HannibalFlavius
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This is SO SIMPLE: chapter 12 was God introducing John to the dragon. Count how many times the dragon is mentioned, including pronouns. You should come to 32 times. That should convince you this chapter is about the dragon.
However, God CHOSE to show John what the dragon DID (history lesson) when Jesus was born. Remember King Herod? What nation was Jesus born from? Of course, ISRAEL. The woman then, is in reference to the nation of ISRAEL. Remember little Joseph and his dreams?
Lamad
There is nothing simple about Revelation 12 unless you can read the language.
Revelation 12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule the nations with a Rod of Iron.
Revelation 2:27 '' And he who overcomes, and keeps my works UNTIL THE END, TO HIM WILL I GIVE POWER OVER THE NATIONS''-----
'' He shall rule them with a
rod of iron;
As the potter's {VESSELS'} shall be broken to pieces.''
As I also have received from my father.
Certainly, we can say that Jesus was a child who was to be born who would rule the nations with an iron fist.
But the overcomers are also children who will be born, and obtain the same reward.
We repeat the same things.
So there still remains a day that overcomers are to be born, and who are their mothers?
I am the mother of my child.
I have raised my child in the milk of the word and he is now a meat eater.
There is also a dragon in my waters who fights against my child.
That old serpent the devil, he would have me neglect my child and stick him in a corner like an orphan and starve him to death, but I am the child's mother, and although the dragon wishes to kill my child, he will not.
Let's say that Revelation's manchild is talking about Jesus and his ascension into heaven.
There still would remain the promise of the overcomers also being born, they who will rule the nations with a rod of iron.
I would tell you that Revelation shows these overcomers being born in this world.
It shows these overcomers as virgins who give birth to full grown warrior men on the day of Firstfruits, just as we see these overcomers born in Revelation 14.
Revelation 12 is only the lead up to this birth.
A day will come when all the overcomers who have overcame, will suddenly give birth, not all Christians, just the ones who have overcame.
We see the overcomers receiving the promise while the great majority do not, they are still saved, but they did not obtain the promise when the promise came to fulfillment.
And Satan then goes to make war with the rest of the saints who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 2:23 '' Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation{birth pangs}, unless they repent of their deeds.''
I WILL KILL HER CHILDREN WITH DEATH, and all the churches shall know that I am he who searches the minds and hearts. AND I WILL GIVE EACH ONE OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS.
YOU ARE THE MOTHER AND YOU ARE THE CHILD.
But will you give birth to a manchild in the day of giving birth?
You are the mother who raises the child and you will receive accordingly what you have done in raising your child.
Will you die in childbirth?
Have you weaned your child off the milk of the word and does he understand the dark sayings of the meat of the word.
You are raising that child.
Very few people obtain the promise of giving birth to grown warrior men.
Woe to those with child and still weaning children.
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