance to my first Communion. We are furious that many children go to Communion at the age of seven. We do all we can to make people believe that children have insufficient knowledge at that age. They must first commit some mortal sins. Then the white Particle will not do so much damage to our cause as when faith, hope, and charity - oh, these things! - received in Baptism, are still alive in their hearts."

"Marta K - and you induced me to enter "The Association of the Young Ladies." The games were amusing. As you know, I immediately took a directive part. I liked it. I also like the picnics. I even let myself be induced to go to confession and communion sometimes."

"Once you warned me, 'Anne, if you do not pray, you go to perdition.' I used to pray very little indeed, and even this unwillingly. You were then only too right. All those who burn in hell did not pray or did not pray enough."

"Prayer is the first step towards God. And it is the decisive step. Especially prayer to her who is the Mother of Christ, whose name we never pronounce. Devotion to her rescues from the devil numberless souls whom sin would infallibly give to him."

"I continue my story, consumed with rage and only because I have to. To pray is the easiest thing man can do on earth. And God has tied up the salvation of each one exactly to this very easy thing."

"To him who prays with perseverance little by little God gives so much light, so much strength, that even the most debased sinner will at the end come back to salvation. During the last years of my life I did not pray any more, so I lacked those graces without which nobody can be saved. Here we no longer receive graces. Moreover, should we receive them we would cynically refuse them. All the fluctuations of earthly existence have ceased in the other life. For years I was living far away from God. For, in the last call of grace I decided against God."

"I never believed in the influence of the devil. And now I affirm that he has strong influence on the persons who are in the condition in which I was then. Only many prayers, others and mine own, united with sacrifices and penances, could have snatched me from his grip. And even this only little by little. If there are only few externally obsessed, there are very many internally possessed. The devil cannot steal the free will from those who give themselves to his influence. But in punishment of their, so to speak, methodical apostasy from God, He allows the devil to nest in them."

"I hate the devil too. And yet I am pleased about him, because he tries to ruin all of you; he and his satellites, the fallen with him at the beginning of time. There are millions of them. They roam around the earth, as thick as a swarm of flies, and you do not even notice it. It is not reserved to us damned to tempt you; but to the fallen spirits. In truth every time they drag down here to hell a human soul their own torture is increased. But what does one not do for hatred?"

"Deep down I was rebelling against God. You did not understand it; you thought me still a Catholic. I wanted, in fact, to be called one; I even used to pay my ecclesiastical dues. Maybe your answers were right sometimes. On me they made no impression, since you must not be right. Because of these counterfeited relationships between the two of us, our separation on the occasion of my marriage was of no consequence to me. Before the wedding I went to confession and communion once more. It was a precept. My husband and I thought alike on this point. Why not comply with this formality? So we complied with this, as with the other formalities."

"Our married life, in general, was spent in great harmony. We were of the same idea in everything. In this too, that we did not want the burden of children. In truth, my husband would have like to have one; no more, of course. In the end I succeeded in dissuading him even from this desire. Dresses, luxurious furniture, places of entertainment, picnics and trips by car and similar things were more important for me... It was a year of pleasure on earth, the one that passed from my marriage to my sudden death. Internally, of course, I was never happy, although externally at ease. There was always something indeterminate inside that gnawed at me."

"Unexpectedly I had an inheritance from my Aunt, Lotte. My husband succeeded in increasing his wages to a considerable figure. And so I was able to furnish our new home in an attractive way. Religion did not show its light but from afar off, pale, feeble and uncertain."

"I used to give free vent to my ill humor about some mediaeval representations of hell in cemeteries or elsewhere, in which the devil is roasting souls in red burning coals, while his companions with long tails drag new victims to him. Clara! One can be mistaken in depicting hell, but never can one exaggerate."

…..(to be continued)…..
Traditional Catholic Church Doctrine
 
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Cry of a Lost Soul
And the Lesson that it Teaches
Traditional Catholic Church Doctrine
(part 2):
"I tell you: the fire of which the Bible speaks, does not mean the torment of the conscience. Fire is fire! What He said: 'Away from Me, you accursed one, into eternal fire', is to be understood literally. Literally! How can the spirit be touched by material fire, you will ask. How can your soul suffer on earth when you put your finger on the flame? In fact the soul does not burn; and yet what torture all the individual feels!"

"Our greatest torture consists in the certain knowledge that we shall never see God. How can this torture us so much, since on earth we are so indifferent? As long as the knife lies on the table, it leaves you cold. You see how keen it is, but you do not feel it. Plunge the knife into the flesh and you will start screaming for pain. Now we feel the loss of God. The lost Catholics suffer more than those of other religions, because they, mostly, received and despised more graces and more light. He who knew more suffers more cruelly than he who knew less. He who sinned out of malice suffers more keenly than he who sinned out of weakness. But nobody suffers more than he deserves. Oh, if that were not true, I should have a motive to hate!"

"My death happened this way . . ."

"A week ago - I am speaking according to your reckoning, because according to pain, I could very well say that it is already ten years that I am burning in hell - a week ago, then, my husband and I, on a Sunday went on a picnic, the last one for me. The day was glorious. I felt very well. A sinister sense of pleasure that was with me all the day long, invaded me. When lo, suddenly, during the return, my husband was dazzled by a car that was coming full speed. He lost control."

"Jesus, used frequently by some people of German language - escaped from my lips with a shivering. Not as a prayer, but as a shout. A lacerating pain took hold of the whole of me. (In comparison with the present only a trifle). Then I lost consciousness. Strange! That morning this thought had come to me in an inexplicable way: 'You could go to Mass once more', It seemed like the last call of Love."

"Clear and resolute, my 'NO' cut off that train of thought. You will know already what happened after my death. The lot of my husband and that of my mother, what happened to my corpse and the proceedings of my funeral are known to me through some natural knowledge we have here. What happens on earth we know only obscurely. But we know what touches us closely. I see also where you are living."

"I myself awoke from the darkness suddenly, in the instant of my passing. I saw myself as flooded by a dazzling light. It was in the same place where my dead body was lying. It was like a theater, when suddenly the lights in the hall are put out, the curtains are rent aside and an unexpected scene, horrible illuminated, appears. The scene of my life."

"My soul showed herself to me as in a mirror; all the graces despised from my youth until my last NO to God. I felt myself like an assassin, to whom his dead victim is shown during his trial at court - Should I repent? Never! - Should I feel ashamed? Never!"

"However, I could not even stand before the eyes of God, rejected by me. There was only one thing for me: flight! As Cain fled from the dead body of Abel, so my soul rushed from the sight of horror."

"This was the particular judgment: the invisible Judge said: 'Away from Me'. Then my soul, as a yellow brimstone shadow, fell headlong into the place of eternal torture."

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It is hoped that the above story will cause the reader to be most serious about the salvation of his soul. ("The greater part of men choose to be damned." St. Alphonsus Liguori) This is consistent with the teaching of the Holy Bible. "Enter by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who enter that way. How narrow the gate and close the way that leads to life! And few there are who find it." (Matt. 7:13, 14) The Catholic Church is the one true Church. The history of all nations; of all people bear testimony that the Catholic Church is the oldest, the first, the one established by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now if you are really serious about saving your soul, you must adopt the Catholic Faith as there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. This has been defined dogmatically by three different popes, even before the Protestant church came into existence. You are urged to contact a Catholic Church where the traditions of the Holy Catholic Faith are being maintained. Call us at 502-425-9738 if you need help locating a traditional chapel in your area.

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"My soul showed herself to me as in a mirror; all the graces despised from my youth until my last NO to God. I felt myself like an assassin, to whom his dead victim is shown during his trial at court - Should I repent? Never! - Should I feel ashamed? Never!"

"However, I could not even stand before the eyes of God, rejected by me. There was only one thing for me: flight! As Cain fled from the dead body of Abel, so my soul rushed from the sight of horror."(Cry of a Lost Soul)

Two verses from scripture that leap to mind are:

Isaiah 57:15
"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."
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John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."…
 
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".but if I want to feel that it strongly indicates something important.."

Then believe what you like, y'all. We'll all be pleasantly surprised when we find out what it's REALLY like, I'm sure.

Yes…………………. we are in for some astonishing positive surprises!

Eventually every tear will be wiped away from every eye!
 
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For the record….. there is a significant difference between the writing "Cry of a Lost Soul"…… from the near death experience of then three year old Colton Burpo. Colton met with Mary the Mother of Jesus/ Yeshua….. and I am almost certain that I remember that she told him that she wants people to worship her son…… but not her!!!!!!!!
 
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Two verses from scripture that leap to mind are:

Isaiah 57:15
"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."
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John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."…
The bit at the end was quite repugnant to me. It basically says, "Be Catholic or burn in hell like this woman is."

Still, I must admit the tale itself was instructive. I think many people live their lives like that. In total service to themselves and not God.
 
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The bit at the end was quite repugnant to me. It basically says, "Be Catholic or burn in hell like this woman is."

Still, I must admit the tale itself was instructive. I think many people live their lives like that. In total service to themselves and not God.

Pastor Bob Jones reports being asked a very simple question during his brush with death.


Bob Jones’ Testimony August 8, 1975 Death Experience 


I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.

Some of them had a lot of angels with them and they would go on in. The angels went in because they had testimonies, they helped people do things on the earth. They have no testimony until they help you do something. You are the ones that will judge angels by their rewards for what they helped you do. (4) They are more willing to help you do something, than you are willing to submit and let them help you do it.
 
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plain simple problem..
for every truth there are always counterfeits.

goggle search "the jelly fish man" ian is the real deal... he was an assistant pastor in the church i attended for some years before he left NZ. HERE ..I LINKED IT FOR YOU

i totaly discredit Any testimony that glorifies mary.. she is honoured,not glorified above others.In Gods house the greater on earth is least..the least on earth is greater .
 
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plain simple problem..
for every truth there are always counterfeits.

goggle search "the jelly fish man" ian is the real deal... he was an assistant pastor in the church i attended for some years before he left NZ. HERE ..I LINKED IT FOR YOU

i totaly discredit Any testimony that glorifies mary.. she is honoured,not glorified above others.In Gods house the greater on earth is least..the least on earth is greater .

Thank you for this link….. I am booting up the CBN interview right now!
 
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I really enjoyed Angeleca embracos testimony.
I did a thread on it elsewhere.
Some get tangled over certain points but it is the parables of the Lord where you find
Scriptual basis for everything she shared.


I could be wrong but I think her name was Angelica Zambrano. My wife is from Ecuador and met some other people with that last name.

I am truly glad that you enjoyed her video. So did I!

Is Angelica Zambrano's testimony of experiencing heaven and hell biblically sound?


Question: "Is Angelica Zambrano's testimony of experiencing heaven and hell biblically sound?"

Answer: Angelica Zambrano, an Ecuadorian teenage girl, claims that she was dead for 23 hours, during which she met Jesus Christ and was led through hell and heaven so that she would be able to come back and warn people about the realities of the next life.

Angelica says that Jesus took her through hell first, and then gave her a glimpse of paradise. In the vision, Jesus told her, as they prepared to visit hell, "'Daughter, I will be with you. I will not leave you in that place and I am going to show you that place because there are many who know that hell exists, but they have no fear. They believe it's a game, that hell is a joke, and many don't know about it. That is why I am going to show you that place, because there are more that perish than those that are entering My glory.' When He said that, I could see tears streaming down to His garments. I asked Him, 'Lord, why are you crying?' He replied, 'Daughter, because there are more that perish, and I will show you this, so that you will go and tell the truth and so that you will not return to that place.'"

It is absolutely true that hell is real, and not a game or a joke, and it is also true that many people are going there (Matthew 7:13; 25:46). It is true that Jesus laments over lost people (Matthew 23:37). We know that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11). We also know that, in the last days, “your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions” (Acts 2:17), so the idea of Jesus weeping over those in hell is believable, and the possibility of a young person having an experience like Angelica’s is not outside the bounds of Scripture.

That said, some of the elements of Angelica’s account are unbiblical, or at least not sufficiently clear. For example, Angelica says that in the vision “I asked Him, 'Lord, why is my great-grandmother here? I don't know if she ever knew you. Why is she here in hell, Lord?' He replied, 'Daughter, she is here because she failed to forgive. . . . Daughter, he who does not forgive, neither will I forgive him.'” There are many other sins that, in Angelica’s account, Jesus named as responsible for sending people to hell. It is true that sin is a symptom of an unsaved heart. But the account does not adequately explain the remedy: the grace of God through Jesus Christ is what saves us from the power and penalty of sin; justification and sanctification are accomplished for us, once for all, on the cross (Hebrews 10:10, 14).

In the vision, Jesus also told Angelica that He is “coming for a holy people” and that “only the holy ones will see Me!” This is true – only those who have been made righteous by Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21) will be with Him in heaven (Hebrews 12:23). But Angelica’s account makes it sound as if holiness is a result of human effort. As Christians, we will pursue purity, obedience, and holiness, but we will do all those things as a result of what God has done for us – as a result of His grace, and the changed heart He has put within us (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Corinthians 5:17). Angelica’s testimony does not say anything that is explicitly against Scripture, but it neglects the idea of dependence on God for holiness, and it does not put enough emphasis on the assurance of salvation we have in Christ.

If we believe in the frightening vision of hell that is presented by this purported vision (and supported by Scripture), we will want to obey the Lord and live a holy life. But we will easily despair when we realize that we are unable to live a holy life. Thankfully, the Lord has made it clear that we are to always depend on Him (John 15:4) to be able to bear the necessary fruit of salvation. He has also made it evident that He will forgive us when we sin (1 John 1:9). Angelica’s testimony leaves the reader with the feeling that if you commit a sin just before being hit by a bus, you will wind up in hell. This is not biblical. “Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins” (Ecclesiastes 7:20).

It is important to note that Angelica Zambrano’s testimony is only a human experience, and though much of her testimony does not contradict the Bible, the vision is not Scripture itself. It may be entirely a fabrication. There is really no way to know. Ultimately, with all purported visions and revelations, we must always "test everything" (1 Thessalonians 5:21), only holding onto the good. It is only the Word of God that is inerrantly and authoritatively inspired. The fact that Angelica Zambrano's vision contains statements that are borderline unbiblical should give us serious caution against accepting any of it as being from God. What we can draw from it, however, is this crucial reality: a life of unrepentant sin, or a religious life of false holiness produced in our own efforts, without Jesus Christ to save us, will result in an eternity in hell – and hell is a very terrible place.
 
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haha yes i git the name wrong..i get a bit of naming dyslexia lol

I think I have that as well.

Here is another segment from an NDE that I just read again this morning......… so well put:



Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience | Saved from Hell By Jesus Christ | Prophecies of the Future

I asked my friend, and his friends, about death - what happens when we die?

They said that when a loving person dies, angels come down to meet him, and they take him up - gradually, at first, because it would be unbearable for that person to be instantly exposed to God.

Knowing what's inside of every person, the angels don't have to prove anything by showing off. They know what each of us needs, so they provide that. In some cases it may be a heavenly meadow, and in another, something else. If a person needs to see a relative, the angels will bring that relative. If the person really likes jewels, they will show the person jewels. We see what is necessary for our introduction into the spirit world, and those things are real, in the heavenly, the divine sense.

They gradually educate us as spirit beings, and bring us into heaven. We grow and increase, and grow and increase, and shed the concerns, desires, and base animal stuff that we have been fighting much of our life. Earthly appetites melt away. It is no longer a struggle to fight them. We become who we truly are, which is part of the divine.
 
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I read a NDE book written by a agnostic ER MD. I thought his research method was very valid.
His research found the 1 in ten who had an NDE had a memory of things that happened between the time they were conscious and the time they were revived. The last chapter in the end of his book he went thru about 25 natural explanations for NDEs and found none of them lined up medically with what the patient experienced. I wish I could give you the name of the book but I had to return it to the library 15 yrs ago.

This reminds me a bit of the book by Maurice Rawlings M. D.

If I remember correctly he became a Christian after one his heart attack patients told him about his experience.

Yesterday evening I read a rather shocking statistic in a NDE.

Rev. Howard Pittman

Reverend Howard Pittman's Near-Death Experience

As the saints were being admitted, I was wondering why I was not being allowed to do what I came to do. I was so impatient to get my request before God that I missed the whole point of what I saw. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven but the point I missed was the time frame involved. It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire would today? If so, 97 and percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God. The sad part, my friend, is that is exactly representative of this Laodicean Church Age in which we live today. We are now in the time when the great majority of church goers are only mouth professors and not heart possessors.
 
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Hi DennisTate,

I have watched that testamony, what an I opener to Christians that believe in the once saved always saved theology. Many Christians believe when they are saved they can go on living for themselves, they really have not made God their Lord, but still submit to their idols of this world,....greed, pride, lust, alcohol, and more.

Revelation 3

3 Jesus: “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Sardis. This is the message from the one who has the sevenfold Spirit of God and the seven stars:

“I know all the things you do, and that you have a reputation for being alive—but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead.

I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God.

3 Go back to what you heard and believed at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.

4 “Yet there are some in the church in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes with evil.

They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never ERASE their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.

6 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.
 
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Hi DennisTate,

I have watched that testamony, what an I opener to Christians that believe in the once saved always saved theology. Many Christians believe when they are saved they can go on living for themselves, they really have not made God their Lord, but still submit to their idols of this world,....greed, pride, lust, alcohol, and more.

Revelation 3

3 Jesus: “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Sardis. This is the message from the one who has the sevenfold Spirit of God and the seven stars:

“I know all the things you do, and that you have a reputation for being alive—but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead.

I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God.

3 Go back to what you heard and believed at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.

4 “Yet there are some in the church in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes with evil.

They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never ERASE their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.

6 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.
 
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Hi DennisTate,

I have watched that testamony, what an I opener to Christians that believe in the once saved always saved theology. Many Christians believe when they are saved they can go on living for themselves, they really have not made God their Lord, but still submit to their idols of this world,....greed, pride, lust, alcohol, and more.

Revelation 3

3 Jesus: “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Sardis. This is the message from the one who has the sevenfold Spirit of God and the seven stars:

“I know all the things you do, and that you have a reputation for being alive—but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what little remains, for even what is left is almost dead.

I find that your actions do not meet the requirements of my God.

3 Go back to what you heard and believed at first; hold to it firmly. Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.

4 “Yet there are some in the church in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes with evil.

They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never ERASE their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.

6 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.

Thank you Woodpecker.

I found another powerful article from this near death experiencer.

IS THERE LIFE AFTER DEATH? | Howard Pittman
 
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