Well fare

[dogs4thewin]

How should it be run, so that people will want to get off of it and we will save money. As well as, of course ensuring it is NOT abused.

 

[good brother]

Not that I have a full laid out plan, but at least one aspect of properly run welfare should be that it should be temporary and help people out of that situation, not keep them comfortable in it.

 

[Pommer]

Less aircraft carriers.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Less aircraft carriers.

do what
and good brother how long should it be?

 

[abdAlSalam]

Not that I have a full laid out plan, but at least one aspect of properly run welfare should be that it should be temporary and help people out of that situation, not keep them comfortable in it.

So you're completely okay with current welfare laws?

Because that's how they're set up right now.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you're completely okay with current welfare laws?

Because that's how they're set up right now.

Well then they are very bad at enforcing them.

 

[abdAlSalam]

Any citation for the rate of fraud in the welfare program? As it stands now, a family can only receive welfare for 2 years, must work or be looking for a job, and has a lifetime limit of 5 years. It may vary by state (haven't really looked it up), but that is what the federal law is.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Any citation for the rate of fraud in the welfare program? As it stands now, a family can only receive welfare for 2 years, must work or be looking for a job, and has a lifetime limit of 5 years. It may vary by state (haven't really looked it up), but that is what the federal law is.

Well that may be true, but I am almost positive that there are people that abuse it by the generation.

 

[abdAlSalam]

Well that may be true, but I am almost positive that there are people that abuse it by the generation.

Any evidence or is it just a gut feeling?

 

[dogs4thewin]

well indirect evidence yes

 

[abdAlSalam]

So no real evidence. No citations, no studies, nothing concrete? Let me guess, anecdotes? Do I need to dig out an old post detailing why anecdotes are useless for making general assumptions about a population?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So no real evidence. No citations, no studies, nothing concrete? Let me guess, anecdotes? Do I need to dig out an old post detailing why anecdotes are useless for making general assumptions about a population?

actually, I have seen it with my own eyes to say nothing of my mother working in the city and having people refuse to pay bill, but if you would like me to tell you about my VERY recent experience in the generational abuse I will. If it is not the case that people abuse it why is it that children who grow up in the projects often REMAIN there in adulthood?

 

[abdAlSalam]

Hah, anecdote. Called it.

For your perusal:
http://www.junkland.net/2012/01/8-myths-about-welfare-queens-debunked.html
It's kind of a crappy blog but they do provide citations, which I recommend reading.

 

[good brother]

So you're completely okay with current welfare laws?

Because that's how they're set up right now.

Maybe idealistically, but not in action. I heard one man tell another that he "should quit his job and go back on welfare because he can make more there." If he didn't like the money he was making there at the job he was at, he should be looking for a better job, not looking to get back on welfare.

and good brother how long should it be?

Idk. That's why I said I don't have a fully laid out plan.

 

[RedPaddy]

It should end completely as soon as the youngest current child in the household turns 3 months old or a weekly drug test is failed for the first time after being accepted into the welfare program.

(And yes, I am counting children in utero.)

It's a one time deal. Don't bother applying again.

 

[abdAlSalam]

You guys do know that singular for data is not 'anecdote', right?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Hah, anecdote. Called it.

For your perusal:
Junkland: 8 Myths About "Welfare Queens", Debunked
It's kind of a crappy blog but they do provide citations, which I recommend reading.

Except that I worked with the kids less than six weeks ago so I know about the generational deal.

 

[abdAlSalam]

And you blame generational poverty on welfare. Welfare is not a cause, it's a band-aid, for generational poverty (which has several factors, mostly lack of education and meaningful parental support).

 

[dogs4thewin]

And you blame generational poverty on welfare. Welfare is not a cause, it's a band-aid, for generational poverty (which has several factors, mostly lack of education and meaningful parental support).

I didn't say it did not, but at a certain point each child/young adult must take it on themselves to do better for themselves. Public/free education free /reduced prices school meals scholarships for higher education at some point YOU must take responsability for you and your life.
Redpaddy how did you come up with three months old?

 

[RedPaddy]

I didn't say it did not, but at a certain point each child/young adult must take it on themselves to do better for themselves. Public/free education free /reduced prices school meals scholarships for higher education at some point YOU must take responsability for you and your life.
Redpaddy how did you come up with three months old?

12 weeks is roughly what is allowed for maternity leave for working mothers. After that most are cleared to return to work. Those on welfare should not be entitled to greater benefits than those footing the bill.