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I'd probably do the same.
I know, I used to think I was this obedient little Catholic and now I'm finding out I'm some sort of radical.
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I'd probably do the same.
oh I am so sorry that anyone would ever yell at you, you are always such an honest and gentle soul
should we separate the political Conservative from the theological conservative?
I have said before, in this thread or maybe the one Michie made in OBOB (or maybe both) that using political terms for theological views adds to the confusion
I do not blame you for using this terminology, it is part of the popular conversation on this issue
but I also think we have to distance ourselves from it a bit
like the conversation is on "Liberal Catholics" and "Conservative Catholics"
so we have to use these terms if we are going to have meaningful dialogue with people
we have to understand these terms if we want to have any impact with the dialogue
but at the same time, I think we also need to understand that these terms are both misrepresentations of the faith and are poor analogies because they were made to describe political things instead of theological things
it is like comparing a Nation to a kindergarten classroom
sure some analogies can be made, but if you go into any depth the analogy becomes more convoluted
I can't reconcile politically conservative attitudes towards money and the poor with the teachings of the Church.
THIS post may be the best post I have ever read on any CF forum. I feel essentially the same way but I love the way you describe your position. I get weary of people asking how one can be Catholic if they are progressive (usually using the liberal label). I say I cannot fathom being Catholic and not being progressive.So I am a conservative , progressive Catholic or a progressive , conservative Catholic . Take your pick . It doesn't matter either way .
Conserve "the deposit of faith" .
Reform when and where "the deposit of faith" needs to be presented in a way meaningful to the people of our time .
I was thinking the same thing about our parish. It is located smack dab in the midst of Republican country, and many of our members are politically conservative. Yet our parish is very progressive, with many ministries and programs that point to a more "liberal" orientation. At the same time, there is nothing unorthodox about worship, liturgy or devotions. In fact, I would call it all fairly traditional. And you know, I really feel at home there. It's a great combination.What's interesting, at least at my parish, political conservative doesn't necessarily add up to theologically conservative. Theologically meaning, as Colin said, to 'conserve' that which has been handed down. In that way, I'm more conservative than the political conservatives. They call me Pope Tad.
It's become clear to me that people really did need this forum for it's stated purpose. I'm glad it's turning into what it is.
I think this sub-forum provides a safe haven for those of us who may have "controversial" views on Catholicism.
There's no point me going to another sub-forum and being ridiculed for stating what I think. And then feeling guilty for having those thoughts. And further doubting myself. Some of us need a refuge where we won't be attacked and a chance to think through things carefully. Also there is no point in me debating a topic with someone who has a completely different mindset. We just end up at a stalemate with neither of us learning anything new. That's where I stand at the moment. things might change as my faith grows and develops.
a safe haven for controversial views?I think this sub-forum provides a safe haven for those of us who may have "controversial" views on Catholicism.
There's no point me going to another sub-forum and being ridiculed for stating what I think. And then feeling guilty for having those thoughts. And further doubting myself. Some of us need a refuge where we won't be attacked and a chance to think through things carefully. Also there is no point in me debating a topic with someone who has a completely different mindset. We just end up at a stalemate with neither of us learning anything new. That's where I stand at the moment. things might change as my faith grows and develops.
You seem to be conversing on threads here quite often. Rhamielwe can not converse on them?
I've only been a participant in this forum for a short while but it's my opinion that everyone suffers, as I do, from a Holy Longing.
I feel that too. A good vibe.people willing to give each other a break.
I'm with you all the way Colinendless negative arguing which ends up making me into a person I would rather not be .