When Committed Christians are Compared to ISIS

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It’s scary enough when peace-loving Jesus followers are compared to ISIS. What’s even scarier is that many people believe the comparison is accurate. Have they completely lost touch with reality?

It’s one thing to have passionate and deep differences on issues like abortion and redefining marriage. It’s another thing to use inflammatory rhetoric that it is not just dishonest but is actually dangerous. Do people not realize that their words have consequences?

A few days ago, someone named Dixie posted on my Facebook page, “You are just as ugly as Isis!” I decided to respond, asking, “Because we want to protect innocent babies in the womb? Because we care about marriage and family? Because we feed the poor and needy around the world? Because we want the whole world to know how wonderful Jesus is? Please be kind enough to explain your views.”

Dixie didn’t respond.

Just a few days before that, Jeromeno posted this on my YouTube page: “Kim Davis is an ISIS infiltrator in America with a mission to spread. The most radical interpretation of Sharia Law. ISIS needed a hero a Jeanne d’Arc and they found one in KIM DAVIS.”

He was followed by Charlie, who commented, “Kim Davis, by Virtue of defying the Constitution and the Supreme Court is NO BETTER than those men who conceived, executed, and plotted those attacks on the World Trade Center and the pentagon on September 11. Granted, there haven’t been any lives lost in the wake of Mrs. Davis’ shenanigans, the ideology of using her religious beliefs as justification to defile the Supreme Court and the Constitution make her a religious terrorist along the order of Osama bin Laden and ISIS.”

This is absolutely sick — but I remind you, an increasing number of people actually believe this. Talk about being deluded.

So, ISIS is beheading Christians who refuse to convert to Islam and crucifying Muslims who are not radical enough. ISIS is burying little children alive, burning prisoners alive, drowning them in cages, raping teenage girls and selling them into slavery, and throwing gays off buildings. Yet when we say, “Gays are free to live how they please and enter into the relationships of their choosing — that’s between them and God — and if they want a minister or judge to sanction their ‘marriage,’ they can do that, just don’t force us to participate in their ceremony,” then we are now like ISIS.

This is utterly irrational.

Already in May 2005, John McCandlish Phillips, formerly a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times reporter, pointed out how newspapers like the Washington Post and the Times told their readers that evangelicals and traditional Catholics were engaging in a “jihad” against America.

Markos Moulitsas, founder of the radically left-leaning DailyKos.com, wrote a whole book in 2010 in which he accused conservative Christians of being the “American Taliban.” This reflected the sentiments of some Californians who opposed the Proposition 8, pro-marriage bill in 2008 and who carried signs reading: Prop 8 = American Taliban; and 52% = Nazi (this referred to the 52-48% vote in favor of Prop 8); and Don’t Silence the Christians, Feed Them 2 the Lions.

My fellow believers, don’t stick your heads in the sand and ignore this. People don’t just hate you. They see you as downright dangerous, and that in itself is dangerous. And it’s not just some isolated wacko making an extreme Internet comment or a crowd of protesters carrying signs.

It’s people like Shepard Smith on Fox News calling us “haters” as he mocks us as hypocrites for resisting Sharia Law while we hold to our conservative Christian values.

As Maggie Gallagher pointed out earlier this year, those who express extreme hatred towards conservative Christians in America “tend to hold relatively high levels of social power,” citing a recent book Christianophobia by sociologists George Yancey and David A. Williamson.

And what does that hatred sound like? Gallagher quoted some of those interviewed by Yancey and Williamson:

‘I want them all to die in a fire,’ said one man with a doctorate. ‘I would be in favor of establishing a state for them … . If not then sterilize them so they can’t breed more,’ said a middle aged man with a master’s degree. ‘The only good Christian is a dead Christian,’ said another under-45-year-old man with a doctorate. ‘I abhor them and I wish we could do away with them,’ said a middle-aged woman with a master’s degree. ‘A tortuous death would be too good for them,’ said a college-educated man between the ages of 36 and 45. ‘They should be eradicated without hesitation or remorse,’ said an elderly woman with a master’s degree.

This, my friends, is how many in the world see us today, hating us just as Jesus was hated (John 15:18-21) and lying about us just as Jesus was lied about (Matthew 10:24-25). And so Peter’s exhortation rings true again today: Don’t be surprised by these fiery trials that come our way because of our identification with Jesus (1 Peter 4:12-19).

On the one hand, we are hardly suffering at all when compared to our brothers and sisters in the Middle East. We’re worried about losing our reputations and our Facebook friends; they’re worried about losing their children and their very heads.

Still, we need to understand the level of animosity coming our way. It calls for greater sobriety and deeper commitment reminding us that our battle is not with people but with demonic forces that delude and destroy.

So I urge you before God: Make no mistake about it. We are in a real battle, and some people want us dead. It’s time to wake up Christians in America. We must overcome evil with good, hatred with love, lies with truth, and darkness with light, regardless of the cost or the consequence.
 
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One can draw comparisons for sure. If you want to quite violently impose your strict view of the world on others, that compares to what ISIS is doing. You would be hard pressed to find a Christian group that is as bad as ISIS, maybe some African warlord, but even then I doubt it.
 
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It’s scary enough when peace-loving Jesus followers are compared to ISIS. What’s even scarier is that many people believe the comparison is accurate. Have they completely lost touch with reality?

It’s one thing to have passionate and deep differences on issues like abortion and redefining marriage. It’s another thing to use inflammatory rhetoric that it is not just dishonest but is actually dangerous. Do people not realize that their words have consequences?

A few days ago, someone named Dixie posted on my Facebook page, “You are just as ugly as Isis!” I decided to respond, asking, “Because we want to protect innocent babies in the womb? Because we care about marriage and family? Because we feed the poor and needy around the world? Because we want the whole world to know how wonderful Jesus is? Please be kind enough to explain your views.”

In all fairness, you guys did just shoot up a Planned Parenthood several weeks ago, and have a history of blowing up abortion clinics, and assassinating doctors. Those are all terrorist acts. ISIS is a terrorist group. Surely you see the connection.

Dixie didn’t respond.

Just a few days before that, Jeromeno posted this on my YouTube page: “Kim Davis is an ISIS infiltrator in America with a mission to spread. The most radical interpretation of Sharia Law. ISIS needed a hero a Jeanne d’Arc and they found one in KIM DAVIS.”

He was followed by Charlie, who commented, “Kim Davis, by Virtue of defying the Constitution and the Supreme Court is NO BETTER than those men who conceived, executed, and plotted those attacks on the World Trade Center and the pentagon on September 11. Granted, there haven’t been any lives lost in the wake of Mrs. Davis’ shenanigans, the ideology of using her religious beliefs as justification to defile the Supreme Court and the Constitution make her a religious terrorist along the order of Osama bin Laden and ISIS.”

Those sound a bit hysterical.

This is absolutely sick — but I remind you, an increasing number of people actually believe this. Talk about being deluded.

So, ISIS is beheading Christians who refuse to convert to Islam and crucifying Muslims who are not radical enough. ISIS is burying little children alive, burning prisoners alive, drowning them in cages, raping teenage girls and selling them into slavery, and throwing gays off buildings. Yet when we say, “Gays are free to live how they please and enter into the relationships of their choosing — that’s between them and God — and if they want a minister or judge to sanction their ‘marriage,’ they can do that, just don’t force us to participate in their ceremony,” then we are now like ISIS.

This is utterly irrational.

Yes.

Already in May 2005, John McCandlish Phillips, formerly a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times reporter, pointed out how newspapers like the Washington Post and the Times told their readers that evangelicals and traditional Catholics were engaging in a “jihad” against America.

Markos Moulitsas, founder of the radically left-leaning DailyKos.com, wrote a whole book in 2010 in which he accused conservative Christians of being the “American Taliban.” This reflected the sentiments of some Californians who opposed the Proposition 8, pro-marriage bill in 2008 and who carried signs reading: Prop 8 = American Taliban; and 52% = Nazi (this referred to the 52-48% vote in favor of Prop 8); and Don’t Silence the Christians, Feed Them 2 the Lions.

My fellow believers, don’t stick your heads in the sand and ignore this. People don’t just hate you. They see you as downright dangerous, and that in itself is dangerous. And it’s not just some isolated wacko making an extreme Internet comment or a crowd of protesters carrying signs.

Wait, what?

It’s people like Shepard Smith on Fox News calling us “haters” as he mocks us as hypocrites for resisting Sharia Law while we hold to our conservative Christian values.

As Maggie Gallagher pointed out earlier this year, those who express extreme hatred towards conservative Christians in America “tend to hold relatively high levels of social power,” citing a recent book Christianophobia by sociologists George Yancey and David A. Williamson.

And what does that hatred sound like? Gallagher quoted some of those interviewed by Yancey and Williamson:

‘I want them all to die in a fire,’ said one man with a doctorate. ‘I would be in favor of establishing a state for them … . If not then sterilize them so they can’t breed more,’ said a middle aged man with a master’s degree. ‘The only good Christian is a dead Christian,’ said another under-45-year-old man with a doctorate. ‘I abhor them and I wish we could do away with them,’ said a middle-aged woman with a master’s degree. ‘A tortuous death would be too good for them,’ said a college-educated man between the ages of 36 and 45. ‘They should be eradicated without hesitation or remorse,’ said an elderly woman with a master’s degree.

I have noticed this hatred of the educated among Christians lately.

This, my friends, is how many in the world see us today, hating us just as Jesus was hated (John 15:18-21) and lying about us just as Jesus was lied about (Matthew 10:24-25). And so Peter’s exhortation rings true again today: Don’t be surprised by these fiery trials that come our way because of our identification with Jesus (1 Peter 4:12-19).

On the one hand, we are hardly suffering at all when compared to our brothers and sisters in the Middle East. We’re worried about losing our reputations and our Facebook friends; they’re worried about losing their children and their very heads.

Still, we need to understand the level of animosity coming our way. It calls for greater sobriety and deeper commitment reminding us that our battle is not with people but with demonic forces that delude and destroy.

So I urge you before God: Make no mistake about it. We are in a real battle, and some people want us dead. It’s time to wake up Christians in America. We must overcome evil with good, hatred with love, lies with truth, and darkness with light, regardless of the cost or the consequence.

We must stand up and utterly destroy the infede... Too much. That's too much.
 
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In all fairness, you guys did just shoot up a Planned Parenthood several weeks ago, and have a history of blowing up abortion clinics, and assassinating doctors. Those are all terrorist acts. ISIS is a terrorist group. Surely you see the connection.
When did this happen? I must have missed it.
Oh, You are referring to the man who love Jesus so much he didn't waste his time and energy going to church (you know the church Jesus died for) but move across the country to Colorado when they legalized pot.

if I had to guess I would say this man and abortion doctors have the same father. Both are deceived thinking they are doing what's right.
 
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Cough cough army of god cough.

Army of God is definitely a group that should be on a watchlist for sure...but they're not driving citizens to flee their homeland by thousands and move to another country out of fear like ISIS is doing.

They've certainly been responsible for terrorist attacks (and I will label them as that to prevent the onslaught of "why don't they call it terrorism when right wingers do it?!?!?" rebuttals).

However, in comparison to ISIS, they're weak.

They've been responsible for maybe 15-20 deaths in the past few decades and some property damage...I think ISIS surpasses that daily before their first coffee break.

While all religions present certain varying levels of danger, I'm with Sam Harris (who's a staunch liberal - so people can't claim that he has conservative bias) on this one:

The Sam Harris interview on the Young Turks show begins at around the 2 minute mark of the video.
 
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Army of God is definitely a group that should be on a watchlist for sure...but they're not driving citizens to flee their homeland by thousands and move to another country out of fear like ISIS is doing.

So, in conclusion Army of God = good; ISIS = bad.

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"Yo, Army of God, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but ISIS is one of the evilest terrorist groups of all time! One of the evilest of all time! Army of God is baby evil and all, but ISIS does more beheadings by coffee break than Army of God does all day! That's cold evil. Army of God is just little bitty evil. That's why Christians are good, and Muslims are bad!"
 
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So, in conclusion Army of God = good; ISIS = bad.


Kanye Says:
"Yo, Army of God, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but ISIS is one of the evilest terrorist groups of all time! One of the evilest of all time! Army of God is baby evil and all, but ISIS does more beheadings by coffee break than Army of God does all day! That's cold evil. Army of God is just little bitty evil. That's why Christians are good, and Muslims are bad!"

Not sure what all that nonsense was about...

I said they were both bad.

However, it's not unreasonable to point out that one has had a half dozen incidents in the past few decades, and the other is creating a worldwide refugee crisis.

You do realize that there are levels to these sorts of things right?

Pointing out that one group has done (and is doing) more damage than the other doesn't mean you're justifying or endorsing the other group.

I can say that a rapist is worse than a shoplifter (even though they're both criminals), and that doesn't mean I'm condoning shoplifting.
 
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I think people have just seen really ugly, wanting to kill everyone. That don't agree with their views ( type of Christians). And lump all Christians together. Just like many Christians lump all Muslims to ISIS and other terrorist organizations.
 
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Not sure what all that nonsense was about...

I said they were both bad.

However, it's not unreasonable to point out that one has had a half dozen incidents in the past few decades, and the other is creating a worldwide refugee crisis.

You do realize that there are levels to these sorts of things right?

Pointing out that one group has done (and is doing) more damage than the other doesn't mean you're justifying or endorsing the other group.

I can say that a rapist is worse than a shoplifter (even though they're both criminals), and that doesn't mean I'm condoning shoplifting.

Is it not the "at least I'm only shoplifting" schtick?
 
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Regardless of your examples, there are Christian terrorists out there, and that's also not to mention the millions of Christians around the world who have come to hate Muslims as much as ISIS hates anything that isn't ISIS.
 
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P.s. might I also suggest that Christians exude nothing but love for everyone in all times aND places and save judgements for God at all times? If Christians did this online, consistently, I would wager our reputation would be better.

As the song once said, "they will know we are Christians by our love". If people are coming to the opposite conclusion, it isn't their fault. You are showing an ugly heart
 
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Interesting how many here in this forum hold this view yet they are members of this forum who post all the time. Why be here then unless you are here to troll? Which is why the site needs better rules. Remove those who just look for trouble only. With that said:

In all fairness, you guys did just shoot up a Planned Parenthood several weeks ago, and have a history of blowing up abortion clinics, and assassinating doctors. Those are all terrorist acts. ISIS is a terrorist group. Surely you see the connection.
Ugh... well you caught "us". "We" christians did all that! including me since "us" would mean christians apparently. You have no way of knowing if a christian is really one who blows up a abortion clinic. Anyone can say they are a christian. What if some guy down the street who had no real views and leaned towards atheism posted on day he was a christian, then right after shot up a school. Would you say he was a christian? I'm sure there are plenty who may not be but pretend they are to cause problems.

Actually what should be compared is not ISIS to christians. But ISIS to extremist christians who do anything like ISIS. Then I'd say you can to some degree compare. But the normal every day christians, just as the normal every day muslim are not the same as their extremist people are.
 
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Extremists are the problem, whether they are Muslims or Christians or any other faith or no faith at all. ISIS is the extremist organization that is most in the news now but it is not the only extremist organization out there. None of these extremist organizations represent more than a tiny fraction of their respective faiths.

Those who think that Christian extremists who go after abortion clinics are somehow less culpible because they think abortion is bad are wrong. No one has any right to take such action, two wrongs do not make a right. The recent shooting in Colorado resulted in the deaths of three innocent people, none of whom worked for the clinic.
 
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