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Why can the federal government force national recalls on all products - except GUNS?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by jgarden, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Crusader05

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    I'd be very afraid what some would label "defective" or 'unsafe", I'm sure some gun grabbers would want to mandate a recall for "unsafe" guns because it can successfully fire bullets.

    Almost all guns are manufactured to very high standards. Most semi-auto handguns should be able to fire thousands of round between jams or malfunctions. In fact, most malfunctions are the result of bad ammo or an issue with the magazine, not the gun itself.
     
  2. cow451

    cow451 CEO, Acme Drone Company

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    A more realistic comparison would be to compare injuries and deaths per use. I probably use my vehicle at least ten times per week. How many guns get used ten times per week. Don't you hate statistics?:cool:
     
  3. miniverchivi

    miniverchivi Separate Entirely... Supporter

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    With the increasing number of CCW holders, I would say guns get used quite a bit more than you'd think.

    I literally take my CCW pistol with me everywhere I go, thus, my firearm gets used everytime my car does.

    "Use" doesn't equal "pulling the trigger". If you go somewhere and it's in your holster, you're using it.
     
  4. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    I wonder how many gazillion rounds are shot each year?

    But even that stat wouldn't actually say anything about product safety as most car/gun deaths and injuries are from misuse and abuse, not defects.

    You hear a lot about people negligently shooting themselves or others, but not so much about say, guns blowing up and such when using ammo loaded within well-known safe limits. You do hear about the occasional idiot who blew up his .40 Glock or whatever with too hot reloads, but even in such cases serious injury is rare.
     
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  5. Crusader05

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    A bit of an unrealistic comparison, would you consider the gun being present in a home as a 'use' or is it only when it's being shot? Either way it's tough to compare it because most people aren't shooting their guns every day. My guns mostly sit in their cases at home until I take them to the range for target shooting a couple times a month.
     
  6. cow451

    cow451 CEO, Acme Drone Company

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    A car sitting in the driveway isn't likely to be in an accident. If I only drive twice a month, my car is less likely to be in an accident.
     
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    miniverchivi Separate Entirely... Supporter

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    That would be almost impossible to calculate ^_^

    I do about 100-200 round per week (I go my gun club for practice once or twice a week), and if I do the shooting league again this year like I did last year, it'll be closer to 400 rounds per week.

    In my experience, you'd be hard pressed to find a gun with a safety malfunction unless you really tried to find the cheapest foreign off-brand you could possibly buy.

    I've bought $300 guns and I've bought $2800 guns...never had a single malfunction.
     
  8. Crusader05

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    Yeah I understand that, but I'm trying to say is that from a statistical perspective it isn't helpful to discuss uses because people use their cars and firearms differently, they're entirely different items with different uses.
     
  9. cow451

    cow451 CEO, Acme Drone Company

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    Since it's not helpful to compare uses, why use cars as a comparison?
     
  10. jgarden

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    Miniverchivi" and the gun-lobby will have to find some other product "to take the cake" before 2015, once "car deaths" fall below deaths associated with guns.

    Unlike the gun industry that has been exempted from government safety standards and recalls, the car industry has reduced its car deaths/injuries due to "safer vehicles, restricted privileges for young drivers and seat-belt and other laws."

    In addition, unlike deaths associated with guns, virtually all automobile deaths are "accidental or suicides."
     
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    How will we ever know - the NRA and their supporters have arranged for Congress to forbid federal government agencies from conducting the product safety studies that would either confirm or reject your assertions!
     
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    Infanticide via abortion kills far more. Ban scalpels?
     
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    Oh, you must have missed the part where it said "probably" and where it was the author's opinion based on cherry picked data trends.

    Wow, jumping the gun (pun intended) on posting things before researching them, eh?

    If you look at the overall stats, less than a third of the gun deaths are homicides.

    Even the heavily-left skewing stats from the Brady center report it at barely over a third:
    57% are suicides
    37% homicide
    6% are accidents

    People like yourself keep referring to the intent as if that has some impact or lessen the blow of the end result.

    If cars kill more people than guns, the fact that guns are designed for killing and cars are designed for driving doesn't make one bit of difference.

    In fact, the fact that cars are more likely to kill by accident, that makes them more unstable and unpredictable than guns. If over half of the gun deaths are suicides, those are people who want to take their own life and mean no harm to anyone else (low danger risk to the general public).

    ...and if I'm not mistaken, I've heard many folks on the left say that the right to suicide is a human right and if a person really wants to die, it'd be unethical to force them to keep living. (not sure if you were one of them or not). and to those folks I say, be consistent. If your view is that someone having the right to put themselves out of their own pain is ethical and moral, don't switch sides and claim that suicide is bad in efforts to boost the numbers for your side of the gun-control argument.

    ...and when looking at suicide statistics, it's plain to see that they'll just find another way when a gun isn't available (intentional self poisoning/overdose seems to be a popular one).

    As I mentioned in another thread, when I hear the argument that uses the logic of looking at "what the object is designed for", rather than looking at the statistics, using that logic, one could say that leaving your 2 year old unattended with a boxing glove is a bigger danger than leaving them unattended with a swimming pool...because as we know, boxing gloves are designed for hitting people in the face and swimming pools are designed for summer fun.
     
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    Bolding mine.

    But I'd bet there are some in the control guns camp who would consider that a defect in the gun.

    Personally I thnik the law preventing recalls of guns is a bad law. I'd be even more concerned if I owned or intended ot own a gun. There have been some very very (almost always very very cheap) bad guns.

    But I understand why when the pro gun crowd had the votes they pushed this through. On this like so many issues it hurts us all that the reasonable people in hte middle seem to end up disenfranchised.
     
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    Problem with your argument is the left has tried this tactic to try to force gun manufacturers out of business using the tactic known as lawsuit harassment...
     
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    Yup. It's prone to abuse by tyrants. "Gun control" is all about control. It's about controlling others. You know: God does not put guns in Hell because guns are not evil. However, I wager there are more than a few people in Hell who in their lives confiscated weapons from the masses.
     
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    As others have said guns exploding in people's hands are extremely rare, guns just don't 'go off'. Please explain what kind of safety studies we need to conduct?

    It just seems like this talk of "safety studies" and recalls on guns is a smokescreen for confiscation.
     
  18. Jeffwhosoever

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    Another thread to argue that more federal/central government is needed to save us. We need less government, not more. Do we really want to become the USSA?
     
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