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What tribe was Mary- Levite or Judah?

Discussion in 'Mariology & Hagiography' started by prewrathrap, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. prewrathrap

    prewrathrap Newbie

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    Just curious what tribe do you think Mary was? Levite or Judean?

    My view is Levite as she was cousin to Elizabeth wife of Zacarihas who was a levite priest. By law to be a priest in service to temple he had to be married to a Levite woman, therefore to be her cousin she was a Levite.


    Union of Levite (Mary)with David (Judah) - Jesus was both king and priest.

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    Mary was of Judah. (OT--marry within your tribe). Jesus was of Judah (Hebrews).

    The priest reference refers to Melchizedek, not Levi.
     
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    Rhamiel Member of the Round Table

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    Standing Up, good point with the Melchizedek reference

    is it possible that Mary was of Judah and he cousin was of Levi?
    like we do not know how closely Mary and Elizabeth were, they could have been distant cousins
     
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    Thank you.

    Num. 36:6 This [is] the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry.

    Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee [shall minister] before the tabernacle of witness.

    Heb. 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

    So, Mary of the tribe of Judah married Joseph of the tribe of Judah.

    No idea how Elizabeth was a distant cousin of John the Baptist whose father was of Levi. Someone 'broke the rules' somewhere I suppose. Or the word translated 'cousin' is simply 'kinsman'.
     
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    There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judæa, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5 KJV)

    And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. (Luke 1:5, 30-36 KJV)

    I cannot see how Mary is not of house of Aaron even Gabriel tells Mary her cousin, Elizabeth, is pregnant.

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    The word translated 'cousin' for Elizabeth's relationship to Mary is the same word Paul uses in this verse, but no one believes all of those people were of Benjamin (Paul's tribe).

    Rom. 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    Lk. 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

    OR, here's Gill's Exposition:

    Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
    And behold thy cousin Elisabeth,.... For though Elisabeth was of the daughters of Aaron, or of the tribe of Levi by her father's side, yet might be of the tribe of Judah by her mother's side, and so akin to Mary. The Persic version calls her "aunt by the mother's side": intermarriages between the two tribes of Levi and Judah were frequent; nor were they at all contrary to the intention of that law, that forbid the tribes to intermarry, which was to preserve the inheritance in each tribe, since the tribe of Levi had none at all. Though she might be called her cousin in a more general sense; it being usual with the Jews to call all of their own nation their kinsmen and kinswomen, according to the flesh: but the former sense seems more agreeable; and so Mary is directed to her own family, and to her own relations, and known friends, for a sign, by which her faith might be confirmed, in what the angel had said unto her; for if she found the one to be true, she might conclude the other was also; which is as follows:
     
  7. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    If I may share, the following are things in line with your OP that were shared before on the issue...and may help you:


     
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    From post above " Genetically, Christ had the DNA of His mother Mary within Him since he was born of a woman under the Law....and for those who emphasized the PRIESTLY role of the Messiah, seeing Christ descended from the line of Levi would not have been an issue. "

    No. According to scripture, Christ was of Judah, not Levi (Hebrews).

    Levi's priestly reign ended in 30ad and most clearly at 70ad.

    Christ was of the priestly order of Melchizedek and has zero to do with Levi. See your Bible.
     
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    Not according to Scripture - as Christ being of the Line of Judah was about PRIMARY emphasis. It was a matter of his family line being determined by the Fathe, who was of Judah ...and the FATHER'S lineage was what took precedence. This is what's discussed in Hebrews 7. Mary WAS a cousin of Elizabeth - who was a daughter of Aaron (of Levi) and the mother of John the Baptist.

    Scripture with scripture..
     
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    As said best elsewhere:
    First, the King James translation of the term syngenis as “cousin” (Luke 1:36) is unwarranted and somewhat misleading to those who normally interpret the word to mean “first cousin.” The Greek term syngenis simply means “relative” (NKJV, NASB, NIV) or “kinswoman” (ASV, RSV). It is “a general term, meaning ‘of the same family’” (Vincent, 1997). Thus, Mary and Elizabeth may have been first cousins, or they may have been fourth cousins. All we know for sure is that they were kin. Second, Mary and Elizabeth could have been from different tribes and still have been first cousins. It may be that their mothers were sisters. Their mothers could have been from the tribe of Judah or Levi. As commentator Matthew Henry noted: “Though Elisabeth was, on the father’s side, of the daughters of Aaron (v. 5), yet on the mother’s side she might be of the house of David, for those two families often intermarried, as an earnest of the uniting of the royalty and the priesthood of the Messiah” (1997). However Mary and Elizabeth were related, tribal heritage among the descendants of Jacob was passed down through fathers, not mothers (cf. Ruth 4:18-22); children were always of their father’s tribe, not their mother’s. Thus, Elizabeth and Mary were descendants of Aaron and David, respectively, by way of their fathers’ ancestry, and not necessarily of their mothers’.
    Some say that Luke's gospel provides the lineage of Mary but this is far from certain. According to Matthew's Gospel we know the line of Joseph precedes from Judah but we are not told the lineage of Mary. Jesus could very well have been from the tribe of Judah through his father Joseph without his mother Mary herself being from the tribe of Judah. This would have been fully adequate to fulfill the promise of 2 Samuel 7:12-14. Nowhere is it required that Mary herself have a proven lineage from Judah. If that was essential, it would have been made plain in Scripture since it would have been crucial. However, Jesus was from the line of Judah through his legal father Joseph.

    Matthew says, "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. . . . and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ" (Mt 1:1, 16). Scripturally, Matthew is writing to Jews proving the Kingship of Jesus and Lineage here is crucial to establishing Jesus as the Jewish king from the tribe of Judah. It is the line of Joseph the father that is followed. The line of Mary is unmentioned - and Mary could have been from any tribe without in any way invalidating the promise of 2 Sam 7...but as her cousin was of Aaron (and John was of that tribe - which makes sense for him since a Levite would be used to anoint the King Messiah), things line up.

    From the Coptic Orthodox Diocese of Southern US

    There was actually another discussion elsewhere on the issue - as seen here in the thread entitled Barnabas the Levite: Is it significant that Paul learned from a liturgical priest? and here:


     
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