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Where do we go when we die?

Discussion in 'Singles (only*)' started by DarcyWillow, Aug 9, 2008.

  1. DarcyWillow

    DarcyWillow A girl who loves God, Life, and Honduras!

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    Do Christians go to heaven? Do we "sleep" until the end of time, when God will create a New Earth for us to live in? Give me some bible quotes to help me out :) People often say we go to heaven when we die, but I'm starting to think that we will not be in heaven, but in the new Earth.

    Discuss.
     
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  2. GQ Chris

    GQ Chris Beer and Glory

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    Absent from the body means to be Present with the Lord (for those that are saved).

    So for those of us in Christ, once we die, immediately we go into the presence of the Lord.

    WOW!! It almost makes me want to be there now.
     
  3. Wade Smith

    Wade Smith New Member

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    Well, from the story of the Rich man and Lazarus in the Bible, we know that when a person dies, if they are lost, their spirit goes directly to hell, which is the temporary holding place before the Great White Throne and the Lake of Fire.


    We know also from the Bible that Enoch and Elijah both went directly to heaven, without ever having died. Must be nice. (Heb. 11:5, Gen. 5:22, 2 kings 2:11).

    In Revelation, on two occasions, John actually speaks to a human being in heaven, whom he mistakes for an "Angel".(Rev. 19:10, 22:9).

    Now these "Angels" might have been Enoch or Elijah, or someone else. At any rate, the implication is that John spoke to a human being who was already in heaven in a new body.

    Also we have this.

    2 Cor. 5
    1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
    3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
    4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
    5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
    6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
    7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


    The over all indication in Paul's teaching, plus the various other passages, seems to be that the mortal body dies, and the spirit and soul go directly to heaven or hell.



    For reasons that I admittedly do not understand, some passages seem to indicate that the body will be resurrected at the second coming. in fact, this is specificly called the FIRST resurrection in the Book of Revelation, and it happens at the END of the Tribulation. (Rev. 20:6)


    "Soul Sleep" is refuted simply by virtue of the fact that Revelation shows some human beings already in Heaven, and the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Jesus showed Lazarus to be conscious and aware of his surroundings in "paradise" or "abrahams bosom" where he was comforted.

    "Paradise" and "Abraham's bosom" are not the same thing as "heaven", which I believe I can show from scripture, but that is probably for another thread.

    Suffice it to say, "Paradise" in pre-resurrection time was to "Heaven" as "Hell" is to "Lake of Fire". Because the Cross was not a historical fact, most believers appear to have gone to "paradise" temporarily while they waited for the promised redeemer.

    Why Enoch and Elijah got to bypass this system entirely is unclear, but apparantly they really were just that much more faithful than the rest of us, at least that is what the writer of Hebrews implies.
     
  4. SonicBOOM

    SonicBOOM Guest

    I believe in what is called "soul-sleep" and it's not exactly an orthodox belief. No where in scripture does the word "heaven" refer to the kingdom of God. "Heaven" refers mostly to the sky. Jesus however DID promise a coming kingdom.... but he said that the kingdom was "coming". Therefore we will all die and than be resurrected on that fateful day. some of us will burn in the lake of fire, others will enjoy God's kingdom promised by Christ that has finally come.
     
  5. CoachR64

    CoachR64 Awesome, with a side order of amazing

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    According to the music group Nirvana, bad folks don't go to heaven where the angels fly, they go to the lake of fire and fry.

    Coach
     
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    Fremdin Contributor

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    Also, according to them you can see them again at the 4th of July
     
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    Fremdin Contributor

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    Ahh double post!

    Also, that's Meat Puppets cover. And now you've had your daily dose of pretension
     
  8. Apollo Celestio

    Apollo Celestio Deal with it.

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    I go for the new earth theory. I don't know if we're "soul-like" in "heaven" until then or not, but from my reading I sort of agree with the "soul-sleep" thing as well. It's not set in stone or anything, and it's not the top of my conviction list.
    Daniel 12:9-13.

    He said, "Go on your way, Daniel, for the words are secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified , cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; none of the wicked will understand, but the wise[Does wisdom imply righteousness?] will understand. From the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches 1,335 days. but as for you, go on your way to the end; you will rest, the rise to your destiny at the end of the days."

    Really only the last verse is why I believe it, but I wanted to give some context.
     
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  9. Luther073082

    Luther073082 κύριε ἐλέησον χριστὲ ἐλέησον

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    You enter heaven and are with God until the resurrection. Then you will be with God on earth in a perfect, resurrected world.
     
  10. Inkachu

    Inkachu Bursting with fruit flavor!

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    Some Scriptures hint that when you die, you instantly go where you're gonna end up. Others talk about "falling asleep". But when John had his Revelation, he saw martyred souls already there, beneath God's throne, begging for justice. So...?

    It's an old, old mystery, and everyone will have varying beliefs.

    I personally believe that when you close your eyes in death, you'll "wake up" with Jesus instantly. There are many tales of Christians seeing Jesus, hearing music, seeing dead relatives, etc...as they are dying.
     
  11. .Mikha'el.

    .Mikha'el. I am become mod, the destroyer of reports! Staff Member Moderator Supporter

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    The idea that we go to heaven upon death is nothing more than a feel-good idea in my view. Why would there need to be a final judgement to determine our salvation if that had been decided upon death?

    I, in order to anser the question for myself, have adopted something the pastor at my university calls soul sleep. In other words, the sould exists, but is essential incapacitated until the time of judgement.
     
  12. Luther073082

    Luther073082 κύριε ἐλέησον χριστὲ ἐλέησον

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    Jesus told the theif on the cross "ON THIS DAY you shall be with me in paradise"

    Kind of a difficult passage though since Jesus actuall decended into hell after his ressurection to reclaim those who where faithful servants of God prior to his death.

    I assume he's talking about himself in the wider variety of being God though.

    Personally I havn't reserached this topic much. I'll have to dig into the Lutheran confessions, the BoC, the bible, and various other writings to see if I can't piece together the verses and see if it makes a lot of sense or not.

    My guess is that they won't all together give us a good picture. God is good at making the stuff that we want to know but don't need to know very muddy. Maybe our interest or desire for the answer helps us and drives us more towards him, I can't claim to know why he does these things.
     
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    I just wanted to say that I really like your threads Darcy.

    (I agree with GQ Chris-my exact sentiments)

    & i Hope your having a wonderful weekend.
    God is Good
    raiynne
     
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