Why do some married people think its okay to get fat?

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Well its not just people..its the doctors that have it backwards then..the medical community has established that overeating eating POORLY high fat hidh sugar diet can CUASE type 2 diabetes..SURE some unlucky people eat only ehalthy foods and are in tip top shape and still get diabetes..that is NOT the typcial diabetes victim though.

My husbands doctor flat out told him he was going into diabetic SHOCK by the time he was diagnosed..to take this medication to get his levels under control immediately..in the meantime start eating healthy and excersize and yes..lose weight..and that if he WANTED to ..he could possibly get off the medications and try to control his diabetes and possibly if he was fortunate REVERSE his conditon and become a "non diabetic'..

If eating poorly and being over weight doesnt CAUSE diabetes(type 2) why would his doctor suggest that losing weight..eating right and excersize was a possible cure?

Having said that.YES at first my husbands part of his symptoms was EXCESSIVE thirst and urination and blurred vision ...and once he started the meds and trying to eat right untill his blood sugar levels "leveld" to where they werent shooting up and down he was HUNGRY all the time..he never felt full..

Now that has corrected..as well as his vision ..his fasting blood sugar when he was diagnosed was 400...

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My own doctor does NOT have it backwards. She assures me that there is no illness only heavy people have, and thin people never do. And the diabetic clinic has told me, exact words, "You cannot make yourself have diabetes. You'll either get it or not."

My personal experience is that I overate because the diabetes caused me to be incessantly hungry. The disease is rampant in my family, whether the person is overweight or not. It is a genetic illness.
 
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My own doctor does NOT have it backwards. She assures me that there is no illness only heavy people have, and thin people never do. And the diabetic clinic has told me, exact words, "You cannot make yourself have diabetes. You'll either get it or not."

My personal experience is that I overate because the diabetes caused me to be incessantly hungry. The disease is rampant in my family, whether the person is overweight or not. It is a genetic illness.


Type 2 diabetes is adult onset, and lifestyle brings it on, including weight. Im shocked a Dr. would say different, truly shocked. Type 1...sure...thats a genetic one, and more severe, often strikes at 10 years old and stays for life....but type 2 diabetes is not just a genetic illness, anything has a genetic aspect in that one obese person doesnt get it and another does because of genetic tendency, but its absolutely proven that type 2 diabetes can even be corrected by weight loss and diet, severl people I know have been to the brink of insulin need, lost weight and changed lifestyle and now take metformin only, no other meds needed. Its wreckless to give people the idea that weight has no correlation with type 2 diabetes, heck there are public service announcements about it. This is tantamount to claiming smoking isnt bad that lung and heart disease are only genetic.
 
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My own doctor does NOT have it backwards. She assures me that there is no illness only heavy people have, and thin people never do. And the diabetic clinic has told me, exact words, "You cannot make yourself have diabetes. You'll either get it or not."
This goes against everything I have ever read in any medical information. There may be a diabetic disposition towards diabetes, but the person pre-disposed will not necessarily get diabetes, unless they don't take care of their health.

If the link is not there, why does it happen that people with Type 2 who eat healthy and lose weight also get rid of their diabetes?

My personal experience is that I overate because the diabetes caused me to be incessantly hungry. The disease is rampant in my family, whether the person is overweight or not. It is a genetic illness.
Like I said, genetic predisposition, but when you lose weight, the diabetes can go away, or be greatly minimized.
 
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If someone is underweight when they get pregnant as in they are TOO thin then yes..they will as they should anyway need to gain a little more weight..just like someone who is overwieght depending on where they are starting at shoudnt gain as much as the underweight person I understand that..but a woman at her healthiest weight at onset of pregnancy shoud not end up at the end of the pregnancy gradual or other wise having gained 50 or 60 lbs..

IOW women do not need to or are they suppsed to become OBESE during pregnancy..

And I do agree 30lbs in a month is obviously NOT healthy.for someone pregnant or otherwise..that is massive amount of weight gain and cause for alarm..(Im sure there are exceptions but Im talking starting at a decent weight not someone who has been stranded at see for a month and has only eaten a jellyfish a day )..

And losing a little weight at the beginning is also normal..there actualy isnt any reason to be gaining a lot then anyway..

here is an article..the recomended weight.doesnt go beyond 40 lbs just in this one article and thats for a woman with a low BMI to start with.

But its averging for all women it sounds like to gain 25 to 30 lbs..not 50 or 60lbs..

I dont care either way if someone chooses to gain that much or more..I've heard of women gaining 100lbs in one pregnancy..(for a single birth)..but I dont like the myth that its the pregnancy that causes a woman to become fat ..It can cause OTHER bodily changes..but after pregnancy ..yeah 10 or 15 lbs on you ..thats your boobs xtra blood volume and all that water and stuff..but not 25 or 30 lbs..or more..I just dont think its doing women any favors..pretending that pregnancy causes obesity..

How Much Weight Should I Gain During Pregnancy?

Dallas

Re the bolded: This is where the disconnect is. Women who gain more don't necessarily CHOOSE to gain more. Yes, some women are lazy and eat whatever they want. But, those women seem to be the exception rather than the norm based on the experiences I have had.

It is an assumption to say someone was lazy and ate too much just b/c they gained a lot of weight in a pregnancy.

JMHO
 
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Please pardon my emotions. I realize none of you are actually saying, "Oh, you're just a fat pig making excuses, blaming a disease it's your fault you have anyway." But that is what my emotions are picking up, from between the lines.

It should also be noted that I am talking only about my own experience, here, not how diabetes generally works. I am not saying there is NO correlation between overweight and diabetes. Nor did my doctor say that. She merely said you don't ALWAYS get diabetes (or heart trouble or high blood pressure or anything else) just because you're overweight, nor do you always escape it just because you are thin.

Most important part of the post; if you respond to nothing else, please respond to this: Who can account for the fact that I was not losing weight before, despite trying to, but now that I am on the correct type of insulin, (another brand hadn't been working) I am losing weight without even trying? If it was all my fault I was fat, because I was simply eating too much and that's all there is to it, what has changed except the medical treatment? Granted, I am now not eating as much. But that's not self-discipline on my part. It's no longer feeling the ravenous hunger I get when my sugar level is too high.

Note: There is some controversy as to whether Type 1 *always* begins in childhood. Oral meds don't work for me, and never have. My pancreas is not producing ineffective insulin. It is producing no insulin at all. I will need injections the rest of my life, weight loss or not. That sounds like type 1 to me.

I can look back now and see symptoms as young as age 14. I came from a family that would not take me to the doctor, unless it was a broken bone or something and they'd be arrested for not taking me. In fact they didn't believe me when I said I needed glasses, until I finally had my eyes checked at school and brought a note home. Any time I was unwell, I was "just trying to get attention." And even once I was an adult, I was ridiculed as a hypochondriac if I wanted to go to the doctor for anything. It is only now, within the past four years, that I have been getting correct medical care. So if I had been cared for properly, who knows how much sooner I would have been diagnosed?
 
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She merely said you don't ALWAYS get diabetes (or heart trouble or high blood pressure or anything else) just because you're overweight, nor do you always escape it just because you are thin.

This is true. My dad was obese (6'3" 305 lbs) and never was diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, despite the fact that it runs rampant in his mom's side of the family (5 out of 7 siblings have/had the disease).

My grandmother was blessed in that she was able to control her Diabetes with diet/exercise most of her life post-diagnosis. Others are not always so fortunate.

My dad has lost about 100lbs over the last year and a half or so - partially b/c he was tired of being so heavy, partially b/c he wanted of meds for high BP...and mostly b/c he did not want to risk the chance of getting diagnosed with Type II Diabetes.

Since I am at risk for it, I am conscious of my weight, diet, and exercise. But, that doesn't necessarily mean I will escape the disease. I'm well aware of that fact.
 
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Please pardon my emotions. I realize none of you are actually saying, "Oh, you're just a fat pig making excuses, blaming a disease it's your fault you have anyway." But that is what my emotions are picking up, from between the lines.
Don't trust what your emotions "hear". That's what I'm always told. :)

It should also be noted that I am talking only about my own experience, here, not how diabetes generally works. I am not saying there is NO correlation between overweight and diabetes. Nor did my doctor say that. She merely said you don't ALWAYS get diabetes just because you're overweight, nor do you always escape it just because you are thin.

Most important part of the post; if you respond to nothing else, please respond to this: Who can account for the fact that I was not losing weight before, despite trying to, but now that I am on the correct type of insulin, (another brand hadn't been working) I am losing weight without even trying? If it was all my fault I was fat, because I was simply eating too much and that's all there is to it, what has changed except the medical treatment? Granted, I am now not eating as much. But that's not self-discipline on my part. It's no longer feeling the ravenous hunger the comes on when my sugar level is too high.

Note: There is some controversy as to whether Type 1 *always* begins in childhood. Oral meds don't work for me, and never have. My pancreas is not producing ineffective insulin. It is producing no insulin at all. I will need injections the rest of my life, weight loss or not. That sounds like type 1 to me.

I can look back now and see symptoms as young as age 14. I came from a family that would not take me to the doctor, unless it was a broken bone or something and they'd be arrested for not taking me. In fact they didn't believe me when I said I needed glasses, until I finally had my eyes checked at school and brought a note home. Any time I was unwell, I was "just trying to get attention." So if I had been cared for properly, who knows how much sooner I would have been diagnosed?
I'm not a doctor. Maybe you did have type 1 in childhood, there's probably no way to know now. I'm sorry that your health was neglected in childhood. That's utterly wrong.

All I know is that it is well proven medical fact that x leads to y. When I was overweight, I was always being checked for diabetes. I never had it, but I knew it was possible if I didn't get a handle on my eating. I worked with a woman who also had type 2 in her family. She was told that if she didn't get a handle on it and lose weight, she would get it too. At that time she was functioning without insulin. By a year later - many cokes and fries and cookies later, which I saw her eat at work, and that was her daily diet - she was on insulin because the disease had gotten a grip. The doc was still telling her to stop .. or else .. and she continued.

There are in fact a number of diseases that are 'more likely' to fall upon an overweight person - sleep apnea (yes, a few skinny people get it too, but the majority of people are obese), type II diabetes, arthritis, heart disease, high BP, strokes, certain types of cancer like breast cancer, gall bladder cancer, ovarian cancer. Also, don't forget NAFLD - Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease caused by fat deposits in the liver.

This is not coming from a place of judgement, it's coming from a place where medicine is advanced enough that doctors can draw these conclusions that x leads to y. I'm not sitting here smug saying "ha ha ha, obese people will get this." Far from it. I just do read a LOT about health and disease and fitness, and I'm fortunate to work in a medical department (and institution) where we can frequently attend lectures given by both resident and visiting specialists. What I learn makes me more eager to live a healthy life. Sure, I can find a lump tomorrow, find out I'm at stage V cancer, and be gone in 6 months - anything's possible. Will I beat myself up for having been overweight on and off and having smoked 20 daily and drank alcohol like I was dying of thirst? Darn right I will. I will be mad as anything with myself. At the same time, I know that no matter what I do - if I run every day, eat only organic veggies, only good fats, never drink alcohol again in my life (which is my intention), or smoke again - I did damage my body at different points AND disease is no respecter of "best intentions" anyway. My mother never smoked in her life, never drank alcohol other than a sherry at Christmas, always looked after herself, and was fit and healthy until she found out at age 73 that she had terminal cancer, and 2 months later she was dead. I find that utterly unfair. But it is what it is.

More power to you LBF for fighting for your health. I truly mean that. It's not easy, no matter what they say and no matter how they show these drastic weight losses on shows like TBL, to lose weight, especially when you are older, and especially when you have a disability. All that you can do is make wise choices with food, and take as much exercise as you can manage, and I say a prayer for you right now that your health improves and that you feel FANTASTIC as you get fitter!
 
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There is no emotional component to my posts, they are bone dry clinical statements based on reading medical literature, and like all medicine are based on statistics, which means anything CAN be the case, but most LIKELY X leads to Y.
That's truly the basis of all predictive medicine.
 
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There is no emotional component to my posts, they are bone dry clinical statements based on reading medical literature, and like all medicine are based on statistics, which means anything CAN be the case, but most LIKELY X leads to Y.
That's truly the basis of all predictive medicine.

That's the heart of it, right there. The emotions are on my part, and I'm well aware of that. I need to remind myself, just because people observe that x most likely leads to y, doesn't mean they are saying that since I have y, it proves x.
 
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Ironically, I've only gained 27lbs this pregnancy, and I have complete strangers coming up to me, exclaiming over how "small" I am and telling me I'm not healthy.
Or "starving the baby", "Will have a weak child" etc.
Just because I didn't gain the amount they deem acceptable, I'm unhealthy.
(Thank God my doctor isn't one of those) Though my SIL who was underweight Pre-pregnancy, and gained 40lbs during, was told she too wasn't "Big" enough and would have some weak, tiny baby. (baby turned out to be 6lbs 5oz :) )

It's enough to drive you nuts.
 
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Ironically, I've only gained 27lbs this pregnancy, and I have complete strangers coming up to me, exclaiming over how "small" I am and telling me I'm not healthy.
Or "starving the baby", "Will have a weak child" etc.
Just because I didn't gain the amount they deem acceptable, I'm unhealthy.
(Thank God my doctor isn't one of those) Though my SIL who was underweight Pre-pregnancy, and gained 40lbs during, was told she too wasn't "Big" enough and would have some weak, tiny baby. (baby turned out to be 6lbs 5oz :) )

It's enough to drive you nuts.

Whatever...you wont have a weak baby and you will bounce back and be a strong mom faster. Good for you.
 
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Ironically, I've only gained 27lbs this pregnancy, and I have complete strangers coming up to me, exclaiming over how "small" I am and telling me I'm not healthy.
Or "starving the baby", "Will have a weak child" etc.
Just because I didn't gain the amount they deem acceptable, I'm unhealthy.
(Thank God my doctor isn't one of those) Though my SIL who was underweight Pre-pregnancy, and gained 40lbs during, was told she too wasn't "Big" enough and would have some weak, tiny baby. (baby turned out to be 6lbs 5oz :) )

It's enough to drive you nuts.

27lbs is a good amount. :)

Ironic, since your weight gain has little to nothing to do with how much baby will weigh. lol To the best of my knowledge, the only thing weight-gain related that can affect the baby's weight is Gestational Diabetes.

I gained the least with DD and she was my biggest baby (8 lbs 8 oz).

With my oldest, I gained 46 lbs - he weighed just under 8 lbs...and I had lost 39 lbs by my 6 week check up with the OB.
 
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Type 2 diabetes is adult onset, and lifestyle brings it on, including weight. Im shocked a Dr. would say different, truly shocked. Type 1...sure...thats a genetic one, and more severe, often strikes at 10 years old and stays for life....but type 2 diabetes is not just a genetic illness, anything has a genetic aspect in that one obese person doesnt get it and another does because of genetic tendency, but its absolutely proven that type 2 diabetes can even be corrected by weight loss and diet, severl people I know have been to the brink of insulin need, lost weight and changed lifestyle and now take metformin only, no other meds needed. Its wreckless to give people the idea that weight has no correlation with type 2 diabetes, heck there are public service announcements about it. This is tantamount to claiming smoking isnt bad that lung and heart disease are only genetic.

I agree completely.And LoveBirds..I dont think anyone said that thin people "never" get diseases that overweight people get..you are simply at a MUCH lower risk..Some NON smokers get lung cancer..but if a doctor said that there is no disease that a smoker gets that non smokers dont get I would wonder what the heck he meant by that?Go ahead and smoke?

And what the clinic said..that is FALSE ...sure there are some exceptions that a person is doomed to get diabetes that is healthy weight wise and eats a propper diet and excersizes..so what?the FACT is that being overweight /eating poorly/lack of excersize ESPECIALLY if you have a genetic link puts you in the high risk cateragory to develop type 2 diabetes..

The clinic possibly meant type 1..As Cons mentioned type 1 is usually diagnosed early on in life and hits children..its genetic and is not preventable to my knowledge..

Tye 2 diabetes is a PREVENTABLE disease.how you prevent it is keeping a healthy weight eating properly and excersize.No one said however that a thin person can "never" get it..

Like heart disease ..sure there are GENETIC factors..but it woud be HIGHLY irresponsible to say because that can be a factor..and since thin people can get heart disease too..that being overweight..eating poorly ..and lack of excersize can not "cause' heart disease..It clearly can and DOES..

If you KNOW you have a higher risk of developing these things because of genetics...it even more imperitive for those to live a lifestlye of prevention.

However..my husband has ZERO family history of diabetes..His dad is 70 years old his mom is 68..he has one brother that is 49...they do not have diabetes..accordign to his mother..her mother nor her father had diabetes neither did his paternal grandparents..(however there is heart disease and on her side cancer(one of her sisters DIED of breast cancer in her 30's and his mother had to have a double mastectomy in her 30's from it)..anyway no sign of diabetes and he develped at the "young" age of 43..His diet and excersize habits were horrendous since i've known him..And he also maintained an 'overweight" status from his mid twenties up until current day..

It is no surprise..no surprise at all..with the information we have..that he developed type 2 diabetes.And the culprit is poor eating habits..lack of excersize and staying overweight over the years ...

It seems to me ..people woud EMBRACE this knowledge..especially if there is a genetic predispostion ..because the word is PREVENTABLE..

Diabetes is an insideous disease that wreaks havok on your body.And will cause an early death if not controlled ...Knowing thats its avoidable to begin with is important (understatement)..believing otherwise against the facts doesn't make an ounce of sense..at the least..

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Dallas, it could be that the clinic did mean type 1, but then the possibility is strong that what I have is type 1, even though the diagnosis came later in life than is usual for type 1.

Weirdly, after I was diagnosed, some family members continued to stand their ground. "No, you don't have any diabetes. That's just your doctor trying to get rich." I was even once called a hypochondriac because I needed a wisdom tooth pulled. It came out in four pieces, and my gum was badly infected, but no, I was a hypochondriac. Then there was that one time I had a serious case of the flu. Despite symptoms I won't describe here because it's too gross, family was discouraging me from going to the doctor, saying I was much too dependent on doctors. Finally my sister drove me to the ER, they checked my blood pressure, and the *top* number was 74. I didn't even have to do the waiting room thing. They took me right in. As a nursing assistant, I have seen blood pressure that low before. On people who were getting ready to leave the planet.

Niffer: I gained no weight at all with my third pregnancy, but she weighed 9 pounds 11 ounces. People didn't question me, because I am naturally a big woman. (The unfairness of it is, after she was born I didn't lose any weight either.)
 
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Ironically, I've only gained 27lbs this pregnancy, and I have complete strangers coming up to me, exclaiming over how "small" I am and telling me I'm not healthy.
Or "starving the baby", "Will have a weak child" etc.
Just because I didn't gain the amount they deem acceptable, I'm unhealthy.
(Thank God my doctor isn't one of those) Though my SIL who was underweight Pre-pregnancy, and gained 40lbs during, was told she too wasn't "Big" enough and would have some weak, tiny baby. (baby turned out to be 6lbs 5oz :) )

It's enough to drive you nuts.

If you were not underweight when you became pregnant..I hate to use the word but I will 27lbs is "perfect"..That accounts for 8 of those lbs to be baby..so give or take a lbs..you are doing a great job..

Your baby is "not starving'..neither are you ..being physcally fit..and trim but for the basketball in your tummy...is not "unhealthy"..its the other way around.

Dallas
 
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I gained between 3-8 pounds with my 2nd pregnancy. Someone (that had gained like 80) told me that I was starving my child and that I was going to have another NICU baby. When I needed my gall bladder out and had to wait a bit, i lost almost 30 pounds in just a few weeks. THEN I had anorexia.

There are people who really are just nutters.
 
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I gained between 3-8 pounds with my 2nd pregnancy. Someone (that had gained like 80) told me that I was starving my child and that I was going to have another NICU baby. When I needed my gall bladder out and had to wait a bit, i lost almost 30 pounds in just a few weeks. THEN I had anorexia.

There are people who really are just nutters.
Indeeed!!
 
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Dallas, it could be that the clinic did mean type 1, but then the possibility is strong that what I have is type 1, even though the diagnosis came later in life than is usual for type 1.

Well there is a huge difference as to how you are diabetic between the two...Type 1 diabetes is when your body doesnt produce enough insulin or any...Insulin is in charge of moving sugar out of our blood and into your fat and muscle cells..without insulin we are basically poisoned to death from sugar..

Type 2 ..is when you produce plenty enough insulin..but the cells in your body wont utilize the insulin..insulin resistance..the insulin sort of gets "ignored" so to speak by your fat cells and muscle cells so instead of absorbing sugar (via the insulin)out of your blood stream the sugar stays in your blood.the end result is the same..sugar in your blood continuously and at high levels..

Thats why type 1 people .have to inject insulin..they simply dont have any to begin with..and type2 people take a medication(or the point..eat helthier excerize and weight control) that corrects the cells resistance to your insulin that is already available...

If you arent taking insulin..I would be shocked that you are type 1..and arent going into diabetic siezures..shock ..and quite fankly alive..

Here is a quote about type 1..

As recently as eighty years ago, before the clinical availability of insulin, the diagnosis of type 1 diabetes - which involves a severely diminished or absent capacity to produce insulin - was a death sentence. Most people died within a few months of diagnosis.Without insulin, glucose accumulates in the blood to extremely high toxic levels; yet since it cannot be utilized by the cells, many cell types will starve. Absent or lowered fasting (basal) levels of insulin also lead the liver, kidneys, and intestines to perform gluconeogenesis, turning the body's protein store - the muscles and vital organs - into even more glucose that the body cannot utilize.Meanwhile, the kidneys, the filters of the blood, try to rid the body of inappropriately high levels of sugar. Frequent urination causes insatiable thirst and dehydration. Eventually, the starving body turns more and more protein to sugar.

Source.. Insulin and Type 1 Diabetes : Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution

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