who or what is the Devil, Satan, that old serpent, the great dragon?

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2 Corinthians 4:

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Note the use of the SMALL 'g' in god. The 'god of THIS WORLD' is NOT the Father of Christ. The 'god of this world' is Satan, the devil, that old serpent, great dragon. For this world does NOT follow God, but the 'god of this world'. And the 'god of this world' has many 'angels' that do his bidding. I call them DEMONS.

So, WHO IS this 'god of this world'?

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He is the spirit of Lucifer who wants to be God but better. What does God do? He creates people and then saves their souls when they worship Him. Well through science Satan (Lucifers earthly name)has the goal of creating the immortal human who he can keep forever on earth and never die. Through cloning and DNA manipulation this is being done as we speak and the antichrist will hit the scene as soon as enough clones are ready and the conscience transfer capabilities are perfected by uploading souls onto software and then downloading them into hard drives. It sounds outlandish I know but it's supposed to. That's how they are getting over on everyone. The NWO is about enslavement and keeping who is left on software to be microchipped and controlled and around forever on earth to never meet God . When your body dies they upload you to a new clone and you belong to Satan. That's been the ultimate goal of Lucifer since the beginning. That's the end game.
 
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Lucifer, or Satan has many names as well as many likenesses. A father of lies, crafty and cunning-a master of deception, relyant on disguise. An angel of light by day-a twisted dragon by night.

He is the beginning of this war, and our creation was a direct result of his rebellion. The kingdom was handed over to him and his fallen, and mankind are destined to live amongst them.

And those who pose a threat to them and their kingdom are faced to fight a war that many cannot perceive. A prophetic war of divine thoughts and words that have the ability to uproot kingdoms while establishing new ones...

Lucifer has decieved the whole world, and the darkness has consumed it. But the Light will shine in the darkness, and prevail the righteous over the wicked ,who live and fight by faith...

Faith by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God...
 
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Lucifer, or Satan has many names as well as many likenesses. A father of lies, crafty and cunning-a master of deception, relyant on disguise. An angel of light by day-a twisted dragon by night.

He is the beginning of this war, and our creation was a direct result of his rebellion. The kingdom was handed over to him and his fallen, and mankind are destined to live amongst them.

And those who pose a threat to them and their kingdom are faced to fight a war that many cannot perceive. A prophetic war of divine thoughts and words that have the ability to uproot kingdoms while establishing new ones...

Lucifer has decieved the whole world, and the darkness has consumed it. But the Light will shine in the darkness, and prevail the righteous over the wicked ,who live and fight by faith...

Faith by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God...

Nice posts and welcome to the forum. It's always refreshing to hear the TRUTH as it is MEANT to be. The Spirit certainly recognizes the Spirit.

While we might find ourselves at some future moment not agreeing on everything, we can certainly find solace in our agreement here.

Satan OWNS this planet and all it's resources: Including most of it's inhabitants. And he uses these 'things' to accomplish his goal: to MAKE himself GOD. And the ONLY way that's possible to recognize is through men WORSHIPING him as God. And he was obviously in heaven as God's most accomplished angel long enough to KNOW how to MIMIC God himself. Even to the point of being able to produce miracles and lying wonders.

Blessings,

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He is the spirit of Lucifer who wants to be God but better. Well through science Satan (Lucifers earthly name)has the goal of creating the immortal human who he can keep forever on earth and never die..
Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
that by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost; of THIS WORLD, means simply mankind at large in their state of probation in this lower world, in opposition to their state in the world to come. The same meaning the word has in several other places, to which l need not refer; it simply implying the present state of things, governed by the Divine providence, in contradistinction from the eternal state: and it is very remarkable that, in 1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is calledτω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.
Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients The Adam Clarke Commentary
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=2co&chapter=004
What penalty will suffer, everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
2 Thessalonicher 1:9 (Elberfelder 1905 (German))
Deu 7:10 And repayeth them that hate Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that hateth Him,He will repay him to his face.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Joh 9:39 ¶ And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
DRΑGON AT ΒΑΒΥLΟΝ.: 3. In the New Test. dragοn (δρακων) is only found in the Αροcalypse (Rev. xii, 3, 4, 7, 9, 16, 17, etc.), as applied metaphorically to "the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan," the description of the “ dragon" being dictated by the symbolical meaning ïf the image rather than by any reference to any actually existing creature.
Some say that Isaiah 14:12. "How are you fallen from heaven, O bright star [or shining one], son of the morning [or son of dawn]! how are you cut down to the ground, you who ruled the nations!" is about the "devil". Part of this is due to the fact that the term bright star or shining one is translated in Latin to lucifer, which means shining one. Now, the context of the verse and a bit of knowledge of history reviels that this is about the Babylonian empire. One of the main dieties of Babylon was "Ishtar", who was the "god" who was the morning star. Shining one, son of dawn is the morning star. The prophet was avoiding the use of the name of the not-god Ishtar. Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
 
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Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
that by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost; of THIS WORLD, means simply mankind at large in their state of probation in this lower world, in opposition to their state in the world to come. The same meaning the word has in several other places, to which l need not refer; it simply implying the present state of things, governed by the Divine providence, in contradistinction from the eternal state: and it is very remarkable that, in 1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is calledτω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.
Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients The Adam Clarke Commentary
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=2co&chapter=004
What penalty will suffer, everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
2 Thessalonicher 1:9 (Elberfelder 1905 (German))
Deu 7:10 And repayeth them that hate Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that hateth Him,He will repay him to his face.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Joh 9:39 ¶ And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
DRΑGON AT ΒΑΒΥLΟΝ.: 3. In the New Test. dragοn (δρακων) is only found in the Αροcalypse (Rev. xii, 3, 4, 7, 9, 16, 17, etc.), as applied metaphorically to "the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan," the description of the “ dragon" being dictated by the symbolical meaning ïf the image rather than by any reference to any actually existing creature.
Some say that Isaiah 14:12. "How are you fallen from heaven, O bright star [or shining one], son of the morning [or son of dawn]! how are you cut down to the ground, you who ruled the nations!" is about the "devil". Part of this is due to the fact that the term bright star or shining one is translated in Latin to lucifer, which means shining one. Now, the context of the verse and a bit of knowledge of history reviels that this is about the Babylonian empire. One of the main dieties of Babylon was "Ishtar", who was the "god" who was the morning star. Shining one, son of dawn is the morning star. The prophet was avoiding the use of the name of the not-god Ishtar. Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
What are you trying to say? I know what the Bible says but quoting some scripture doesn't prove your point or tell me what you're trying to say....
 
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What are you trying to say? I know what the Bible says but quoting some scripture doesn't prove your point or tell me what you're trying to say....
Huh? Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. Who are the ones that have been tricked by lying translators? Do you know what the END according to their works means? What exactly are their works?
Do you understand the meaning of BURNED UP?
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For the trickster [Mohammad] himself changes himself into an messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his servants also transform themselves into messengers of righteousness,
whose end will be according to their works.
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:
and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
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Huh? Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. Who are the ones that have been tricked by lying translators? Do you know what the END according to their works means? What exactly are their works?
Do you understand the meaning of BURNED UP?
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For the trickster [Mohammad] himself changes himself into an messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his servants also transform themselves into messengers of righteousness,
whose end will be according to their works.
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:
and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
New King James Version
Huh? Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. Who are the ones that have been tricked by lying translators? Do you know what the END according to their works means? What exactly are their works?
Do you understand the meaning of BURNED UP?
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For the trickster [Mohammad] himself changes himself into an messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his servants also transform themselves into messengers of righteousness,
whose end will be according to their works.
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:
and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
New King James Version
It is no question that the end will happen in fire. This is what is to become of the earth on The Day of the Lord. Everyone knows this don't they? The righteous shall meet the Lord in the air before it is consumed by fire? Then the New Heaven and earth with a New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven. This I am not quoting but am giving my understanding to the scriptures. I will not insult you by quoting verses you already know but am giving testimony of the true words that can be found in the gospel of our Lord. My original point was merely that the devil will use medicine science and technology to fool the whole world and people will scoff and dismiss this notion altogether. That's the whole idea.
 
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This is where individuals need to discern the spiritual side of divinity. What is the spiritual depiction of fire and burning? What are the spiritual aspects of briars and thorns? Ask the right questions in good faith, and the truth behind everything becomes crystal clear. Like that of a river flowing with the water of life...
 
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My original point was merely that the devil will use medicine science and technology to fool the whole world and people will scoff and dismiss this notion altogether. That's the whole idea.
Medicine science? The only medicine they will need is what is spewed out by Islamic nations in the name of or who appear to be like God and our God will utterly burn them all up. He will then restore Jerusalem on the previous Mt. Zion. You better not be looking to go up into the sky because God will bring it down from heaven and establish His new Kingdom here on the earth. "Thy Kingdom COME they will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming with the (νεφελων) fine bird-net of heaven.[ LSJ] fine bird-net, in pl., Ar.Av.194,528 (anap.), Call.Aet.3.1.37, Gal.UP1.2, Ath.1.25d: in sg., AP6.11 (Satyr.), 109 (Antip.), 185 (Zos.).
Why a bird net? Bird netting is a 100% effective, low-profile, & lasting solution against pest infestation. Install bird netting wherever you want to keep pests out. The application will provide protection of areas where products, crops, & other valuable property [people] must be kept safe. - See more at: http://www.bird-x.com/bird-netting-...=dtcproducts-birdnetting#sthash.HWb3iAbT.dpuf Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
 
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I've caughy wind of some wolves in sheeps clothing on this site. Snakes in the grass trying to cause confusion for those who are untrained. I think I'll stick around for them and shake things up a bit. Youre always going after the sheep-pathetic. Well, now you get to deal with a lion...
 
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Medicine science? The only medicine they will need is what is spewed out by Islamic nations in the name of or who appear to be like God and our God will utterly burn them all up. He will then restore Jerusalem on the previous Mt. Zion. You better not be looking to go up into the sky because God will bring it down from heaven and establish His new Kingdom here on the earth. "Thy Kingdom COME they will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming with the (νεφελων) fine bird-net of heaven.[ LSJ] fine bird-net, in pl., Ar.Av.194,528 (anap.), Call.Aet.3.1.37, Gal.UP1.2, Ath.1.25d: in sg., AP6.11 (Satyr.), 109 (Antip.), 185 (Zos.).
Why a bird net? Bird netting is a 100% effective, low-profile, & lasting solution against pest infestation. Install bird netting wherever you want to keep pests out. The application will provide protection of areas where products, crops, & other valuable property [people] must be kept safe. - See more at: http://www.bird-x.com/bird-netting-...=dtcproducts-birdnetting#sthash.HWb3iAbT.dpuf Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
HELLO??READ YOUR BOOK PLEASE. THES.1 4:17 "..after that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." So why wouldn't I ?
I'm just going by what it says man so where am I wrong?
 
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Clouds spiritually depict the greater expanse of waters in the heavens-living waters, or divine knowledge.

To meet Him in the air spiritually represents the reconciliation that is prophesied through the power of His Spirit-coinciding with knowledge and love...

So His coming and descending to meet us-in the air amongst the clouds is a spiritual representation of one who reconciles themselves to Him through His Living Word.

For the world has taught us to close our minds and rely upon our own understanding with the elementary principles of literal translations...

For the Word of God is Living and active; sharper than any double edged sword, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart...
 
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Learn what this means:

"The Lord said to My Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

The Lord's right hand is His written Word(Heart of the Earth;foundation of the world)

Footstool for your feet-means to "understand"

So after His crucifixion, He took His place in the Word until a period of time where His enemies would understand-in the event where the Holy Spirit reveals the knowledge of that Word so those of whom He was speaking may gain the understanding...
 
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Clouds spiritually depict the greater expanse of waters in the heavens-living waters, or divine knowledge.

To meet Him in the air spiritually represents the reconciliation that is prophesied through the power of His Spirit-coinciding with knowledge and love...

So His coming and descending to meet us-in the air amongst the clouds is a spiritual representation of one who reconciles themselves to Him through His Living Word.

For the world has taught us to close our minds and rely upon our own understanding with the elementary principles of literal translations...

For the Word of God is Living and active; sharper than any double edged sword, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart...
It says what it says and you can analyze and retranslate it all you want but Jesus spoke in parables...Paul does not and none of what else said here is metaphorically spoken so I take what you say as represented as literal content. That's just me and it is my right to do so. Everyone takes what it says and twists it around "this means that and this represents that and what He meant was this hypothetically, systematically, metaphorically, symbollicaly, etc." I think some of it was "literally" and you have to go with how it sounds to your heart . I dont read the words to analyze their meaning , or look for err, but I go with howit resignates in my heart and soul.
 
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It says what it says and you can analyze and retranslate it all you want but Jesus spoke in parables...Paul does not and none of what else said here is metaphorically spoken so I take what you say as represented as literal content. That's just me and it is my right to do so. Everyone takes what it says and twists it around "this means that and this represents that and what He meant was this hypothetically, systematically, metaphorically, symbollicaly, etc." I think some of it was "literally" and you have to go with how it sounds to your heart . I dont read the words to analyze their meaning , or look for err, but I go with howit resignates in my heart and soul.
And I know what that means. I can decipher what is metaphorically and what is not . You don't need to be a Bible scholar for that because when you are a warrior of God He gives you the understanding necessary for the Word to make sense to you where others scratch their heads and say " that means nothing to me".
 
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I understand, that is very problem. The spiritual translation of the Word doesn't come from one's own translation-it comes from His Spirit. And to test it, He repeats every spiritual message all over the place in the Old and New Testaments. They all correlate with one other like puzzle pieces coming together to create a crystal clear picture that cannot be confused nor mistaken...
 
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Learn what this means:

"The Lord said to My Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

The Lord's right hand is His written Word(Heart of the Earth;foundation of the world)

Footstool for your feet-means to "understand"

So after His crucifixion, He took His place in the Word until a period of time where His enemies would understand-in the event where the Holy Spirit reveals the knowledge of that Word so those of whom He was speaking may gain the understanding...
And I dont mean to sound snappy but I dont care for the tone some people have on here and it irks me...I'm a Christian to the core but I have had a few experiences Supernaturally that may differ from what Christianity teaches and I cannot help that..It is my truth as I have lived it and when I shared some of it on here I was accused of being pagan and now the thread is closed and I can't even respond and I'm angry!!
 
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I understand, that is very problem. The spiritual translation of the Word doesn't come from one's own translation-it comes from His Spirit. And to test it, He repeats every spiritual message all over the place in the Old and New Testaments. They all correlate with one other like puzzle pieces coming together to create a crystal clear picture that cannot be confused nor mistaken...
So I apologize and I appreciate your understanding and patience. It wasn't you so...I'm sorry.
 
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