Why group marriage is the next horizon of social liberalism.

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I credit this author for admitting to the very real slippery slope consequence now created because of the SCOTUS decision yesterday. It's incumbent upon the person who supports ssm but not polygamy to show how he's not being a hypocrite when supposedly marriage is "all about love" and nothing else. Why do I say "all about love"? I say this because for years, one very popular mantra of ssm supporters was "don't tell me who I can love"--as if anyone were! Since SCOTUS decision, an equally popular mantra is "love wins". Therefore, love, and only love, appears to be the only criteria for ssm supporters and ought to be for supporters of polygamy.
 
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ision-polygamy-119469_Page2.html#.VY4vQ_mqqkp

I credit this author for admitting to the very real slippery slope consequence now created because of the SCOTUS decision yesterday. It's incumbent upon the person who supports ssm but not polygamy to show how he's not being a hypocrite when supposedly marriage is "all about love" and nothing else.
I support polygamy.

I really don't care who marries who or even what. Seriously.
 
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I credit this author for admitting to the very real slippery slope consequence now created because of the SCOTUS decision yesterday. It's incumbent upon the person who supports ssm but not polygamy to show how he's not being a hypocrite when supposedly marriage is "all about love" and nothing else.

Although, to be honest, polygamy is considerably more biblical than SSM..
 
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Although, to be honest, polygamy is considerably more biblical than SSM..

Yeah, I've never quite understood the Christian logic that uses SSM as a slippery slope to polygamy. I mean, the same argument would apply to heterosexual marriages... I mean, why don't hetero marriages result in polygamy?

Also, never understood Christian problem with polygamy when polygamy is rampant and approved of in the bible...

As long as there are no overt tax benefits to polygamy, I really don't care if a group of people decide to marry.

All I care about is stable, loving, and caring homes in which the children are raised mentally and physically healthy and given opportunities to reach their full potential yada yada yada....

I don't care if it is a SS couple, a hetero couple, a group of 4, whatever. As long as they are law abiding tax paying citizens and consenting adults, I just don't care how they live their lives.
 
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Yeah, I've never quite understood the Christian logic that uses SSM as a slippery slope to polygamy. I mean, the same argument would apply to heterosexual marriages... I mean, why don't hetero marriages result in polygamy?

That's genuinely clever. Never seen that argument before.
 
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Yeah, I've never quite understood the Christian logic that uses SSM as a slippery slope to polygamy. I mean, the same argument would apply to heterosexual marriages... I mean, why don't hetero marriages result in polygamy?

Also, never understood Christian problem with polygamy when polygamy is rampant and approved of in the bible...

As long as there are no overt tax benefits to polygamy, I really don't care if a group of people decide to marry.

All I care about is stable, loving, and caring homes in which the children are raised mentally and physically healthy and given opportunities to reach their full potential yada yada yada....

I don't care if it is a SS couple, a hetero couple, a group of 4, whatever. As long as they are law abiding tax paying citizens and consenting adults, I just don't care how they live their lives.
Wait...why shouldn't group marriages have tax benefits?
 
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Wait...why shouldn't group marriages have tax benefits?

Oh, and btw...polygamy in the Bible was never God's idea.
Did you know the first named polygamist in the Bible was a murderer?

Genesis 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
 
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ision-polygamy-119469_Page2.html#.VY4vQ_mqqkp

I credit this author for admitting to the very real slippery slope consequence now created because of the SCOTUS decision yesterday. It's incumbent upon the person who supports ssm but not polygamy to show how he's not being a hypocrite when supposedly marriage is "all about love" and nothing else.
1. I don´t think marriage is all about love and nothing else.
2. The problems I see with introducing group marriages are indeed "logistic" (as the author calls them. Not saying they are unsolvable, though.
 
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Wait...why shouldn't group marriages have tax benefits?
He said "overt" tax benefits. You know how you get a standard deduction for being married? He's probably worrying that a polygamist relationship might multiply that deduction by the number of wives. My guess is that he is saying one union of how ever many people gets the same deduction as a married couple of just two.
 
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He said "overt" tax benefits. You know how you get a standard deduction for being married? He's probably worrying that a polygamist relationship might multiply that deduction by the number of wives. My guess is that he is saying one union of how ever many people gets the same deduction as a married couple of just two.

You got it.

Basically, you want to make sure there is no loop-hole incentive for group marriage that deprives the state of revenue and/or puts undo burden on the State and businesses. Take for instance, health insurance.

There are a lot of policies out there that automatically extend health insurance coverage to a spouse. However, lets say that applied to multiple spouses. What would stop someone from "marrying" 15 people each with serious health issues just so that their insurance has to cover each spouse.

The counter to this would be for health insurance coverage to be fixed at a certain amount that does not increase as you add spouses. This way, you can't game the system...

that is the sort of protection I have in mind, basically, make it to where you can't game the system with group marriage with tax benefits or other benefits that a married couple enjoy. Essentially you normalize the benefits setting your benefit equation to two people. Whether it be tax deductions or whatever, you make it to where group marriage isn't a means to game the system...

That's genuinely clever. Never seen that argument before.

I have my moments :p
 
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He said "overt" tax benefits. You know how you get a standard deduction for being married? He's probably worrying that a polygamist relationship might multiply that deduction by the number of wives. My guess is that he is saying one union of how ever many people gets the same deduction as a married couple of just two.
Why?
Five wives are much more expensive than one.
If they get the deduction for one, why not the other four?
 
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Bah...see, if we'd left marriage as it was...one man, one woman...we wouldn't have to worry with such foolishness as tax benefits for multiple wives.
You're right, though I would say we should just do away with marriage altogether. It's just too complicated to let others in on the fun.
 
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Why?
Five wives are much more expensive than one.
If they get the deduction for one, why not the other four?
Because each wife can work, so you don't need more tax breaks for more income earners.

But we increase the benefit per number of children....
Because children can't work.
 
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If you allow the tax deduction for one wife, you must allow it for all of them.
Fair is fair.

However, it is out of our hands. SCOTUS will overrule whatever the various states decide anyway, so why bother yourself about it?
 
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It does make me wonder why there was ever a uproar over Mormons (I am not a Mormon) having more than one wife? If it's about love then they are just as much entitled to express their love having more than one wife as those wanting ssm because of their love for each other. As for me, I will stick to a husband that only wants one wife :)
 
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It does make me wonder why there was ever a uproar over Mormons (I am not a Mormon) having more than one wife? If it's about love then they are just as much entitled to express their love having more than one wife as those wanting ssm because of their love for each other. As for me, I will stick to a husband that only wants one wife :)

Yes...and now that SCOTUS has redefined marriage, we can expect to hear many more such questions.
And, of course, having set the precedent, SCOTUS will have to decide to allow polygamy...polyandry too, why not?
And who-knows-what may be lurking still in that closet?
 
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