What do you all think about the new sytem of healthcare propossed in Colorado?

[Nia Jenkins]

There is going to be a vote on Nov 8th which asks Coloradans if they want a Single Payer Healthcare System paid for by taxes, what do you think?

 

[cow451]

There is going to be a vote on Nov 8th which asks Coloradans if they want a Single Payer Healthcare System paid for by taxes, what do you think?

Why not use your words and put your view out there?

 

[Nia Jenkins]

Why not use your words and put your view out there?

I know what I think that's why I was asking what others thought.

 

[Blondepudding]

I know what I think that's why I was asking what others thought.

Don't fret. You did the right thing in bringing the news to the attention of people here. It's better at first that an informed source initiate the conversation. In this case the video featuring internationally known author and journalist T.R. Reid and Colorado State Senator Irene Aguilar, MD .

Single payer isn't superior to national health care system now. It's just a different style of , ugh!

 

[cow451]

I know what I think that's why I was asking what others thought.

And now I am asking you.

From a distance, it would be interesting to see it in action, just as RomneyCare was helpful in looking at options. Everything looks workable on paper. Like the ACA it won't be manna from Heaven nor will the earth cease to exist as we know it.

I'm not a single-payer fan. I think a public option-- not the same thing as single payer-- is going to be necessary, however, to get the job done as we have learned from the ACA.

 

[Nia Jenkins]

And now I am asking you.
From a distance, it would be interesting to see it in action, just as RomneyCare was helpful in looking at options. Everything looks workable on paper. Like the ACA it won't be manna from Heaven nor will the earth cease to exist as we know it.
I'm not a single-payer fan. I think a public option-- not the same thing as single payer-- is going to be necessary, however, to get the job done as we have learned from the ACA.

Every modern, wealthy industrialised country in the world has a type of single payer or not for profit health system except one, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?
Out of all those countries mentioned only one of them have tens of thousands of medical bankruptcies every year, the others have none, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?

 

[Blondepudding]

Every modern, wealthy industrialised country in the world has a type of single payer or not for profit health system except one, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?
Out of all those countries mentioned only one of them have tens of thousands of medical bankruptcies every year, the others have none, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?

Have you ever lived in a socialized medicine country?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Every modern, wealthy industrialised country in the world has a type of single payer or not for profit health system except one, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?
Out of all those countries mentioned only one of them have tens of thousands of medical bankruptcies every year, the others have none, Guess which one that is? the United States of America, why do you think that is?

They go bankrupt because they CHOOSE to accept treatment and in many not all, but many cases they go bankrupt because of poor money managment and/or lifesytle choices.

 

[Nia Jenkins]

Have you ever lived in a socialized medicine country?

I'm Welsh and I live in the UK, the UK has had socialized medicine since 1948 and I [or anyone I know] have never had a medical bill or ever worried about going to the doctor, I also only pay about half what you do, everyone pays whether they are sick or not and everyone gets treatment when they need it...... it's simply the best and cheapest way of providing healthcare for EVERYONE.
Sadly it's the word EVERYONE that is making you choke isn't it? it smacks of socialism and communism, it could not be further from the truth but you won't even give it a chance, that's why tens of thousands will continue to die needlessly in America just because they are Americans.

Watch this, you won't believe it.
I had to take it down because someone swore in it, you would have been better for seeing it but I know it would have been banned and taken down.
If you would like to see it go to YouTube and type in:

Michael Moore in Trumpland.

 

[cow451]

They go bankrupt because they CHOOSE to accept treatment and in many not all, but many cases they go bankrupt because of poor money managment and/or lifesytle choices.

How optional is an appendectomy or a coronary bypass or arterial bleed? You are really funny.

 

[J Cord]

Have you ever lived in a socialized medicine country?

I have and do. It's great. AFAIK, nobody running for any office in Canada talks about taking away our healthcare system, it would be political suicide.

According to the OECD:

For those having trouble figuring out what this chart says, in 2007 Canada spent an average of approx $3800 per person on healthcare, the USA $7200, almost twice as much.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How optional is an appendectomy or a coronary bypass or arterial bleed? You are really funny.

To me unless somebody holds you down it is optional. This includes a gun being held to one's head. Unless the person LITERALLY does the act for a person it is optional.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I have and do. It's great. AFAIK, nobody running for any office in Canada talks about taking away our healthcare system, it would be political suicide.

According to the OECD:

For those having trouble figuring out what this chart says, in 2007 Canada spent an average of approx $3800 per person on healthcare, the USA $7200, almost twice as much.

Here, people want Obamacare gone ( of course not everyone For many Obamacare was not helpful and caused rate hikes.

 

[J Cord]

Here, people want Obamacare gone ( of course not everyone For many Obamacare was not helpful and caused rate hikes.

Yes I've seen that, and for good reason imo. It was changed so much to please competing interests it was doomed to have major flaws. Both sides of the aisle need to get together and come up with the best strategy for all Americans. There are lots of models to use as a basis.

 

[HannahT]

I'm Welsh and I live in the UK, the UK has had socialized medicine since 1948 and I [or anyone I know] have never had a medical bill or ever worried about going to the doctor, I also only pay about half what you do, everyone pays whether they are sick or not and everyone gets treatment when they need it...... it's simply the best and cheapest way of providing healthcare for EVERYONE.

The present system isn't setup for the system that your country has. I'm also not to sure I trust the government here to do the job that would be needed. They don't tend to fix things, but throw money at it in hopes it will go away. I'm not sure if the UK system does that. Ours? Sadly, has a habitual pattern of doing it.

People do want a system in place. Despite all the emotional accusations - it is common sense and a need there. It's the incompetence that people are afraid of, because they can make it worse...and will not be held accountable for it. They will blame someone else - or point fingers at the other party. Then nothing happens.

Depending on where you live? Here your costs could be HIGH or LOW (and low isn't low by any means). Doctor's pay malpractice insurance, because they get sued - justly or not justly - is a huge costs of doing business. The costs of doing business due to all the laws, insurance, regulations and everything else? That was never address in our current law - among other things. Competition is stifled for a array of reasons, and quality of care varies. They never addressed any of that in the current law either.

When the current law happened, and all the promises we were given didn't happen? They diverted to how many people finally have healthcare when asked WHY it didn't work they way they said it would. So, promises and how it will happen doesn't matter. They claimed we would save money, and yet the opposite happened in majority of cases. Again their answer was all these people finally have healthcare. So, it pretty much shows you what they say - and what actually happens? You can't predict it. So, we are left in the dark. I'm happy that many get healthcare now, but to many people were still left without - and their response was a non answer or diversions. Their answer to 'everyone can get covered' is far from anywhere near 'everyone'.

This year the costs are skyrocketing in majority of areas, and their choice of companies is less than it was before. Many companies are leaving the program, because the healthy people didn't sign on like the government predicted. The costs are prohibitive for citizens to do so, and claims of how it will be the cost of a cellphone bill? A lie. The companies lost millions of dollars, because the government doesn't know what they are doing. The fine for NOT signing up was cheaper than signing up, and if you get sick? You sign up at that point to cover you - again all the sick people signed up...no requirement of the healthy to do so. The program is lopsided.

The government was told all this would happen - it would collapse the way they put it together, and their response was it was a conspiracy theory. Now? It's the other side's fault for not cooperating with them. It's nuts.

The government can't handle this, and now they want the whole thing given to them? People are wary, because nothing has gone as they promised it would. Meanwhile, they (the government) get all their healthcare taken care of. Nope, they wouldn't even sign up for the system they put in place. Yes, it was so awesome they wouldn't even sign on. It's rather telling.

 

[jayem]

To me unless somebody holds you down it is optional. This includes a gun being held to one's head. Unless the person LITERALLY does the act for a person it is optional.

An adult of sound mind has the right to refuse medical care. I'm curious. Would you not consent to treatment in all situations? And if not, when would you accept it?

And how about for a child? I hope you're aware that if you had a daughter, let's say with juvenile-onset diabetes, refusing medical care for her would not be an option. It would be criminal child neglect.

 

[cow451]

To me unless somebody holds you down it is optional. This includes a gun being held to one's head. Unless the person LITERALLY does the act for a person it is optional.

Ever had appendicitis? Ever had a heart attack?

 

[cow451]

Here, people want Obamacare gone ( of course not everyone For many Obamacare was not helpful and caused rate hikes.

Only people that don't need it want it gone. Idiots like Trump don't even understand it well enough to have an intelligent discussion about it.

 

[J Cord]

Only people that don't need it want it gone. Idiots like Trump don't even understand it well enough to have an intelligent discussion about it.

When you're talking Trump, that's true for almost any subject. Except sexually assaulting women of course, he seems to be an expert on that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Ever had appendicitis? Ever had a heart attack?

no, but I DO know that with a heart attack if someone is smart sign a DNR ( beforehand) order that will be enough people are not going to hold you down and make you take treatment. In fact, I have heard of people LITERALLY suing others for saving their lives if they had inicated otherwise.