What trumpet or seal are we in?

[visionary]

Fifth seal..

There has been tons of false Messiahs popping up saying they are Jesus , some people are giving up their everything to go be with these liars. And people fall for it, I am not talking children, I'm talking male and female adults, WOW

Fires are running rapidly in Cali and in other parts of USA, and out of USA, floods, earthquakes 100s a day, kingdom against kingdom, wars and rumors of wars, sink holes, do I need say anymore, this is all unfolding right before our eyes just as the Scriptures say.. And Israel has everyone up against them. What more is necessary to qualify?

 

[visionary]

It’s been confirmed that there was a large meteor impact in the Qazvin region of Iran.

 

[Lulav]

I don't speak Persian, did you understand that?

 

[Hoshiyya]

Fifth seal..

There has been tons of false Messiahs popping up saying they are Jesus , some people are giving up their everything to go be with these liars. And people fall for it, I am not talking children, I'm talking male and female adults, WOW

Fires are running rapidly in Cali and in other parts of USA, and out of USA, floods, earthquakes 100s a day, kingdom against kingdom, wars and rumors of wars, sink holes, do I need say anymore, this is all unfolding right before our eyes just as the Scriptures say.. And Israel has everyone up against them. What more is necessary to qualify?

We are awaiting the fourth or possibly the third seal, last I heard. But anyway:

"There has been tons of false Messiahs popping up saying they are Jesus"

I used to interpret it that way too. But Yeshua said "people will come saying I AM HE", meaning Christians will come and say that Jesus IS THE MESSIAH, but will teach lawlessness. It is not about people claiming to be the Messiah, it is about people claiming Yeshua/Jesus (correctly) is the Messiah, but denying their testimony through lawless deeds and doctrines.

 

[Hoshiyya]

It’s been confirmed that there was a large meteor impact in the Qazvin region of Iran.

Ok cool. And ?
Happens all over the planet, every single year.

 

[visionary]

Ok cool. And ?
Happens all over the planet, every single year.

It was shortly after the Iranian deal was signed.

 

[Hoshiyya]

It was shortly after the Iranian deal was signed.

Ok you tell me your interpretation of that, then.

Meteors (only or primarily) fall to signal God's displeasure?
Is it that ?

 

[visionary]

Islamists Say It’s a Sign of Their Coming “messiah” http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2...he-christian-antichrist-be-ready-2471556.html

 

[Hoshiyya]

Islamists Say It’s a Sign of Their Coming “messiah” http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2...he-christian-antichrist-be-ready-2471556.html

Yes but that's not your interpretation of the event, right ?

 

[Hoshiyya]

If Iran was a big deal in the end-times, they'd probably be mentioned in eschatological prophecy more than they are.

Instead, when it comes to the end times, it appears Tubal, Meshek and Magog, not Elam or Madai or Peres or Tiras, are the more important.

(Elam, Madai, Peres and Tiras are the various Biblical names that apply, or are believed to apply, to what we call Iran.)

We note that Tubal, Meshek and Magog are almost universally correlated, by ancient and (less significantly) modern sources, to non-middle eastern nations, almost always far north of Israel.

 

[visionary]

If Iran was a big deal in the end-times, they'd probably be mentioned in eschatological prophecy more than they are.

Instead, when it comes to the end times, it appears Tubal, Meshek and Magog, not Elam or Madai or Peres or Tiras, are the more important.

(Elam, Madai, Peres and Tiras are the various Biblical names that apply, or are believed to apply, to what we call Iran.)

We note that Tubal, Meshek and Magog are almost universally correlated, by ancient and (less significantly) modern sources, to non-middle eastern nations, almost always far north of Israel.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2014/1199/

 

[Hoshiyya]

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2014/1199/

Visionary, do you hate typing ?

Very often you just let people guess at what you're trying to say, which probably leads to you being misinterpreted alot I'd imagine.

So here's the homework you've given me:

Read through your link and GUESS at what your interpretation of the words in the link is. GREAT !

Now, your link includes at least one reference to Jeremiah's prophecy (Jer. 49) on Elam. I already mentioned that Persia is not a BIG deal in the end-times, but specifically avoided saying that they are not mentioned. So I don't see how a few mentions of Elam would matter, relative to the statement that they are not a big deal, at least as compared to Tubal, Meshek and Magog.

Now, let us see if Jeremiah's prophecy on Elam even has ANYTHING to do with the end-times:

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

The prophecy - as you can see - actually ends by basically saying "these things described in the verses leading up to the last verse will not occur in the end-times, but prior to the end-times." So this is not an end-time prophecy. It has either occurred in the past already, or maybe it is yet future, but it is not escathological.

 

[visionary]

Visionary, do you hate typing ?

Very often you just let people guess at what you're trying to say, which probably leads to you being misinterpreted alot I'd imagine.

So here's the homework you've given me:

Read through your link and GUESS at what your interpretation of the words in the link is. GREAT !

Now, your link includes at least one reference to Jeremiah's prophecy (Jer. 49) on Elam. I already mentioned that Persia is not a BIG deal in the end-times, but specifically avoided saying that they are not mentioned. So I don't see how a few mentions of Elam would matter, relative to the statement that they are not a big deal, at least as compared to Tubal, Meshek and Magog.

Now, let us see if Jeremiah's prophecy on Elam even has ANYTHING to do with the end-times:

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

The prophecy - as you can see - actually ends by basically saying "these things described in the verses leading up to the last verse will not occur in the end-times, but prior to the end-times." So this is not an end-time prophecy. It has either occurred in the past already, or maybe it is yet future, but it is not escathological.

Latter days are not end-times?

 

[Hoshiyya]

Latter days are not end-times?

The prophecy - as you can see - actually ends by basically saying "these things described in the verses leading up to the last verse will not occur in the end-times, but prior to the end-times." So this is not an end-time prophecy. It has either occurred in the past already, or maybe it is yet future, but it is not escathological.

Try to comprehend:

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might...and scatter them...and....But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

If the breaking of the bow is followed by the latter days, then it does NOT occur in the latter days. That's logic.

They are prophecied to be scattered and THEN - when the latter days come - they will be regathered.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Maybe it means the Parsee will return from India to Iran ?
They are a Persian group that were scatterd into primarily India.

 

[visionary]

The prophecy - as you can see - actually ends by basically saying "these things described in the verses leading up to the last verse will not occur in the end-times, but prior to the end-times." So this is not an end-time prophecy. It has either occurred in the past already, or maybe it is yet future, but it is not escathological.

Try to comprehend:

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might...and scatter them...and....But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

If the breaking of the bow is followed by the latter days, then it does NOT occur in the latter days. That's logic.

They are prophecied to be scattered and THEN - when the latter days come - they will be regathered.

But the bow breaking and the scatter will come to pass in the latter days.

 

[Hoshiyya]

But the bow breaking and the scatter will come to pass in the latter days.

Maybe, I guess, but I strongly think that is not what the text says. It says the "bow" will break, the people scattered, AND THEN, in the latter days, they will return from the scattering. Read closely.

Historically, many Persians were scattered, primarily into India, so we do not necessarily have to project this into the future, unless we want a dual fulfillment, which however is very possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if every prophecy is fulfilled again, in the millennium. But as to the actual phrasing of Jeremiah 49, what it SAYS is what I delineated above.

 

[visionary]

Maybe, I guess, but I strongly think that is not what the text says. It says the "bow" will break, the people scattered, AND THEN, in the latter days, they will return from the scattering. Read closely.

Historically, many Persians were scattered, primarily into India, so we do not necessarily have to project this into the future, unless we want a dual fulfillment, which however is very possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if every prophecy is fulfilled again, in the millennium. But as to the actual phrasing of Jeremiah 49, what it SAYS is what I delineated above.

not then ... BUT

 

[Hoshiyya]

not then ... BUT

Has the same meaning.

"A" will happen, but in the end times, B will happen.

Look, just read the text. It says they will be scattered, but in the end times, regathered. One has to come after the other.

 

[visionary]

Captivity is not a regathering... it is part of the breaking... But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam