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Why does "15 Questions for Evolutionists" brochure confuse the meaning of "evolution?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by verysincere, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    Exactly that? No it doesn't say "Jesus was born of a virgin" in the 1611 KJV.
    BibleGateway - Quick search: "Jesus was born of a virgin"
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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  3. verysincere

    verysincere Exegete/Linguist

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    Yes, even the English Bible reader of Isaiah 7 can't miss the contemporary meaning.

    And Christian theologians have long been comfortable with the idea that many of the Old Testament prophecies quoted in the Gospels had both contemporary and future meanings. That is, the original contexts were clearly speaking of a contemporaneous meaning, such as the young woman conceiving and giving birth to a son. Just verses later in Isaiah 7:16, the prophet says, "For before the child knows to reject the bad and choose the good, desolation will come upon the land of the two kings before whom you now cower." So OBVIOUSLY the original intent of Isaiah's statement applied to geopolitical conditions of that day.

    So then, why did Matthew apply the passage to the birth of Jesus? He was emphasizing Immanuel, "God with us." The prophecy was cited to drive home the point that the birth of Jesus was TRULY "God with us" in a literal way that history had never before known.

    How sad that many Christians continue to use Isaiah 7:14 as the ultimate "translation test" ----claiming that any rendering expect "virgin" is a sinister effort to undermine the divinity of Jesus. Ironically, if one insists upon "virgin" instead of "young woman" in Isaiah 7:14, one is claiming that Jesus is not unique as "virgin born"---since the child mentioned in Isaiah 7:16 and who was known to the royal household of that day would have to share that same trait. So, as so often happens, emotive claims tend to overshadow what the Bible actually says.
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    Either that, or I'm KJVO.

    I realize that's a hard concept to swallow, but nevertheless, 'tis true.
     
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    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    Of course is also doesn't say "The Whole World Was Flooded" or "God is Real" or "Jesus is God" ;)
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    Man, you're on a roll!

    I'm getting goosebumps! :)
     
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    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    So do you agree that given it's not in the 1611KJV
    The Whole World Was not Flooded, and that God isn't real, & that Jesus isn't God?
    After all it isn't in the 1611KJV Bible.
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    Nice try ... but for the record, I do see the point you're making.
     
  9. Now that you mention it, 333 x 2 = 666.

    Suspicious.
     
  10. USincognito

    USincognito Stop QWERTYface! Supporter

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    This is post #895. Since that time, I haven't seen a single one actually addressing the topic of this thread - Why does "15 Questions for Evolutionists" brochure confuse the meaning of "evolution"?
     
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    AV1611VET Galatians 3:26 Supporter

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    940 posts now, and you expect us to still be on topic?
     
  12. Carolina Sunrise

    Carolina Sunrise I'm just gonna shake it off, shake it off.

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  13. verysincere

    verysincere Exegete/Linguist

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    I actually grimace at the term "literal interpretation" because very few of my Christian brethren even understand what it means. I've written long articles on that topic so I won't attempt even a summary here. But as an example, what many Christians think is a "literal interpretation" of a passage is simply an acceptance of a TRADITIONAL VIEW of a text which has become so familiar to them that they have no idea that the original language text may not be accurately rendered by the most popular traditional translations.

    For example, many assume that "earth" (ERETZ) in the Noah's flood account is referring to the modern concept of PLANET EARTH. But in the Hebrew text ERETZ is simply the opposite of SKY ("the heavens" HASHAMAYIM) and refers to "land", "country", "region", and sometimes "soil" (to mention just a few of the LITERAL meanings of ERETZ.) ERETZ, like many other Hebrew words, has MULTIPLE definitions---all of which could be called "literal".

    Needless to say, most Bible readers are ignorant of linguistics and the exegetical factors behind translation. And what may seem "obvious" from a particular English Bible translation appears so obvious because the other possibilities/nuances have been eliminated by the translation process. Accordingly, "literal" interpretation that is based on an English translation is NOT what Bible scholars work from---because the Genesis text was written in Hebrew and that is our focus.
     
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    mzungu INVICTUS

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    WOW! Sounds painful! :eek: What are the side effects:confused:
     
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    The first is severe loss of gray matter. But don't worry, that makes the rest of the change much less painful:D
     
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