Who says animals do not have feelings?

[Jan Volkes]

Watch this.

http://www.fuzzfix.com/a-lioness-ca...&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=outbrainROW

 

[DogmaHunter]

Anyone who has pets like cats and dogs knows that animals do have emotion, character, temper.
They can even get depressed and euforical.

Scenes like the one you linked are quite rare though. I'm not really sure if the motivation of the lioness is really what we interpret it to be.

For all we know, the lioness just wanted a fun (moving) toy to play with, while scaring of the lions was nothing but "whaaa, this is my toy, get your own!!!!" - kind of like how housecats keep mice alive to play with.
But it sure could be an act of compassion. It's not like it never happened before (inter-species random protection or "friendships").

Incredible pictures though!

 

[nebulaJP]

Scenes like the one you linked are quite rare though.

How can we know that? Here are more instances:

 

[DogmaHunter]

How can we know that? Here are more instances:

Because most times, things like this don't happen.
Animals are being watched a lot. A lot.

The fact that it's always big news to observe something like this, is evidence that it's not really common behaviour.

 

[AV1611VET]

Watch this.

http://www.fuzzfix.com/a-lioness-ca...&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=outbrainROW

Watch THIS:

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because most times, things like this don't happen.
Animals are being watched a lot. A lot.

The fact that it's always big news to observe something like this, is evidence that it's not really common behaviour.

Perhaps they're telling us something, eh?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Perhaps they're telling us something, eh?

Or perhaps (read: most likely) you are just reading things into it with an unhealthy dose of confirmation bias.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or perhaps (read: most likely) you are just reading things into it with an unhealthy dose of confirmation bias.

Suit yourself.

I'm not the one scratching my head over this.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Suit yourself.

I'm not the one scratching my head over this.

Perhaps that's the problem
You never question things...

 

[Zosimus]

Argument 1:
Animals seem to have feelings.
Therefore, animals really do have feelings.

Argument 2:
Animals seem to be intelligently designed.
Therefore, animals really are intelligently designed.
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If you accept argument 1 but reject argument 2, I would like to know why.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Argument 1:
Animals seem to have feelings.
Therefore, animals really do have feelings.

Argument 2:
Animals seem to be intelligently designed.
Therefore, animals really are intelligently designed.
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If you accept argument 1 but reject argument 2, I would like to know why.

Argument 1 makes testable predictions.
We can actually study animals and their psychology.

We can look at things like euforia, depression, anger, happyness in humans and compare this to behaviour we see in animals.

Argument 2 is just a statement with no merrit whatsoever.

 

[Zosimus]

Argument 1 makes testable predictions.
We can actually study animals and their psychology.

We can look at things like euforia, depression, anger, happyness in humans and compare this to behaviour we see in animals.

Argument 2 is just a statement with no merrit whatsoever.

Could I get an argument from someone educated enough to spell euphoria, happiness, and merit correctly? Thanks.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Could I get an argument from someone educated enough to spell euphoria, happiness, and merit correctly? Thanks.

Let's see you write with flawless spelling in MY native language.

Clearly, you understood every word I wrote.

How juvenile....

 

[DogmaHunter]

Argument 1:
Animals seem to have feelings.
Therefore, animals really do have feelings.

Argument 2:
Animals seem to be intelligently designed.
Therefore, animals really are intelligently designed.
-----------------------
If you accept argument 1 but reject argument 2, I would like to know why.

Ow, and how could I miss the absolute obvious....

I'll rephrase my answer and make it a bit more focused....

"Emotion" is something that can be properly defined in the field of psychology. Making it clear what exactly is meant by it.

The proponents of "intelligent design" however, especially on this site, refuse to (or simply can't) provide a proper definition of what "design" is and how it can be detected.

So the main difference between both arguments, I would say, is that one is properly defined while the other isn't.

 

[Zosimus]

Let's see you write with flawless spelling in MY native language.

Clearly, you understood every word I wrote.

How juvenile....

What is the native language of Antwerp?

 

[Zosimus]

Ow, and how could I miss the absolute obvious....

I'll rephrase my answer and make it a bit more focused....

"Emotion" is something that can be properly defined in the field of psychology. Making it clear what exactly is meant by it.

The proponents of "intelligent design" however, especially on this site, refuse to (or simply can't) provide a proper definition of what "design" is and how it can be detected.

So the main difference between both arguments, I would say, is that one is properly defined while the other isn't.

Intelligent design. Which part don't you understand?

Intelligent
or
design?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Anyone who has pets like cats and dogs knows that animals do have emotion, character, temper.

Mammals pretty much have all the same hormones working in the brain. Only some mate for life and some do not.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/11-animals-that-mate-for-life/prairie-voles

 

[Loudmouth]

Could I get an argument from someone educated enough to spell euphoria, happiness, and merit correctly? Thanks.

Please address the arguments.

 

[crjmurray]

Could I get an argument from someone educated enough to spell euphoria, happiness, and merit correctly? Thanks.

And you speak flawless German, right?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The animal world is filled with demons. Sometimes they screw with us.