What about the Seventh-Day Baptists?

[BobRyan]

I am a 7th day Baptist and we keep the Sabbath for strictly new testament reasons. Jesus Christ was the Lord of the Sabbath day and John was in the spirit on the Lord's day. Sunday get's it's name from the worship of the sun. Do you think God would be honored by worship on a polluted day like that - ummmmm, NO! SDA's do more damage than good with their old covenant Christianity. All they ever talk about is the Law, Law, Law and then sprinkle in Ellen White and vegetables - just a horrible Christian witness.

Hint: - that it because we are "NEW Covenant" Christians.

Have you thought maybe the "New Covenant" is a "good thing"???

 

[BobRyan]

I am a 7th day Baptist and we keep the Sabbath for strictly new testament reasons.

Those who think Jesus preached against the scriptures are not reading Mark 7:6-13 very closely.

In Gen 2:1-3 the Sabbath is the 7th day of creation week - and according to Genesis 2 it is then that the Sabbath is "Sanctified", blessed, set apart.

The Baptist Confession of Faith, the Westminster Confession of Faith, D.L. Moody and many others admit that the "Sabbath was made for mankind" (Mark 2:27) and it began in Eden.

So then when - or how - was the Sabbath Commandment changed? How was the obligation, sanctity, blessing of the 7th day transferred to week-day-1??

One Catholic Author - of a commentary on the Baltimore Catechism - after Vatican II describes it this way

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Leo Trese in his book "The Faith Explained" -- commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II -

The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
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changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".

page 243

"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

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. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
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One Catholic poster on this section of the board describes it this way.

Open Heart said: ↑
It is the transferring of the solemnity of the Sabbath to the Lord's Day (Sunday).

I know you don't like it that we did this. That's fine.

And how does the Bible define the "Solemnity" - the blessed, sanctified and binding obligation of the Sabbath -- in actual scripture.

Gen 2
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20: 8, 11
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

So how is that the Law of God is up for "edit" for change? For taking one of the Commandments - and "repointing it" so that now "another day" is blessed, sanctified, and made holy??

Indeed the RCC claims to have the authority to do that.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Don't forget they also eliminated the second Commandment altogether on their own authority...

 

[Dave-W]

Don't forget they also eliminated the second Commandment altogether on their own authority...

Different groups divide the Decalogue differently.

Talmud based Judaism has "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" as the 2nd commandment.

For some christians (Reformed Calvinist and Eastern Orthodox) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" is the 2nd commandment; and for other christians "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" is.

 

[BobRyan]

The commandments read the same in the KJV as they do in the RCC's Douay-Rhimes Bible in Exodus 20. The "change" people speak of -- is in the Catechism.

 

[Dave-W]

The commandments read the same in the KJV as they do in the RCC's Douay-Rhimes Bible in Exodus 20. The "change" people speak of -- is in the Catechism.

Yes they read the same. But where they get divided is a matter of interpretation.

Are "no gods before me" and "no graven image" one command or 2?
Are coveting your neighbor's wife and coveting his donkey one command or 2?
Depending on how you divide it out, the numbers change.

For example: keeping the Sabbath is referred to in most protestant denominations as the 4th commandment; However, in Augustinian, Catholic and Lutheran reckoning, it is the 3rd.

But that says nothing about changing the overall text of the commands.

A chart showing how they are divided up is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Traditions_for_numbering

 

[BobRyan]

the Jews "were there for the writing of the TEN" at Sinai - they seem to know how the numbering went. The Protestants go along with those at the event itself.

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

Hi

I know that you believe that every Church or Denomination who doesn´t celebrate the Lord´s day on Saturday/Sabbath are in heresy and sin against god´s commandments.

What I´m wondering know is, what you think about the Seventh-Day-Baptists then, as they also keep the Sabbath as you do?
Are they nevertheless heretics and will go to hell?

Esdra

seventh day baptists have been around since the 1400's or 1500's

before 1840's

do the math

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

In Hebrews 8 and 9 - God tells us that the entire point of the OT sanctuary was to explain how the Gospel was working ... specifically the role of Christ - post-cross as our High Priest in heaven.

The idea that Christ has not done anything of salvation significance in the last 2000 years - is foreign to the Bible.

yup yup

 

[Dave-W]

In Hebrews 8 and 9 - God tells us that the entire point of the OT sanctuary was to explain how the Gospel was working

I will agree with this with the exception of the words "entire point." There is a lot more to it than just that.

That viewpoint smacks of replacement theology ....

... specifically the role of Christ - post-cross as our High Priest in heaven.

The idea that Christ has not done anything of salvation significance in the last 2000 years - is foreign to the Bible.

In the Gospels He said He was working until now. I see nothing in scripture to countermand that.

Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

 

[BobRyan]

seventh day baptists have been around since the 1400's or 1500's

before 1840's

do the math

using that model - Seventh-day Adventists were here in the first century - as the NT church - - but like those in the 1400's that did not call themselves "Seventh-day Baptists" so those saints in the NT did not call themselves "Seventh-day Adventists" other than that they were.

Such arguments are not as compelling as they could be.

 

[BobRyan]

In Hebrews 8 and 9 - God tells us that the entire point of the OT sanctuary was to explain how the Gospel was working ... specifically the role of Christ - post-cross as our High Priest in heaven.

The idea that Christ has not done anything of salvation significance in the last 2000 years - is foreign to the Bible.

I will agree with this with the exception of the words "entire point." There is a lot more to it than just that.

That viewpoint smacks of replacement theology ....

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For replacement theology you need to look at Romans 2, Romans 9 and Romans 11. I don't think you see it as clearly in Heb 8 and 9 and 10 -- unless you are referring to the fact those 3 chapters in Hebrews point to the end of the earthly priesthood.