What the Lake of Fire Really is, and What Day and Night Torment Means

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There are many who do not understand what Hell is, otherwise named Gehenna, and also the lake of fire. These are all names that describe one place, which is not the same place as Hades, otherwise known as Sheol. These are two distinct places, one is for the holding place of the souls of men to be resurrected, which is Hades or Sheol, and the other is a final place of punishment for the dead that are resurrected and thrown in it, which is Hell or Gehenna or the lake of fire. Let's first jump into a mention of Hell by Jesus,
And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where "'the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.' (Mark 9:47-48 [NIV])

Now, this passage corresponds with an old prophecy in Isaiah, which is,
"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." (Isaiah 66:24 [NIV])

Notice how this prophecy says and they will go out and look "on the dead bodies". You can only have a dead body if you die, therefore the first thing to know about Hell is that everyone that is thrown into this fire dies. Therefore, any notion that men burn endlessly in this fire is already wrong. Now, the next thing to note is that "they" will go out and look on these bodies. Who is "they"? They are mankind, or rather, people, that are still alive on the earth to witness these dead bodies in this fire. So therefore, if people on the earth will see these bodies in the fire, it stands to reason that this fire will exist on the earth, not in some secret chasm in the middle of the earth, where no one would be able to witness the dead bodies in this fire.

Going further, this prophecy goes into more detail describing this as a place where worms do not die and fire is not quenched, but one can more easily understand these two descriptions when one realizes what type of fire this will be. Let's first explain what type of fire this will be, then I will come back to this. Lets look at Revelation,
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. (Revelation 19:20 [NIV])

So this Hell, is also called a fiery lake of burning sulfur. How can fire be a lake? This is because this great lake of fire will be a lake of lava. Lava has the ability to be a fire, yet also be a liquid, hence able to be a "lake". Lava also has sulfur, which gives it's distinctive pungent smell similar to "rotten eggs". If you Google "volcano rotten eggs" in this link, you will see for yourself that volcanoes, which have lava, are known to have this pungent smell. Knowing this is of great significance, because just as the world before was once reserved and prepared with ice water above the firmament to bring forth a judgment of water as a great flood, so is the world reserved and prepared with lava from below for a judgment of fire that is still to come. For anyone wishing to read about this layer of ice water that existed before the flood and its scriptural proof, I suggest you read The Firmament, and the Cause of the 40 Days of Rain of the Great Flood.

Now, why is knowing that this fire will be a lake of lava also significant? First, because lava is not easily quenched. Lava is not like an ordinary fire that burns and extinguishes once it consumes an object. Lava burns for a very long time and does not need an object, like a piece of wood, to burn. So it stands to reason, that this lava will indeed be an unquenchable fire, especially if there is a constant flow of lava coming from beneath the earth, and thus fulfill the prophecy this this fire "will not be quenched".

Next, how will worms not die in this place? To answer this, one must also understand that lava is not like water, where most things you throw in water will sink. Lava is denser than water, so naturally, any human body that would be thrown in it, will float, and thus fulfill the prophecy that these "dead bodies will be seen", because how could a dead body be seen on this lake of lava if it sinks? According to an article posted on Wired, they have given their own research indicating this,
Pa*s is the SI unit for viscosity — some people might be familiar with other viscosity measures like poise. Viscosity is, more or less, the resistance to flow, so if you throw something in a liquid, a low viscosity liquid (like water) will “get out the way” and you’ll sink faster relative to a high viscosity liquid (like cold corn syrup). The density of the liquid will also play a role in how quickly you might sink based on your own density. So, when we’re looking at water versus lava, lava is ~3.1 times the density and between ~100,000 to 1,100,000 times the viscosity. They are very different!

Do you suppose throwing yourself into lava would have the same effect as falling into a lake? Probably not. The average human has a density of ~1010 kg/m3, so a little bit more dense than water....If you are less than one-third the density of basalt (and you are, admit it), it is going to be next to impossible to sink into that liquid.

The Right (and Wrong) Way to Die When You Fall Into Lava, Wired

So if indeed these dead bodies are floating in this lake of lava, that can be seen by men, it therefore stands to reason that as these bodies would be decomposing on the surface as well, and thus have worms on them, that would thus not die, since the worms would be on the surface of the lava eating the rotting bodies on the surface, and thus fulfill the prophecy in Isaiah "that the worm does not die".

The next matter to discuss, will this lake of lava exist forever? We have already determined that people that are thrown into it die, yet we still have this verse,
Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41 [NIV])

The word "eternal" in this verse is the Greek word "aionon", which is derived from the word "aion", which means "age", or "eon". A usage of the Greek word "aion" can be found here,
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matthew 12:32 [NIV])

So here "aion" refers to a specific amount of time with a beginning and an end, which is why this particular verse is rendered as "this age", and then "age to come", since "this forever", and "forever to come" would be nonsensical. Therefore, if "aion" refers to a specific amount of time, then it would stand to reason that "aionion", its adjective counterpart, would also relate to a specific amount of time as well. Yet even so, an "aion" is not a short amount of time, it is indeed a long time, usually in the thousands of years. So therefore, eternal fire is not a correct translation, it should instead be rendered as "eonial fire", meaning a fire that lasts a very long time. Using the English word eon is better than using the word age, because the word eon can be more easily conjugated than age, such as conjugated into the adjective "eonial", whereas in English there is no good adjective for age, "age-abiding fire" would be nonsensical.

So if this fire is eonial, meaning it burns for a very long time, how long will this fire last? The first mention of it burning is here,
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf... The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. (Revelation 19:20 [NIV])

This is when the beast and the false prophet are captured after the second coming of Jesus Christ. And then the last mention of it is here,
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15 [NIV])

This happens at the great white throne judgment, after the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ and the saints, and we see that indeed the millennial reign happens between these two events here,
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 [NIV])

So therefore, this lake of lava will burn and exist for around a thousand years, which is why it is called an "eonial fire", because it burns for a very long time.

Next, there is the matter of "tormented day and night", as seen in this verse,
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10 [NIV])

And also a similar verse,
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name." (Revelation 14:11 [NIV])

First, one must understand that the beast and the false prophet are not actual persons, they are nations. So how are two nations thrown into a fire? By throwing it's people into the fire. Now, we know that these two nations correspond to many people, in the millions if not more. So what this prophecy is saying is that there will be millions of people that will be thrown into this lake of lava. Now, why is this of significance? Because it greatly relates to "day and night". Lets look at other examples of day and night used in scripture first,
[9] Sink them, O LORD, and divide their tongues! for I saw lawlessness and dispute in the city. [10] Day and night he shall encircle her upon her walls; and lawlessness and misery will be in the midst of her;
(Psalms 55:9-10 [ABP])
And always, night and day, in the mountains, and in the tombs, he was crying out, and cutting himself with stones. (Mark 5:5 [ABP])

"Day and night" in these verse convey a constant continuance of whatever it is they were doing, yet it doesn't mean they were doing it forever, just that they were doing it without ceasing for many days. So how does this constant continuance of many days relate to millions of people being tossed into this lake of fire? That this tossing of millions of people into this lake of fire will happen gradually, day and night, until all have been tossed into the lake of fire. Why will they be tossed into the lake of fire gradually day and night and not all at once? Because they will all be judged first. Judging all of these millions of people is not a task that will be done in one day, but in many days. If for example, you had 100 people that were to be judged in total, and 10 were judged and punished each day, this judging and punishing would happen day and night for 10 days until all 100 are judged and punished. In fact, the elect will also judge these people and thus partake in the judging of the wicked, as this great task will not be done by only one person, which is why it is said,
Or do you not know that the Lord's people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? (1 Corinthians 6:2 [NIV])

And even in Revelation itself we have the same affirmation,
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4 [NIV])

Not only is the judgment of wicked men done gradually and continually day and night, but also the judging of fallen angels as well, as there are also many angels that have sinned, and will thus be judged gradually and continually day and night until all of them are judged and punished. The judgment of angels occurs at the final white throne judgment. And we also have affirmation that the elect will also judge angels,
Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! (1 Corinthians 6:3 [NIV])

These angels will also die like people die, which coincides with this Psalm,
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler." (Psalm 82:7 [NIV])

And also this prophecy concerning Satan himself,
You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. (Ezekiel 28:14-15 [NIV])
All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.'" (Ezekiel 28:19 [NIV])

Next, is the matter of "forever and ever". So we have concluded that "day and night" refers to however long it takes to judge the wicked, so how does "forever and ever" relate to this? Do you recall how we determined earlier that "eternal" is a mistranslation of the word "aion"? The same applies here. The correct rendering of this phrase should've been "eons of the eons", so in all, the text in Revelation 20:10 should read "they will be tormented day and night till the eons of the eons", as the Greek word "eis" can be rendered as "till", take a look for yourself here and the interlinear of the verse can be seen here. Now, when is the eons of the eons? The new heavens and new earth, as we read here,
There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. [they will reign for the eons of the eons]. (Revelation 22:5 [NIV])

So the judging and punishing of all the wicked will happen gradually and continually day and night, until all have been judged, until the start the of the eons of the eons. Amen.

May God open your understanding. You may also view this study on my blog at http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2016/01/2...-hell-and-the-place-of-day-and-night-torment/ .
 

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These angels will also die like people die, which coincides with this Psalm,

"I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.”
You say that this verse is talking about angels, Jesus said that this verse is referring to men


John 10:34
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"
 
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There are many who do not understand what Hell is, otherwise named Gehenna, and also the lake of fire. These are all names that describe one place...

Hell is destroyed along with Death in the Lake of Fire...

Revelation 20:14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"


Not the same thing obviously.

As far as what the Lake of Fire is...

Phoenix.jpg


Yep.
 
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There are many who do not understand what Hell is, otherwise named Gehenna, and also the lake of fire. These are all names that describe one place, which is not the same place as Hades, otherwise known as Sheol.

We should not always assume the greek position of a word like Hades in the bible. The NT Is written in Greek and uses greek concepts in a contextualized way often with its own meaning especially when we are talking concepts used in Greek mythology.

In Greek hades is similar to Sheol or a Hellenized version of it, as a place for the dead. But biblical this is expanded upon as an undesired place of the dead where the redeemed are spared from. A classic example is the parable of the rich man. This is in contrast to the OT Sheol which is only revealed as an indiscriminate place of the dead but largely unknown.

The OT has a lot of foggy concepts yet to be revealed. Sheol is one of them. In the OT it is very mysterious and unknown and all that was really understood was that all must pass through it. The NT reveals a greater understanding of the afterlife where in simple terms there are two places for the dead, one for the wicked (hades) and one for the redeemed (paradise) and Sheol would actually represent both of these places.
 
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Revelation 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"


Palms
Strongs 5404: Phoinix


Re-Birth anyone?

Psalm 107:30
"Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven"


What's a Haven?

Lake?

As in Lake of Fire?

Acts 27:12
"And because the haven was not commodious to winter in, the more part advised to depart thence also, if by any means they might attain to Phenice, and there to winter; which is an haven of Crete, and lieth toward the south west and north west"


Phenice
Strong's 5405: Phoinix


I see...

So the Haven (i.e. Lake of Fire) is the Phoenix.

We get to choose which 'Haven' (Phoenix) we want.

Kinda gives a whole new meaning to "Passing through the Fire" eh?

Moloch.jpg
 
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Nice read. Thanks!
The whole notion of eternal torture does call the character of God into question which is what will cause some folks to click on this thread. I struggled with that for many years and believe the God has been revealing His nature or very essence over the years and He would never endlessly torture His creations regardless of their actions ( I realize this is mY opinion so please ignore it if you disagree)

My understanding at this time is that the lake of fire IS on the earth when the elements melt in fervent heat. Yes, probably magma related. The wicked shall be thrown into this lake of fire which we KNOW will not burn forever because God will remake the earth over top of the old world that was burned down. I believe the wicked will be annihilated both body and soul. It does appear that the devil will endure some sort of eternal torment, so I am not sure how that works.

Actually the earth will burn so hot that the oceans will vaporize and regather in the firmament to set up the new perfect earth once again.
 
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You say that this verse is talking about angels, Jesus said that this verse is referring to men


John 10:34
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

He didn't, hence,
If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside-- (John 10:35 [NIV])

He spoke ambiguously not identifying who this scripture was referring to. I am telling you who it was referring to, fallen angels, as they are indeed gods, and even Satan is a god, as it is said,
in which the god of this eon blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so as to not shine forth to them the illumination of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is image of the unseen of God. (II Corinthians 4:4 [ABP])
 
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We should not always assume the greek position of a word like Hades in the bible. The NT Is written in Greek and uses greek concepts in a contextualized way often with its own meaning especially when we are talking concepts used in Greek mythology.

In Greek hades is similar to Sheol or a Hellenized version of it, as a place for the dead. But biblical this is expanded upon as an undesired place of the dead where the redeemed are spared from. A classic example is the parable of the rich man. This is in contrast to the OT Sheol which is only revealed as an indiscriminate place of the dead but largely unknown.

The OT has a lot of foggy concepts yet to be revealed. Sheol is one of them. In the OT it is very mysterious and unknown and all that was really understood was that all must pass through it. The NT reveals a greater understanding of the afterlife where in simple terms there are two places for the dead, one for the wicked (hades) and one for the redeemed (paradise) and Sheol would actually represent both of these places.

You do not speak rightly about these things,

Hades is Sheol, which is where all the dead go, even Jesus Christ was there. Anyone who goes there "sleeps".

Hell is Gehenna and is the lake of fire, which is where the wicked that are on earth or raised from the dead are thrown into after they are judged, and are thus destroyed forever. It will be a place that will come into existence on earth where the wicked will begin to be thrown into it after the coming of Jesus Christ.

The paradise Jesus Christ is referring to when he spoke to the thief wasn't the paradise in heaven, as Jesus Christ did not ascend to heaven when he died, but instead he was referring to the paradise that will exist in the new earth, hence,

The one having an ear, hear what the spirit says to the assemblies! To the one overcoming, I will give to him to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of my God. (Revelation of John 2:7 [ABP])

And this tree will exist again in the new city of Jerusalem which will be on earth,
down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. (Revelation 22:2 [NIV])
 
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You do not speak rightly about these things,

Hades is Sheol, which is where all the dead go, even Jesus Christ was there. Anyone who goes there "sleeps".

Hell is Gehenna and is the lake of fire, which is where the wicked that are on earth or raised from the dead are thrown into after they are judged, and are thus destroyed forever. It will be a place that will come into existence on earth where the wicked will begin to be thrown into it after the coming of Jesus Christ.

The paradise Jesus Christ is referring to when he spoke to the thief wasn't the paradise in heaven, as Jesus Christ did not ascend to heaven when he died, but instead he was referring to the paradise that will exist in the new earth, hence,

And this tree will exist again in the new city of Jerusalem which will be on earth,

a lot is not known about the afterlife. We know the broad strokes but the details are not clear. This is because the bible is not written for the dead or a book for the afterlife but instead for the living. The OT concept of sheol is an indiscriminate place of the dead and largely unknown. If we follow this to greek Hades would be the natural replacement for this yet the Bible reveals that it's not for everyone and shows it as an undesired place of the dead but you can be spared from it.

If you are suggesting Jesus went to Hades from 1 Peter 3:19 this is not exactly solid proof of what Hades is and what it is not nor that Jesus went there. First Hades is not mentioned in the text so it starts from an assumption and Acts 2:31 tell us Christ was not abandoned to Hades. I'm sure "abandoned" could be taken differently but what 1 Peter 3:19 says certainly doesn't affirm that Jesus went to Hades. The text tells us Jesus went to preach the gospel to the disobedient of the time of Noah. This actually muddies the waters even more suggesting the afterlife for at least the disobedient has layers to it but the bible doesn't expand on this so we are left scratching our heads. What is clear is it was something special for the pre-flood era and does not include the post-flood era. The first mention of Sheol in the Bible is well established in the post-flood era so it is not even clear if this place of afterlife for the pre-flood disobedient was even Sheol if Sheol itself is more than a euphemism and is a physical place. We are only left with what 1 Peter 3:19 described which is a prison for the disobedient which further suggests the obedient were not included and in a different place.

There are many references in scripture that contrast Heaven and Hades suggesting they are different places and reserved for different people; Heaven for the redeemed, and Hades for the disobedient. I won't bother listing the verses and you can check it out yourself. The NT text show us we can be spared from Hades and those who are in Hades will be a part of the second death. All will not go to Hades and we do not want to be a part of the judgment that leads to the second death.

A lot of Christian myth has shaped what is popular opinion on what these places are but rarely do people admit that biblically speaking there is not a whole lot of detail and a lot of it is "fill in the blank" which is not responsible use of scripture. Although the NT reveals greater detail we still only have the broad strokes and those strokes show us that Hades is an undesired place for the disobedient that we can be spared from.
 
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a lot is not known about the afterlife. We know the broad strokes but the details are not clear. This is because the bible is not written for the dead or a book for the afterlife but instead for the living. The OT concept of sheol is an indiscriminate place of the dead and largely unknown. If we follow this to greek Hades would be the natural replacement for this yet the Bible reveals that it's not for everyone and shows it as an undesired place of the dead but you can be spared from it.

If you are suggesting Jesus went to Hades from 1 Peter 3:19 this is not exactly solid proof of what Hades is and what it is not nor that Jesus went there. First Hades is not mentioned in the text so it starts from an assumption and Acts 2:31 tell us Christ was not abandoned to Hades. I'm sure "abandoned" could be taken differently but what 1 Peter 3:19 certainly doesn't affirm that Jesus went to Hades. The text tells us Jesus went to preach the gospel to the disobedient of the the time of Noah. This actually muddies the waters even more suggesting the afterlife for at least the disobedient has layers to it but the bible doesn't expand on this so we are left scratching our heads. What is clear is it was something special for the pre-flood era and does not include the post-flood era. The first mention of Sheol in the Bible is well established in the post-flood era so it is not even clear if this place of afterlife for the pre-flood disobedient was even Sheol if Sheol itself is more than euphemism and is a physical place. We are only left with what 1 Peter 3:19 described which is a prison for the disobedient which further suggests the obedient were not included and in a different place.

There are many references in scripture that contrast Heaven and Hades suggesting they are different places and reserved for difference people; Heaven for the redeemed, and Hades for the disobedient. I won't bother listing the verses and you can check it out yourself. The NT text show us we can be spared from Hades and those who are in Hades will be a part of the second death. All will not go to Hades and we do not want to be a part of the judgment that leads to the second death.

At lot of Christian myth has shaped what is the popular opinion on what these places are but rarely do people admit that biblically speaking there is not a whole lot of detail and a lot of it is "fill in the blank" which is not responsible use of scripture. Although the NT reveals greater detail we still only have the broad strokes and those strokes show us that Hades is an undesired place for the disobedient that we can be spared from.

The judgment of fire and things to come have nothing to do with being dead, as this is a judgment for the living and those that are brought back to life to be judged. The same with the things to come for those that are to be rewarded, this has to do with the living, as anyone who is dead that will be rewarded will be brought back to life to be rewarded, so all these things relate to the living, so to say we don't know what will happen is nonsense, because we do know what will happen, we have many prophecies forecasting the future concerning these things, and they are sure prophecies.
 
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The judgment of fire and things to come have nothing to do with being dead, as this is a judgment for the living and those that are brought back to life to be judged. The same with the things to come for those that are to be rewarded, this has to do with the living, as anyone who is dead that will be rewarded will be brought back to life to be rewarded, so all these things relate to the living, so to say we don't know what will happen is nonsense, because we do know what will happen, we have many prophecies forecasting the future concerning these things, and they are sure prophecies.

I didn't say we don't know what will happen I said we have the broad strokes but not the fine details. You are also misreading my use of "living" so let me clarify: the bible is not written for the dead or for post-resurrected living but for pre-resurrected/pre-raptured/pre-second-coming living in this age.
 
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I didn't say we don't know what will happen I said we have the broad strokes but not the fine details. You are also misreading my use of "living" so let me clarify: the bible is not written for the dead or for post-resurrected living but for pre-resurrected/pre-raptured/pre-second-coming living in this age.

The scriptures are indeed written for both, to say that it isn't is complete nonsense. And especially it being that there is a much greater span of time to be lived for anyone coming to be alive in the kingdom of Christ and beyond in comparison to the short years in this life. The scriptures are certainly written for both types, pre and post resurrection.
 
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Are you guys in agreement with the palms in their hands being birds?

Or that the Lake of fire is a bird?

I think I am missing it on the Phoinix or Pheonix

No, those are inaccurate interpretations.
 
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The scriptures are indeed written for both, to say that it isn't is complete nonsense. And especially it being that there is a much greater span of time to be lived for anyone coming to be alive in the kingdom of Christ and beyond in comparison to the short years in this life. The scriptures are certainly written for both types, pre and post resurrection.

You're digressing come back to the conversation and defend your position that Sheol and hades are the same place and all go to it.
 
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I read about 5 seconds and had enough. The OT text does not use the word Hades and only a greek influenced translation like the Septuagint would. Using a OT version that uses the word Hades instead of Sheol is highly irresponsible when you're claiming they are the same place and says a lot about your character. Just because you can find a version of the bible that says Hades instead of Sheol does not make them the same place. I can call Moses Jesus but doing so doesn't make it true even if I can find a version of the bible to support this, so you will have to try harder than that.

Regardless even if you choose to use Hades in the OT the "OT Hades" is still not equal to the NT Hades and they are shown as different places based on revealed design. There still remains the point that Sheol in the OT is an inescapable place of the dead where NT Hades is an undesired place where it is reveal we can be saved from.
 
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