Why did Germanwings' Andreas Lubitz crash Airbus A320 on March 24?

[Paxton25]

There are 2 implicit ''why'' questions here:

1) Why was Andreas Lubitz homicidal/suicidal?
2) Why did Lubitz take the actions that he did on March 24, 2015?

Here is an updated version of events which contains additional info regarding these questions I didn't have before I threw in my ''2 cents.'' (He may not be as diabolical as I thought.)

'I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever': Killer pilot's ex-girlfriend says he shared chilling prophecy before Alps crash and woke up from nightmares shouting 'we're going down' | Daily Mail Online

1) Why was Andreas Lubitz homicidal-suicidal?
I've surfed the net and read enough articles to obtain possible explanations, some factual, some speculative:
- suffering from depression
- under psychiatric care
- taking SSRI antidepressants (the meds taken by most mass murderers)
- shredded notes were found from his psychiatrist stating he was unfit for duty
- was afraid he'd lose his job and never be able to fly again
- girlfriend was a Muslim & converted him to Islam
- girlfriend left him
- was feeling distraught

This question will never be fully answered, even if detectives trace his steps for the last year and search crews find enough of Lubitz's brain in the debris to analyze it.

The first question holds no lingering interest for me because Andreas Lubitz is dead--you can't put ''Humpty Dumpty'' together again, but others may wish to discuss it.

 

[Paxton25]

2) Why did the Lubitz take the actions that he did on March 24, 2015?

This is the question that piqued my interest. Lubitz's actions, unlike his psychological condition, were stable, precise, and calculated. He achieved his goal and had enough time to relax and be satisfied with his ''accomplishment'' for at least 10 minutes before the Germanwings A320 crashed into the French Alps and killed everyone on board.

The goal of murder-suicide was obvious, but seemed incomplete. I was convinced there had to be something more than the ''usual'' 15 minutes of infamy (sadly, mass murders are commonplace in the world today).

 

[Senator Cheese]

1) Why was Andreas Lubitz homicidal-suicidal?
I've surfed the net and read enough articles to obtain possible explanations, some factual, some speculative:
- suffering from depression
- under psychiatric care
- taking SSRI antidepressants (the meds taken by most mass murderers)
- shredded notes were found from his psychiatrist stating he was unfit for duty
- was afraid he'd lose his job and never be able to fly again
- girlfriend was a Muslim & converted him to Islam
- girlfriend left him
- was feeling distraught

"SSRI antidepressants" being "the meds taken by most mass murderers" is a bit of a rough shot. Though there have been studies that detail how SSRIs increase activity levels before improving mood and emotional stability, it's wrong to suggest that these pharmaceuticals contribute profoundly to homicidal behavior.

Judging by what the media has shared with us, Lubitz was suffering from a psychiatric condition and had acutely decompensated prior to entering the plane. That's all we know.

We don't know what kind of psychiatric condition this was - nor the ramifications for his future. Schizophrenia is known to cause delusional states in which the patients completely lose their grip on reality. Similar explanations go for dissociative disorders, in which patients briefly disconnect their consciousness from their active body states (these patients sometimes flee their hometown and drive several miles into some direction before regaining "consciousness" and being unaware of how they got there).

Unless prosecutors and the press shed more light into the nature of the psychiatric condition and the surrounding factors, we will not know the precise mechanisms that could explain this horrible tragedy.

Something that speaks against the theory that this was an act of Muslim (or Jewish) terror is the fact that Lubitz did not make any political statements or leave any type of religious manifesto in light of the crime.

After all, what's the point of "terrorizing" a nation if you make it look like your actions were the result of a psychiatric condition or even leave everyone in the dark and assuming that this was a technical malfunction?

It's easier to wish that our law enforcement officials are holding back some controversial piece of information than to accept the fact that the moment that you enter a plane, a surgical ward or even a tram line - you're giving the responsibility for your life to someone else, a complete stranger that you don't even know.
Schizophrenia has a prevalence of 1% in the general populace. Depressive episodes are found in as much as 20% of the general populace. That means that for every 100 people you know, one will have Schizophrenia and about 20 will have suffered from a depression. Psychiatric disorders are quite common.

 

[Messy]

"SSRI antidepressants" being "the meds taken by most mass murderers" is a bit of a rough shot. Though there have been studies that detail how SSRIs increase activity levels before improving mood and emotional stability, it's wrong to suggest that these pharmaceuticals contribute profoundly to homicidal behavior.

He already was possessed and that only made it worse. I never would have done a suïcide attempt although I had these thoughts and a demon or more and anger. I did a suïcide at tempt direct after he gave me prozac and didn't believe me because I wasn't suïcidal and doubled the dose.

 

[Audacious]

"SSRI antidepressants" being "the meds taken by most mass murderers" is a bit of a rough shot. Though there have been studies that detail how SSRIs increase activity levels before improving mood and emotional stability, it's wrong to suggest that these pharmaceuticals contribute profoundly to homicidal behavior.

Since depression is often comorbid with other mental health conditions, and SSRIs are effective in providing at least partial treatment to a huge number of mental health conditions besides depression, as well as being very low-risk and light on side effects, they are prescribed in a huge number of cases of mental illness. This means that, if you are mentally ill, the chances that you are going to be prescribed an SSRI are rather high compared to any other random medication; since the vast majority of mass murderers are mentally ill (whether diagnosed or not), this leads to the correlation of mass murderers having taken SSRI-class antidepressants.

It is a very simple case of correlation, rather than causation. This is a well-studied connection and there is no reason to believe that SSRIs increase homicidal thoughts.

He already was possessed and that only made it worse. I never would have done a suïcide attempt although I had these thoughts and a demon or more and anger. I did a suïcide at tempt direct after he gave me prozac and didn't believe me because I wasn't suïcidal and doubled the dose.

Look, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with an antidepressant (and, apparently, a psychiatrist), but that doesn't mean the answer was demonic possession. Certain people react badly to certain antidepressants -- it's a game of chance, and usually, the risk is well worth the reward (because the risk is very, very tiny.). Anger is a depression symptom, and so is suicidal ideation. I'm not saying that sudden, almost-without-warning suicide is the norm, but the symptoms that led up to it were certainly within the norm for the disease you were diagnosed with.

Perhaps you should see a new psychiatrist, rather than complain about demons that may not even exist.

 

[bill5]

1) Who cares?
2) Because he was warped in the head in a variety of sad yet repulsive ways.

This is being made a lot more complicated then it is IMO.

Don't get me wrong; I have very strong sympathies for someone who is so miserable and enduring such intense and chronic pain that they think the best alternative is to end their life. However those feelings basically evaporate when they decide to take others with them. He will rightfully be remembered as murdering scum. To each their own, but to me the rest is over-analyzing, seeing things that aren't necessarily there, and about as interesting as watching paint dry and I'd rather do that than think about it further, short of a prayer to the innocents lost and those who cared about them.

 

[dgiharris]

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1) Why was Andreas Lubitz homicidal-suicidal?
.....- girlfriend was a Muslim & converted him to Islam
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What the heck is wrong with you people who keep equating Islam with terrorism and murder and now suicide?

The mental midgetry required to believe such nonsense is offensive and I'm not even Muslim.

please stop associating some nutball's actions with an entire demographic and religion.

There are a billion Muslims on the planet including thousands that serve in our Armed Forces. In fact, I personally know of one who sits in an American Nuclear Silo with a key and his hand literally on the button. If they were all homicidal terrorists then this World would burn. So please stop with the inferences and judging an entire class of people based on what 0.0001% of them do

 

[Senator Cheese]

Since depression is often comorbid with other mental health conditions, and SSRIs are effective in providing at least partial treatment to a huge number of mental health conditions besides depression, as well as being very low-risk and light on side effects, they are prescribed in a huge number of cases of mental illness. This means that, if you are mentally ill, the chances that you are going to be prescribed an SSRI are rather high compared to any other random medication; since the vast majority of mass murderers are mentally ill (whether diagnosed or not), this leads to the correlation of mass murderers having taken SSRI-class antidepressants.

It is a very simple case of correlation, rather than causation. This is a well-studied connection and there is no reason to believe that SSRIs increase homicidal thoughts.

Exactly.
Although it does have to be said that SSRIs are contraindicated during phases of acute suicidality except in clinical settings for precisely the reason that their thymoleptic effect is unraveled only after its stimulating effects. As such, the assumption that SSRIs contribute to extended suicides is plausible - however a correlation/causation with actual mass-murderers is far-fetched.

Look, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with an antidepressant (and, apparently, a psychiatrist), but that doesn't mean the answer was demonic possession. Certain people react badly to certain antidepressants -- it's a game of chance, and usually, the risk is well worth the reward (because the risk is very, very tiny.). Anger is a depression symptom, and so is suicidal ideation. I'm not saying that sudden, almost-without-warning suicide is the norm, but the symptoms that led up to it were certainly within the norm for the disease you were diagnosed with.

Perhaps you should see a new psychiatrist, rather than complain about demons that may not even exist.

Only out of curiosity - are you in medical or psychological training by any chance?

 

[Messy]

Only out of curiosity - are you in medical or psychological training by any chance?

Not anymore, That was in 2009 with a postnatal depression and divorce. I'm set free now.

 

[Senator Cheese]

What the heck is wrong with you people who keep equating Islam with terrorism and murder and now suicide?

The mental midgetry required to believe such nonsense is offensive and I'm not even Muslim.

please stop associating some nutball's actions with an entire demographic and religion.

There are a billion Muslims on the planet including thousands that serve in our Armed Forces. In fact, I personally know of one who sits in an American Nuclear Silo with a key and his hand literally on the button. If they were all homicidal terrorists then this World would burn. So please stop with the inferences and judging an entire class of people based on what 0.0001% of them do

There's no reason to assume that the pilot converted to Islam.
Just as much as there's no reason to assume that any Islamic convert is a terrorist.

Nonetheless, perhaps you should act less condescending towards individuals who do not share your blatant embrace of a political ideology that calls for the death and torment of so many peoples on this planet. Throwing "0.0001%" into the room doesn't really help your case, either. Where are you getting this number from? Did you just fabricate this number?

Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

"Tragically, almost one in four (25%) British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror."

"Rejection of attacks on civilians in the US was strongest among Azerbaijanis (81%), followed by Turks (74%), Jordanians (68%), and Palestinians (59%)."
=> 40% approval of attacks on US soil in Palestine

"Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not. "
=> 62% rejection of freedom of speech

"Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws"
=> 50% of British Muslims support Sharia law

"Also concerning freedom of speech, as the NOP Research survey reports, "hardcore Islamists" constitute nine percent of the British Muslim population. A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29 percent of the British Muslim population. Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined. "
=> 9% radical Islamists
=> 29% "staunch defenders" willing to employ violence against perceived threats

 

[florida2]

I believe this plane crash was an attack against Germany by Lubitz.

Doesn't really make a huge deal of sense. Only half of the passengers were German - why not choose a flight with more?

Why not fly the plane into a German town? Or indeed in Germany itself?

To crash a plane half filled with Germans in France doesn't sound like much of an attack on Germany, to be honest.

 

[dgiharris]

There's no reason to assume that the pilot converted to Islam.
Just as much as there's no reason to assume that any Islamic convert is a terrorist.

Nonetheless, perhaps you should act less condescending towards individuals who do not share your blatant embrace of a political ideology that calls for the death and torment of so many peoples on this planet. Throwing "0.0001%" into the room doesn't really help your case, either. Where are you getting this number from? Did you just fabricate this number?
...

I was referring to the amount of Muslims who would be willing to fly a plane into the side of a mountain.

That is far different from surveys done on complex political issues.

 

[Senator Cheese]

I was referring to the amount of Muslims who would be willing to fly a plane into the side of a mountain.

That is far different from surveys done on complex political issues.

The question whether or not 7/7 bombings or 9/11 was justified is not a "complex political issue" but a very simple and straightforward example of how vile and despicable this political ideology is in its roots.

But whatever - to each his own beliefs. I for one would be very delighted if you're correct in your assumption that the threat of Islam is grossly exagerrated.

Back to the topic:

Doesn't really make a huge deal of sense. Only half of the passengers were German - why not choose a flight with more?

Why not fly the plane into a German town? Or indeed in Germany himself?

To crash a plane half filled with Germans in France doesn't sound like much of an attack on Germany, to be honest.

Yup. That pretty much sums it up.
Also kind of makes no sense to "attack Germany" without actually calling it an attack and risking that this crash is blamed on technical error.

 

[florida2]

Yup. That pretty much sums it up.
Also kind of makes no sense to "attack Germany" without actually calling it an attack and risking that this crash is blamed on technical error.

Paxton's conspiracy threads don't have to make any sense.

By now we should all be in government camps after having all guns taken away and then all killed by Fukishima radiation, according to his posts.

 

[Paxton25]

I was referring to the amount of Muslims who would be willing to fly a plane into the side of a mountain.

That is far different from surveys done on complex political issues.

The A320 crash being attributed to Islam is a creation of social media by numerous jihad/ISIS sympathizers who paid tribute to Lubitz's actions with hundreds of pictures and artwork with Arabic writing on Facebook and Twitter.

 

[katsung47]

890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)

I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.

In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.

Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.

Who was Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot blamed for crash?

By Diana Magnay, Ashley Fantz and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
, Fri March 27, 2015

The only sound the recorder picked up from Lubitz as the Airbus A320 went down, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, was the co-pilot's steady breathing.

Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot hid illness, prosecutor says - CNN.com

I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave

“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.

 

[Anafany]

Please. Seek professional help. Like now.

 

[Sneggardly209]

im definitely on board with the mind control super sleep wave wmd deal theory. so much more interesting than the "hes crazy and/or muslim" theory. i blame the christians. they put everyone to sleep with their bible studies

 

[like eagleswings]

890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)

I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.

In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.

Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.



I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave

“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.

he was not in a deep sleep, they tried to access via the key code, which allows access in emergency, to stop this , you have to flick the switch to lock again ,which delays access for (another 20 mins as far as i have heard about the cabin door) so the co-pilot was awake, he denied them emmergency access.

 

[NightHawkeye]

What the heck is wrong with you people who keep equating Islam with terrorism and murder and now suicide?

The mental midgetry required to believe such nonsense is offensive and I'm not even Muslim.

The mental midgetry required to consciously and repeatedly ignore obvious Muslim connections is profound.

BREAKING: German Media Site Says Germanwings Co-Pilot Was Muslim Convert | TPNN

The report also claimed that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend, but it is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash or if he met the woman through Muslims friends.

Other news media are reporting that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah. They were supposed to marry next year.​

Is anyone refuting that this girlfriend was Islamic? It's not difficult to understand how someone as unstable as Lubbitz would be susceptible to influences which others would easily reject. Love and religion are regularly blamed for all manner of ill-considered actions.

Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form.​

Just imagine the outcry if Lubbitz had been Christian and "right-wing".