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Where was Jesus while He was dead for three days?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Yeisu, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Yeisu

    Yeisu All my hope is in Christ

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    Ive been wondering where or what Jesus did when He was dead for three days. Where was His Spirit? Does the bible truly tell us?
     
  2. SoundCard

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    It's assumed He went down to the grave, where He lead those who were waiting in Abraham's bosom for the Messiah, and also down to the torment side it would seem according to 1 Peter 3:19-
    19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

    Ephesians 4:8-10
    8 This is why it[a] says: “When he ascended on high,
    he took many captives
    and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
    9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
     
  3. Maverick1972

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    You're touching on a subject that isn't discussed much but we do know the answers. Some commonly refer to it as, "The Second Day".

    On the second day, Christ descended into hell.

    Peter, in his first sermon, mentions the suffering of Christ’ soul in hell:
    Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Acts 2:27, KJV)
    Jesus’ soul was in hell, but not left there. Why did Jesus go to hell for us? He went there because the punishment of sin is for the soul to be cast into hell. Since Christ suffered the penalties and punishment for our sins, it stands to reason that He would have to suffer in hell, and He did.
     
  4. MinisterTony

    MinisterTony New Member

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    Absolute deceptive comment!!!

    In reference to 1 Peter 3:18-20, first of all, notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit.

    With that in view, let's ask this: When was the preaching done? The answer is plainly given in verse 20, "When once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built-- during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world.

    Now, one more question: To whom was the preaching done? The text says here "to the spirits in prison." Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed "Bring my soul out of prison." Psalm 142:7. Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." Romans 7:23.

    What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ through the Holy Spirit was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing here which indicates that Jesus departed from the body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself, that He preached by the Holy Spirit, He did it while the ark was preparing, and He did it to the spirits in prison or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin.

    BESIDES, the Scripture is clear. Read Luke 23:46

    Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost

    WHERE was the Heavenly Father? In Heaven of course. Surely you don't claim Father God is in hell too?:doh:

    The Scriptures indicate that Christ by the Holy Spirit was preaching through Noah to the spirits of those sin-bound people in Noahs day.

    The Spirit preached through Noah just as the HS has preached to every generation to whom God sent his human messengers. And it is Christ through the Spirit who done this. Noah was a 'preacher of righteousness"(2Peter 2:5) Christ's humanity truly DIED and Jesus slept in the grave in the death of sleep.

    The preaching was done "by the Spirit" (verse 18) in Noah's day to people who were then living (verses 19, 20). The "spirits in prison" refers to people whose lives were in bondage to Satan. (See Psalm 142:7; Isaiah 42:6, 7; 61:1; and Luke 4:18.)

    "All that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and shall come forth." John 5:28, 29. "David . . . is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34. "If I wait, the grave is mine house." Job 17:13.

    People do not go either to heaven or "hell" at death. They go to their graves to await the resurrection day.

    Jesus was asleep in the grave until He was resurrected!
     
  5. PROPHECYKID

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    Very well explained. I have nothing else to add. :thumbsup:
     
  6. PROPHECYKID

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    Jesus did go to hades though. The question would be what is hades?
     
  7. MinisterTony

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    The Greek word Hades is a word for the grave. Hades is the Greek equivalent of Sheol. Beyond any question, "sheol" or "hades" is a place of death, darkness & silence.

    1 Samuel 2:9


    He will guard the feet of his faithful servants,
    but the wicked will be silenced in the place of darkness.
    “It is not by strength that one prevails;

    In addition, neither the OT or NT ever speaks of "sheol" or "hades" as a realm of life. Only in the poetical imagery of Isaiah [14:4-11]and the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus are those committed to "sheol" or "hades" said to perform acts of the living. Purely and clearly figurative.

    In the NT, 10 times from "Hades," which means "the grave".

    An interesting point to note is that Hades cannot be the place of hell-fire since the KJV clearly says that hell itself (Hades) will be cast in to the lake of fire! How can this be so? If Hades (hell in the KJV) is fire how can it be cast into itself? See Rev 20:14. The obvious meaning of the text is that "death and hell [the grave, the place of the dead] were cast into the lake of fire", that is all that is a reminder of sin will be exterminated!
     
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    Thank you.

    And I wonder why would God have a resurrection if people are already alive in heaven.
     
  9. PROPHECYKID

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    This would have been my answer but I love how you explain it so I decided to ask the question instead of explaining it myself. :D
     
  10. PROPHECYKID

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    Makes no sense at all. So the thief on the cross would have been in heaven 2000+ years now. It would mean he would have already put on immortality but then the bible says the only one who is immortal is God and also that at the second coming this mortal shall put on immortality.
     
  11. MinisterTony

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    Well my Bible says that the thief didn't actually die that day. Read John 19:32-33. Why would they break his legs and stop him from getting away if he was already dead?

    There was absolutely NO punctuation marks in the original Scriptures. They were not introduced until many centuries after the NT was written. Only the earliest manuscripts have only a occasional dot or point and sometimes a space.

    English translations confuses it! Jesus said "I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise! Talking about future day.

    If Jesus told the thief "verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise", then how come He three days later told Mary that He had not yet ascended to His Father?
     
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  12. PROPHECYKID

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    Another excellent point.
     
  13. NuPreacher

    NuPreacher Married to godchaserkc

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    Let me answer this for you. Our bodies, which are of this world, go to the grave. Our spirits don't. They either go to heaven or hell. In the resurrection, our bodies will be changed so that they will be immortal and will not die because our spirits already don't die.
     
  14. PROPHECYKID

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    The spirit in man returns to God who gave it.

    Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
    Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

    Lazarus died. His spirit returned to God. When one's spirit returns to God it does not mean another form of existence. Your spirit is not a conscious entity, that is why the bible says the dead knows nothing. When Lazarus was resurrected, he didn't tell of his awesome experience in heaven because he was dead. Jesus' spirit went back to God when he died as the bible says, yet Jesus said that he had not yet ascended into heaven showing that after his death he did not live on in another form of existence.

    The spirit is not another form of existence. As humans, we are souls. That is how we are made. That is our form of existence. God is not a soul but a spirit. That is his existence. As we have borne the image of the earthly (Adam, living soul) so we shall bear the image of the heavenly (Jesus, quickening spirit). Until our bodies are changed, we cannot exist as a spirit entity like Jesus. The spirit we have that God gave to us is the breathe of life.
     
  15. NuPreacher

    NuPreacher Married to godchaserkc

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    Then explain this verse:

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


    If our spirits are not conscious entities, then how can it not be blameless. Paul included all three in that verse because all three have a possibility of not being blameless.

    How can Jesus be a spirit entity when he has flesh?

    Luke 24:39
    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
     
  16. PROPHECYKID

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    You don't base a belief on one verse. Paul is using here using these three as expressions of your wholistic being and not saying that they are three separate conscious entities. You must look at this verse through the lens of other bible verse and not through the lens of what you may want to believe. For instance, I can ask you, how do you explain your body which would decay in the earth, to be preserved until the second coming? It obviously disintegrates. How can the body in itself be blamed for anything when it is not just simply the body that does anything. If you body is a seperate entity from yourself in this verse, then how can the body be blameless?

    If these were 3 different entities that make us up then it means that all three have a role in decision making, since all three can be blamed. Do you want to believe that? Then what is the role of the body vs the spirit vs the soul.


    I think you have forgotten that Jesus did not begin life on earth as a baby. He only came here and became human to die for us. After that he would have returned to his 100% divine nature.

    1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
    1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    We now bear the image of the earthly. We were made living souls just as how Adam was. But as Paul says later down, we will be changed and we shall bear the image of the heavenly. Until then we cannot bear the image of the heavenly. We cannot exist as a spirit like Jesus. Therefore our spirits which returns to God cannot be a form of existence like Jesus is. God never gave Adam that according to the scriptures so if we are made after the first Adam we cannot be made differently to how he was made.
     
  17. NuPreacher

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    No, I have not forgotten. I'm just showing you that Jesus is not a spirit entity as you said he was. He is flesh and bone. When our bodies are changed, we will also be flesh and bone instead of flesh and blood.

    Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
     
  18. PROPHECYKID

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    I have shown you from scripture that Jesus is a quickening spirit. Why do you say that he is flesh and bone.
     
  19. NuPreacher

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    Because He said so Himself.

    Luke 24:39
    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
     
  20. PROPHECYKID

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    That is when he was human. Do you think that Jesus was flesh and bone in the garden of Eden? Do you think Jesus' divine nature is flesh and bone?