What is this hand sign exactly mean?

[Goodbook]

True but in occult symbolism, its goat horns. In rock concerts, its generally understood they are goats horns, signs of the devil. Remember that the goat counterfeits the lamb. (sheep and goat parable)
lambs horns curl or spiral under, goats horns stick out. They are dangerous to other animals, while lambs horns are generally left on because they pose no threat.

 

[Kit Sigmon]

There is that hand sign people use on rock concerts. I just made research and found that it is satanic. I have to be honest I used it years ago too but will not ever use it again for sure.

I like a band called Skillet, it is christian rock. But the lead singer shows this sign with his hand on a lot of pictures. I am confused. Is that a bad sign? Maybe he doesn't know what that means?

Some people attack them that they are not christians. But they sing about God, preached the Gorspel, etc. Is it bad to listen to their music because of that sign?

Thanks.

Zolee:

The scriptures don't say the devil has horns, nor is he red and carries a pitchfork...that's what pop culture came up with.
People of God need to search the scriptures and find out what the bible says.
Let's see, in Ezekiel 28:12-18 God describes Lucifer's appearance: “Thus says the Lord GOD, You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created. Until unrighteousness was found in you.”

Lucifer, it seems is a thing of beauty and was an anointed cherub who stood on one side of God's throne.
He's a cherub...so he's got this striking appearance.
Look over in 2 Corinthians 11: 13-15 the devil who was known as Lucifer, he can appear as an angel of light and it go on to
say that his demons can transform into ministers of righteousness.

Cherub or cherubim are described over in the book of Ezekiel in chapter one...they are pretty unique looking
if they are like scripture says.

People make hand signs or use sign language to communicate, where I live there's
gangs over in the bad part of town and they have taken on certain types of signs and say they mean this or that.
I know we have to be "in the know" but we should also remember that it depends on where a person
is from and that certain hand signs don't mean what they may mean where you or I live.
For example if you say someone is black, you don't mean anything bad by it but around here brown
skin people don't like that, they say African American; however, you can go to another neighborhood
and it's OK to say black there.
People have gotten touchy about words and signs.
You may use the hand sign for I love you in a certain area and nothing is thought bad of it, then you go
somewhere else and make that sign and it is taken to mean something bad...it seems nowadays that
misconception is all over the place. I gave a thumbs up sign to someone with a really nice sports
car and the person acted all offended and say that it wasn't cool to do that?... I don't know, it seems
people are just so on edge and the least thing offends them, it's like they itching to start trouble or something.

If I want to know what a hand sign means, I ask the person making the sign.
It's probably hard to do that with someone who is well known and plays in a band
but surely they have representatives and assistants who manage their website who
could tell you what the hand sign mean.
Scripture also says we can do "fruit inspection".
I got up close and personal with two of the members of the group Avalon, they aren't so popular like
they use to be but I like some of their music so me and my husband went to listen to them a few years
ago when they played at small theatre type place. I got to talk to them for a good bit. I probably
wouldn't go see them in concert again but I still like many of their songs.

I don't follow bands or singers that closely, if music is god honoring I listen to it, even if it got
a rocky beat or whatever. I use to get all into slower type Christian music and say it
was the only thing to listen to...then I found there to be gospel singers who weren't
living godly lives, they put on a good show and all.
One thing I like is the lyrics of songs because the words don't change even if the singer of the song is fake or has fallen
short. Pay attention to the words of the song, are they true? do the words edify or not? Just somethings to think
about when you listen to songs or read their lyrics.


Also, we got to be praying for people, because the devil is very busy trying to wear out the saints of God.

 

[ewq1938]

True but in occult symbolism, its goat horns. In rock concerts, its generally understood they are goats horns, signs of the devil.

It depends on the person's intent. The hand sign itself can symbolize any horns and as someone posted, even to say I love you.

 

[ewq1938]

Zolee:

The scriptures don't say the devil has horns,

It comes from the believe that the first seal shows the Antichrist and he has horns of a lamb. Also the beast of Rev 13:1 has horns and is evil. And lastly, Daniel describes the same beast with horns and someone called the little horn which many believe is another reference to the Ac.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Yes for the readers' perspective, not for the actual sign name. Pinky and index finger out and all others, including thumb in.

Just because a team does it, and does it for some reason they are told, doesn't mean that IS what it is for. A lot of people do things that is spiritually dangerous, thinking it is all in good fun. Often times, they say people like me are looking into things too much. Except, when you actually have some knowledge in the occult, white magic and dark magick (with a k,) then it is almost impossible not to see the magical influence these things have - the (emotional, psychological and physical) energy it invokes.

50,000 people all cheering and throwing up a sign they have no real idea of what it means is a powerfull thing. What is more powerful is getting so many people to siphon that energy to you by telling them it is something benign. I am from Texas but my parents told me at a young age not to throw up the sign. I found out why in my 20s. You don't have to practice magick to be exploited by magick

Just want to point out that magick with a k is just an archaic spelling of magic with a c. Its the same word, its not really suddenly malevolent when you add a k and innocuous without it.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Just want to point out that magick with a k is just an archaic spelling of magic with a c. Its the same word, its not really suddenly malevolent when you add a k and innocuous without it.

Magick with a k is used to differentiate stage magic from dark arts. Dark magick vs. Light magic.

The narrative is there is no sinister difference, which is one of many distractions of real, dark Magick - to hide in plain sight through an incredulous arsenal.

Magick is very real, and very powerful.

 

[Goodbook]

in rock bands its generally considered to be the sign of the devil horns, not 'i love you' with the thumb facing out.

The peace sign, or v for victory or 'bunny ears' is different.

Here is from wiki one of the popularizers of the devils horn hand sign - a heavy metal band.

From a 2001 interview with Ronnie James Dio on Metal-Rules.com:

Metal-Rules.com – "I want to ask you about something people have asked you about before but will no doubt continue to talk about, and that is the sign created by raising your index and little finger. Some call it the "evil eye." I would like to know if you were the first one to introduce this to the metal world and what this symbol represents to you?"

R.J. Dio – "I doubt very much if I would be the first one who ever did that. That's like saying I invented the wheel, I'm sure someone did that at some other point. I think you'd have to say that I made it fashionable. I used it so much and all the time and it had become my trademark until the Britney Spears audience decided to do it as well. So it kind of lost its meaning with that. But it was.... I was in Sabbath at the time. It was a symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it. It's just a symbol but it had magical incantations and attitudes to it and I felt it worked very well with Sabbath. So I became very noted for it and then everybody else started to pick up on it and away it went. But I would never say I take credit for being the first to do it. I say because I did it so much that it became the symbol of rock and roll of some kind."[11]

 

[Boidae]

If there is a picture of them showing when they did this can you post it. Yes the two signs look similar.
But just looking at generic pics of them online They dont look much different from secular rock bands just cleaner cut.
I noticed with Newsboys, a supposedly christian band, start singing about God as if hes a lion when in the bible the lion is actually the devil.

I dont like this. Same with amy grant, supposedly christian but then she goes and commits adultery and says its ok. I mean maybe they dont know, or maybe the music industry wants to market them in a way that appeals to everyone.
CCM never appealed to me when I became a christian because it just sounded the same as worldly music and used the same marketing methods.

Jesus is referred to the conquering Lion of Judah in Revelation (Revelation 5:5-6) and within the same paragraph the lamb who was slain. It's because back when Israel (Jacob) was blessing his sons, he called Judah a lion cub and prophesied that the Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah and rule over the nations.

 

[brinny]

Goodbook said: ↑
Lifitng up our hands in prayer is scriptural but making devil horns is not.

The Lamb has horns too.

Lambs don't have horns.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Albion]

Yes for the readers' perspective, not for the actual sign name. Pinky and index finger out and all others, including thumb in.

Just because a team does it, and does it for some reason they are told, doesn't mean that IS what it is for.

It does so in this case since the UT usage is older than these other uses and is not derived from them.

 

[tatteredsoul]

It could in this case since the UT usage appears to be older than these other uses and is not derived from them, from what we can tell.

Mano Cornuto, the hand sign in question, is ancient.

 

[Albion]

Mano Cornuto, the hand sign in question, is ancient.

I was referring to the 'Hook 'em Horns!' sign, particularly in relationship to the rock music, magic, etc. versions that some think, wrongly, led to its use at the University of Texas.

 

[tatteredsoul]

I was referring to the 'Hook 'em Horns!' sign, particularly in relationship to the rock music, magic, etc. versions that some think, wrongly, led to its use at the University of Texas.

Oh I see.

 

[farout]

There is that hand sign people use on rock concerts. I just made research and found that it is satanic. I have to be honest I used it years ago too but will not ever use it again for sure.

I like a band called Skillet, it is christian rock. But the lead singer shows this sign with his hand on a lot of pictures. I am confused. Is that a bad sign? Maybe he doesn't know what that means?

Some people attack them that they are not christians. But they sing about God, preached the Gorspel, etc. Is it bad to listen to their music because of that sign?

Thanks.

What is the sign...what it looks like I mean.

 

[tatteredsoul]

I was referring to the 'Hook 'em Horns!' sign, particularly in relationship to the rock music, magic, etc. versions that some think, wrongly, led to its use at the University of Texas.

I would love to say that Texas college "hook em horns" is occult (it still may actually be occult in nature...)

But, yes really it likely has to do with the longhorn cattle Texas is known for. So I think I misunderstood you earlier.

 

[Goodbook]

If skillet is a band that comes from Texas and supports the sports team there, give them the benefit of the doubt. If they are showing I love you hand signs with the thumb facing out then thats ok.

But if they are just copying other rock bands with the devils horn sign then, meh. I wouldn't bother, they just another sheep in wolves clothing run of the mill christian rock group like all the others.

 

[Goodbook]

sorry I mean wolf in sheeps clothing, but if they are actually sheep in wolves clothing, who are they trying to fool?
If you are a sheep, maybe theres times you dress as a wolf, but that just confuses everyone.

 

[ewq1938]

Lambs don't have horns.

Yes Lambs have horns.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The pointy things on the lambs head are horns.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It comes from the believe that the first seal shows the Antichrist and he has horns of a lamb. Also the beast of Rev 13:1 has horns and is evil. And lastly, Daniel describes the same beast with horns and someone called the little horn which many believe is another reference to the Ac.

The idea that the devil has horns is a rather late medieval artistic depiction in the West, where certain pagan figures came to be appropriated to illustrate the devil. The largest influence was probably Pan, which is also where the devil having goat legs and hooves was taken--and these images likely were responsible for later occultists concocting the image of baphomet--the name baphomet itself likely originating as a corruption of the name Muhammad (compare the old term Mahomet and others).

Earlier art typically would illustrate the devil as a dark, shadowy deformed angel,

-CryptoLutheran

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Yes Lambs have horns.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The pointy things on the lambs head are horns.

This is not a lamb, it is a yearling ram, once shorn. (I'm a former farm guy).