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Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Gxg (G²), Oct 2, 2012.

  1. ArmyMatt

    ArmyMatt Regular Member

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    you get that with every politican. I remember one of Bill Clinton's adds in 1996 accused Bob Dole of not supporting veterans enough....and statistically it was true, based on laws that he voted for or against in the Senate. I would be willing to bet that if I wanted to, I could find more than a few off the cuff comments of anyone over a long period of time that would make them look like the greatest racist on the planet.
     
  2. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    Every politican isn't in view, nor do all politicans do so. Clinton's comment isn't based on a history of comments against others not supporting veterans when in political campaigns. With Dole's stances, as it was true what Clinton said on him, it'd not be inaccurate since it wasn't a stereotype. Different story with Santurom and the comment made about not wanting to support blacks on welfare despite the fact that it has never been blacks on welfare solely (or even in a majority above other ethnic groups) nor is it the case that support is a negative to avoid/denounce. Taking comments out of context in one setting doesn't mean that comments dealt with in another are automatically OUT of context, as it concerns Santorum. Of course one can find a number of off the cuff comments and (divorced from the history of the one speaking or examination of accuracy) make them out to be something they're not...but that argument doesn't work when people examine in context what was said, defended and in line historically with a number of comments/policies advocated with a figure. That is the case with Santurom, who has not shown any history of really being concerned for the black community and has often made significant stereotypes of others.


    Happened before in regards to talking about marriage, singling out black people learning about marriage as opposed to all people and then trying to critique the president on how to date his spouse (as if that's his business or as if it all has to be the same):



    There's way around or nor any real basis in saying "Well, he was taken out of context" as if it was simply off the cuff when his other commentary doesn't add up either.

    Santorum spontaneously derided poor black people in response to a question about foreign money..withthe comment on black people tying into his explanation of why he did it. When asked about the comments in a CBS interview, Santorum bizarrely referenced a documentary about the education achievement gap, Waiting for Superman, to explain the context. “Yesterday I talked for example about a movie called, um, what was it? ‘Waiting for Superman,’ which was about black children and so I don’t know whether it was in response and I was talking about that,” he said. The movie actually portrays students of several races. There had originally been some confusion about whether Santorum actually said the word “black,” which he appeared to clear up in the CBS interview by acknowledging that was in fact the statement he made. CBS accurately pointed out that only nine percent of Iowans on food stamps are black — and 84 percent are white. Nationally, 39 percent of welfare recipients are white, 37 percent are black, and 17 percent are Hispanic. So Santorum’s decision to single out black welfare recipients was needless and insulting — and inaccurate — stereotypes of the kind of people some voters might expect to want a “handout.”

    And if that wasn't bad enough, there was back-peddling in saying he meant "blah" people rather than "black people"---even though others, conservatives and liberals alike, called him on it and the ways that the excuses for the blunder didn't line up. What "blah people" even means we might never know, but Rick Santorum fits the profile of the stereotypical conservative that doesn't care to help anyone outside a select few....and in speaking on it, one doesn't even have to assume that one's a racist bigot in order to address where they have serious stereotypes that can at least be apologized for. Defending it doesn't make things better..

     
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  3. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    The Corporate shut out can be stopped, but it really depends on how much money is given to satisfy requirements to participate.
     
  4. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    Although I do not like the man on many things, I must say that the man does have many astute/observant points with humorous style used to deliver them. The one you noted is a trip:)
     
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    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    Yes, and what's also powerful is being liberated from being tied down to a certain party and having a more objective view of all candidates.

    I do think there's a bit of a suppression (while most people just don't realize it that way, but from the top down, they have been taught this through talk radio, talking heads on tv or what have you) when people tell you you're wasting your vote for a third party or you'll be giving the election to whomever their candidate's opponent is. How about we're voting for who we believe reflects our beliefs and stances on issues the most?
     
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    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    you're welcome!
     
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    well, hot dang, you got me there Easy. I guess I just started responding because of the statement that the GOP is full of racism, got me going, and you have the evidence far more on your side.

    what I wanted to point out was that Clinton called on Bob Dole's record to show that he did not support Veterans, when the man is a legit war hero who has done a ton for service members, just not on paper in Congress as much as he woulda liked. my point was that even statements over a long period of time can be misconstrued to suit others purposes.

    but you got me on those videos. game, set, match.
     
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    gurneyhalleck1 The Orthodox Dark Knight Rises!

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    check and mate! LOL

     
  9. Gxg (G²)

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    GeeWiz, AM..apart from showing where there were not others in the GOP who were very much racist (as even others in the GOP noted when saying many comments/stances were indeed of a bad nature), there really wasn't anything to trip on. It'd be like someone discussing what a person from the Left says which is negative/discrimination and then having another say that there's a lot of mess/racism from people in the Left----and then having someone say "Well, there's mess in the GOP as well!!!"

    Error on one side doesn't take away from any being done in another...and where someone makes a comment of a racist nature (as was the case with what gurnney mentioned with Newt before anything on Rick came up), addressing that doesn't mean one says all things on the GOP are the same nor does it mean people realy need to react as if there's denial that such has ever been the case historically.

    It is what it and (IMHO) there's no need for sarcasm (if that was the intention) on the point when there's simple discussion of where many things said politically have had a racist nature.... If you feel that there's nothing within the GOP party that has ever been racist, past or present (just as there has been on the left), then that is how you feel. However, if you believe that there have been plenty of others in the GOP party as well as the Left that've made racial commentaries and advocated stereotypes, then you agree with what gurnney and others have said and thus there's nothing to really trip on.
    Clinton's comments, when calling Bob Dole on not showing he supported Veterans, would not have been taken to say that DOle never served in the military as a veteran/supported veterans when it came to physical combat...even with the progression of time due to the history of commentary that Clinton gave and has often shown. There was a full discussion.

    One cannot and never can advocate, however, that the situation is the same with Rick on comments being misunderstood over time since the context was plain. There was logical reason to say blacks are the ones he doesn't want to support on welfare (despite the real facts on welfare not being about majority blacks on it), nor would time give a less clear understand of what he said fully---and even the correction on it which many conservatives noted made NO sense and would never make sense even over time. The same as it concerns commentary stereotyping blacks when it comes to marriage and other issues.

    Wouldn't be a matter of videos alone as transcripts would be an issue alongside what people in his party said.

    Ultimately, if you support Santurom 100% at all points/feel he has said or done no wrong, that's your right to view such.
     
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    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    Real..
    Voting on what you believe, even when it's not the majority, shows that one truly owns their vote---and in many ways, it's even a bit intimidating because it means you'll really feel as if you're standing alone when you're really having many back you up.
     
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    haha, no Easy, I am just saying what initially got me going, and then Santorum kinda became the poster boy for the argument. twas just me being reactionary and not thinking. there was no sarcasm in my last post. twas my bad for missreading.
     
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    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassador

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    Got ya and my bad for misreading as it concerns sarcasm. It's so easy to misread others online many times
     
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    been there my man, we be coo
     
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