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What Was the Religion of Adam and Eve?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by dnihila, Jul 6, 2008.

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  1. dnihila

    dnihila Senior Member

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    Were they Muslims? But prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) was not born yet! Were they Christians? But Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him) was not born yet! Were they Jewish? But prophet Moses ( peace be upon him) was not born yet!

    Then what was their religion? I am really interested to know.
    When I think about it according to what I already know that before Adam and Eve were created, angels were created. But did they worship angels??? I don't think so. Beause Adam knows well that they didn't creat him.
    Anyway, Allah/God created Jin before humans and He gave them the Earth to live in but they destroyed it. One of them disobeyed Allah/God and he became a devil/satan ( May Allah protect us from the devil ). And the amazing thing is that Iblees or satan was one of the religious jins and the reason he was punished that he felt jealous of Adam and refused to bow down to him as a sign of peace and to greet him and not to worship him. But satan refused and he was dismissed out of the heaven because of that and that what made him hate Adam the most.

    Many of us know the story but what we really need to know is that if prophet Muhammed( peace be upon him ) , Jesus ( peace be upon him) and Moses ( peace be upon him ) were not there to invite Adam and Eve to Islam, Christianity or Judasim then what was their religion?


    The surrounding of Adam and Eve included Allah/ God, angels and satan.
    Allah/God is One and He created Adam and Eve. Angels are many and they were worshipping Allah/God and they obey His commands. Satan is one and he disobeyed Allah/God and he made his own kingdom of jin disbelievers outside heaven.

    So, in this picture we see Allah/God the Creator, angels as followers and worshippers. Satan as an enemy. Which one of the three do you think Adam and Eve were worshipping?
    And if they were created then why to leave them knowing nothing and worshipping the wrong one? and they were also warned by the Creator not to eat from the forbidden tree and they were deceived by the devil.

    Then if they are honored to the point that all the angels and Iblees were asked to bow down to Adam then why not to ask them to worship the right one? And what made them leave heaven is not obeying Allah/ God.

    This lead me to ask another question:
    Why prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him) was not send to the first off spring of Adam and Eve on Earth??? Didn't they deserve to be Christians??? Why was he preceeded by prophet Moses ( peace be upon him)? And why prophet Moses ( peace be upon him) wasn't sent in the early days of life of humanity on Earth? Aren't they humans? Don't they deserve to go to heaven? And why prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) wasn't sent first?
    It seems to be that the problem is not in the order of prophets in life,who comes first and who goes last because they all carry the same message since Adam's time.


    Think about it. Think deeply about it. Why are we so blessed with prophets like Muhammed, Jesus and Moses ( peace be upon them all) and the ones who came before weren't? What about the time before Moses ( peace be upon him).Or it's only our selfishness that kept us thinking of what we own and have and made us forget about the others.


    If prophets are coming after each other then this means that since the first prophet the message stays the same. Why wasn't there only one prophet who comes with one message till the end of time? Why wasn't it Jesus (peace be upon him) or Muhammed ( peace be upon him) or Moses ( peace be upon him). Cause it is a human nature to transfere news and knowledge with some additions. History can't be known from the first generation till the last without a reminder and books to keep it. It is the same for religion.
    Adam and Eve were created first and blessed to be in heaven. Don't you think that their offspring deserve to be in heaven,too.


    I really need you to know that a circle is a complete shape and if you want to draw a circle you should draw a line that at the end meets the first point. Which means that the first messenger in life carries the same message of the last messanger in life and they are all asking us to worship One Creator Allah/God.

    Tell me what is your point of view!
    Thank You
     
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  2. GeorgeTwo

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    Adam and Eve did not have a religion -- no set of rules which is what "religion" means -- except one. They had faith that God would take care of them and He did. Adam and Eve worshipped God.

    The one rule they had was not to eat the fruit of that one tree, but they disobeyed and ate from it -- both of them -- Eve was deceived by Satan. Adam ate the fruit his wife gave him even though he knew God said not to. Adam disobeyed God.

    Adam and Eve could not even keep one commandment from God and He punished them by limiting their life -- they no longer had access to the tree of life -- and threw them both out of the Garden where their children were born and all of the rest of us were born.

    All of the prophets taught their people to worship one God and His name is YHWH.

    Christians and Jews worship that one God.
     
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    Hi dnihila,

    First of all, the "allah" of the Koran is not the God of the Holy Bible.

    Secondly, the Koranic "allah" never once states, in the first-person singular, that he created anything at all...much less Adam & Eve...








    Who do you think that "Muhammad" was/is....?
     
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    George.What you say is valid for the heaven, before the fall.After they fallen to the earth I believe they had a religion in which they had a set of rules..But I also believe what they had in heaven-considering faith-was a religion.They had a faith in the Lordship of God.And the rule was not eating that fruit.
     
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    This might be what you think/believe but still this doesn't explain why the hell you write Allah as "allah" always.
     
  6. dnihila

    dnihila Senior Member

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    Adam and Eve did not have a religion -- no set of rules which is what "religion" means -- except one. They had faith that God would take care of them and He did. Adam and Eve worshipped God.

    OK. So we both agree that they have to worship One God. Neither angels nor satan. But what is the meaning of worshipping without showing the God that you really worship Him. And how would you show Him without knowing how? If they know nothing but Allah/God, the angels and they also were warned by Allah/God not to eat from the forbidden tree and they were both decieved by satan. Just think about it. If Adam will discover that Eve is the one who made Allah/God punish them both then how would he stay as a husband with her and why to punish them both if Eve is the mistaken one. She then should leave heaven by herself and Allah/God will creat another Eve for Adam and that will be easy for the Creator.

    The one rule they had was not to eat the fruit of that one tree, but they disobeyed and ate from it -- both of them -- Eve was deceived by Satan. Adam ate the fruit his wife gave him even though he knew God said not to. Adam disobeyed God.


    Adam and Eve could not even keep one commandment from God and He punished them by limiting their life -- they no longer had access to the tree of life -- and threw them both out of the Garden where their children were born and all of the rest of us were born.

    So, the new born babies we see in hospitals were there,too?
    Then if we were all in heaven why do we suffer with sickness and death?
    And if we were born there then this means that we all follow the same religion. But I am a Muslim and you are not. And why prophets were sent out of heaven to come to us and invite people to worship Allah/God.
    And why didn't Allah/God creat us all then before Adam and Eve if they are the disobeyers and we are the believers? Allah/God Has the ability to make us believers and He has the Power to make Adam and Eve not to disobey Him but He wanted them to know that the devil is their enemy. How would they know without being tested and how would they go to Earth and leave heaven to make Earth a better place and full of worshippers of Allah/God.

    All of the prophets taught their people to worship one God and His name is YHWH.

    Christians and Jews worship that one God.

    Did prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him) taught Christians to worship YHWH?
    And why to give Allah/God different names. I know Arabic and English but I really don't know hebrow. Do you mean that this is the word God in Hebrow? Because if it means Allah/God Who is One then the topic will be different.
     
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    We write the serpents name as "allah".

    This is to give him the respect that he deserves...
     
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    The good will triumph.
     
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    Triple AAA...

    In Hebrew his name is "abaddon".

    In Greek his name is "apollyn".

    In Arabic his name is "allah".
     
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    Hi dnihila,
    Adam and Eve didn't have a religion nor should anyone, religion is anti-God. Adam & Eve had the benefit of the actual presence of Almighty God amongst them and a few simple rules to obey in which of course they failed miseribly to do so.

    Of course the Orthodox Church love to preach that Adam & Eve are in hell now or at least some limbo somewhere awaiting there eternal burning for never knowing a Jesus who wasn't even born yet for a few millenia. Of course the truth is Adam & Eve will get there chance to confess and kneal before Jesus professing him Lord, all mankind will.

    Tell me where in the bible that it says after you die there is no redemption? Take your time, I won't hold my breath though,lol. God bless.
     
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    Good post. A very Christian answer also!
     
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    Yes, "religion" was after the fall. They had "faith" before the fall and faith is the most important thing of all. After that, they had a set of rules and mankind could not follow those rules as history proves.

    BTW: Muslims believe that Adam and Eve were in Paridise/heaven. Christians believe they were already on earth.

    But, you must admit that Adam and Eve could not submit to God's will in this one command; therefore, they were not "muslims."
     
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    Could you please provide a Koranic passage which supports this Islamic theology....thanks...:)
     
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    but they repent , and submit to God's will after that
    so that they are muslims
     
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    The Holy Bible does not mention that Adam and Eve asked for forgiveness, but I know the Qur'an says differently.

    [FONT=&quot]However, even though the Qur'an says that Adam and Eve asked for forgiveness, God threw both of them out of the Garden, which shows that they suffered a penalty for their sins.

    You must also realize that because God threw Adam and Eve out of the Garden, all of the human race were born outside of that Garden, thus we too are suffering the consequences of their disobedience.

    There is also no record that they continued to submit to the will of God.


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    "Adam and Eve" in history confuses me. The account in Genesis is linked to how many generations back? How can this reflect 154,000 to 160,000 years ago?

    "The fossilised partial skulls look very similar to those of modern human beings. The facial character of the skulls looks almost the same as modern humans, especially the skull of a child, which has no visible difference from that of a modern child. It was determined the skulls date back to 154,000 to 160,000 years ago."
    clearharmony.net/articles/...17044.html

    I think the religion of Adam and Eve of the Bible was like those of Abraham, Noah and Lot - reasoned by thier local geographical areas mistaking natural occurances of the Planet for acts of God. I'm not saying God did not relate to those people, as God would have to other forming cultures by knowledge given to ones receptive to it but it is a mistake in my opinion of a one true religion - it even goes against the natural systems of the planet.

    In this age of knowledge being increased about the Earth and the Universe as religious people let us too continue to learn without obcessing with religious doctrines becoming more out dated every second and find those seeds of spiritual knowledge contained in all religions and cultivate that. A comet could part the skies at any moment and we could all end up like the dinosaurs. Let us embrace our similarities and celibrate our differances working together for the good of the planet without insisting if one religion is more right or more wrong than another.
     
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    They were both guilty. Notice God gave the command not to eat the fruit before Eve was created.

    Genesis 2: 15Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." 18And the LORD God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him." 19Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. 20So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

    Adam was not blameless because he listened to his wife when he knew he was not supposed to eat the fruit.

    Adam was not deceived at all. He knew what he was doing.

    Adam, Eve and the "snake" were all to blame and all were punished.
     
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    I didn't say that we (babies) were born in heaven/the Garden. I said that we were all born outside of the Garden. Even Adam and Eve's children were born outside of the Garden, subject to sickness and death.

    If Adam and Eve had not disobeyed God, then we would all have been born in the Garden. We are not, so we suffer the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin.
     
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    We are taught to worship one God because there is only one God and that God's name is YHWH. (You will also is YHVH, as below)


    God's name:

    The most important of God's Names is the four-letter Name represented by the Hebrew letters Yod-Hei-Vav-Hei (YHVH). It is often referred to as the Ineffable Name, the Unutterable Name or the Distinctive Name. Linguistically, it is related to the Hebrew root Hei-Yod-Hei (to be), and reflects the fact that God's existence is eternal. In scripture, this Name is used when discussing God's relation with human beings, and when emphasizing his qualities of lovingkindness and mercy. It is frequently shortened to Yah (Yod-Hei), Yahu or Yeho (Yod-Hei-Vav), especially when used in combination with names or phrases, as in Yehoshua (Joshua, meaning "the Lord is my Salvation"), Eliyahu (Elijah, meaning "my God is the Lord"), and Halleluyah ("praise the Lord").

    Source: http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

    Exodus 3:

    13. And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"
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    14. God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

    15. And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.

    Exodus 3:13 - 15, (KJV)

    "13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

    14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

    It is commonly known that the Hebrew people, for fear of having the name of God dishonored, substituted the all-uppercase word "LORD" for "YHWH", which is consonant-only version of the actual name of God, which is known as the Tetragrammaton. (The Tetragrammaton came into being as yet another safeguard intended to prevent blaspheming God's holy name.)
     
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    Namaste dnihila,

    thank you for the OP.

    there were no Adam and Eve, unless we are speaking of a mitochondrial Eve which is somewhat of a misnomer anyways. therefore there was no particular religious practice associated with those fictional characters.

    it is, of course, correct that humanity insofar as modern humans can tell, developed discernable religious practices well over 10,000 years ago.. some modern anthropologists would even make the claim that homosapien neandethalus demonstrated religious practice in their burial rites.

    metta,

    ~v
     
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