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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Neogaia777, Dec 20, 2016.

  1. Colter

    Colter Member

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    Yes, God the Father is within, he has sent a piece of himself into the hearts of ALL people. The Thought Adjuster waits patiently for the glorious day when his child seeks his guidance.
     
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    Hey St_Worm2 (btw, is it okay if I just call you worm? The St. + underscore just seems so formal...)

    I think there is room for both interpretations (i.e. inside and in your midst) to be accurate depending on the circumstance. In the case of Luke 17:20-21 the context appears to be that of people who want to be able to point to some physical identifier (like the temple) as proof of the KoH, which, in this particular case, seemed to overlook that the KoH isn't based on physical rituals or observances, bur rather is based on an invisible spiritual relationship with God. In this context it makes more sense for the translation to be "inside you".

    But, if the context were something like "showing the kingdom of Heaven through practical behavior", like neighbor loving or whatever, then I think the "in your midst" option would be appropriate (like when Jesus sent the disciples out with the instruction that anyone who rejected them was to be told, "the kingdom of Heaven has come near to you".
     
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    Haha, interesting euphemism for "teacher". Wish I would have known that in high school.
     
  4. OzSpen

    OzSpen Regular Member

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    Your accusation is false.

    Assertions require evidence, otherwise they are personal opinions with no clout.
     
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    OzSpen Regular Member

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    Now compare that love with the love of 1 Corinthians 13.
     
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    The love in 1 Cor 13 is only part of the picture.
     
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    I'm not sure what the disagreement is, here. Would you mind clarifying your comments about comparison?
     
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    What about Christ in you, like Paul and others...?
     
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    Hell only makes sense to me if some kind of form or type of re-incarnation or recycling of souls or people is possible and a reality...

    This reality, a lot of it is torment, and I think this realm of reality is hell, I think it is the outer darkness outside the gates or kingdom walls of heaven where people, and some people suffer, or are miserable or tormented for eternity. Some people never change their ways and I think these ones are predestined and created to be unchanging and to always be miserable and make everyone else miserable, to be tormented and torment others, forever...

    Some do change though and grow and achieve in God's eyes and overcome and develop and make it into heaven at some point. I think he predestined these ones as well, and the purpose of the ones who never change in his eyes, they were only created for, and their kinds of reality, this reality, only exists for the purpose of growing, developing and refining the rest of us that do and are predestined to make it into heaven...

    We who make it often start out less than or under and perhaps, in some cases, even "worse" than the others who are not meant to, for the purpose of growing, developing and refining us, anyways we may start out less than or under, or maybe even "worse" than them, but, by them and at their hands we get refined and developed into growing into being more and greater than, and, in the next world, over them, and, in God's eyes, better than them, even if we may have started out worse.

    Is that cruel of God to create creatures some that are predestined who do not ever make it, for the purpose of molding and shaping and predestining others that do make it, "because" of the ones who do not ever make it?

    The only thing I can say is "hey, he's God, who are we to question what he can or cannot or should or shouldn't do?" Shall the potter say to the clay, "Why did you make me this way?" or, "Is not right for God to do what he wishes with his own things?" "Is it not right for God to make a vessel, one for an unfit use, another for a fitting use?"

    God Bless!
     
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    Astral Projection/Spirit travel is something almost all of us do, but may not realize it...

    The movie: "The Never Ending Story"... The boy goes into the bookstore and he's asked by the Old Man, If He had read, can't remember the Book, the one with a Captain Nemo in it... Anyways, he asks the boy, "Have you ever "been" Captain Nemo, under the Sea...?" The boy says, "Yes, I have." (excitedly)...

    The boy was "Astral Projecting" or practicing "Spirit Travel"... Many of us do this with books, movies, T.V., even peoples conversations, identifying and relating to the individuals in it in a very personal, deeply connected way...

    When a child plays with a action figure, or watches a T.V. show and goes around saying and playing with his toy and imagining and racing around making noises saying "I'm batman!, Or, "I'm a power ranger" Or I'm a ninja turtle", or whatever, he's astral projecting...

    Most of us do this with the "Good people" and not the bad ones, until those lines get blurred, that is, then it can get scary, if your still doing it and cannot control it...

    You start thinking your like the bad ones, or go back and forth with any and all of them, male female, good bad, young old, which can be very confusing and scary... What your really doing is trying to find yourself when it gets to this point and your still doing it cause you lost yourself and it gets very scary and very confusing...

    Couple with the fact of the "special book", a book that is quite literally alive and comes to life when your doing this with it... In the example, the Never Ending Story Book, which is just like the living book, The Bible, especially when your projecting or traveling in the Spirit...

    Well, that's that...

    God Bless!
     
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    Hi Neogaia, whether the Lord is standing on one of the moons of Saturn, sitting across from us at a table in Starbucks, or indwelling us, we look outside of ourselves to Him for our peace (we don't seek it within ourselves).

    But the Buddha says, “Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.”

    The Dalai Lama (at an ecumenical world summit a little over a decade ago) admitted that for specific reasons such as this (along with many, many others, of course), the core teachings of Buddhism and Christianity cannot be harmonized.

    Even something as simple as the way we "meditate" is diametrically opposed to that of the East (we fill our minds with the word of God and focus on Him when we meditate, they empty theirs).

    As I said earlier in this thread, there are points that Christianity does seem to touch on the teachings of Buddhism (and vice versa), but these (seeming) similarities are quickly lost when the true/deeper meanings of each are uncovered, compared, and properly understood.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    --David



    "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not
    as the world gives, do I give to you. Let not your
    heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid"

    John 14:27
     
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    I was replying to ValleyGal who stated, 'There is only one love' and referred to God is love.

    The fact is that the Greek language uses four words for love:
    • agape - God's unconditional love that is voluntary and rational when exercised by human beings;
    • philia - close friendship, emotional, or brotherly love;
    • eros - erotic love;
    • storge - parental love.
    Only 2 of these are used in the NT - agape and philia.

    Oz
     
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    Isn't there room for both of you to be right, here? God is the only source of love. That love can be expressed in a variety of ways (as you've suggested).

    However, I'd just like to add that your description of unconditional love comes across as a contradiction. Unconditional love can't be described as voluntary or rational, because those equate to conditions.
     
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    Love in action needs to be described. It was not contradictory but a description of how it happens. If I have an agape love of my wife, it is voluntary (I am not forced to love in this way) and reasonable/rational (It is more than reasonable to love her in this way). There's nothing contradictory there.

    If you gained the meaning of agape from Arndt & Gingrich's Greek lexicon (1957:5-6), you would find that it means:
    • Of human love - without indication of the person, who is the object of love;
    • Of the love of God and Christ to men (human beings); of the relation between God and Christ;
    • A love-feast, a common meal eaten by early Christians in connection with their church services, for the purpose of fostering and expressing brotherly love.
    Thayer's Greek lexicon gives the meaning as 'affection, good-will, love, benevolence (Jn 15:13; Rom 13;10; 1 Jn 14:18). Of the love of men to men; especially of that love of Christians towards Christians which is enjoined and prompted by their religion, whether the love be viewed as in the soul or as expressed.... Of the love of men towards God' (Thayer 1889/1962:4-5).

    Oz
     
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    Hi Oz. Thanks for elaborating on your understanding of agape love. You know, I used to think agape love was the kind of love that leaves your mouth hanging open in stupefied wonder. I still like to think of it that way even though I've since learned the variety of meanings behind the word.

    Anyway, I don't see anything about unconditional in any of those definitions you offered, which makes sense. Love, without any kind of condition to define what it is doesn't make sense.

    In any attempt you make to define unconditional love, I guarantee you will use conditional statements. For example, your illustration of voluntarily loving your wife. The two conditions are that first, she is your wife, and second the love is voluntary.

    In the third definition regarding the "love-feast" there are a few conditions. The meal is common. It is connected to their church service. It is meant to foster brotherly love. It would not achieve the same goal if the meal was eaten separately by individuals in their private homes. If the condition of "common" is not met, then the brotherly love won't be there.
     
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    I provided these definitions:

    If you gained the meaning of agape from Arndt & Gingrich's Greek lexicon (1957:5-6), you would find that it means:
    • Of human love - without indication of the person, who is the object of love;
    • Of the love of God and Christ to men (human beings); of the relation between God and Christ;
    To love someone without indication of the qualities or liabilities of a person is unconditional. That's what Arndt & Gingrich meant with the lexicon definition, 'without indication of the person, who is the object of love'.

    The love of God and Christ to people is unconditional. They love you, me, Hitler, Osama bin Laden or any other brute with this kind of agape: 'For God so loved the world that he gave....' (Jn 3:16).

    If you want God to love you and me with conditional love, we would be damned because of our sin. I thank God that his love for me did not consider the nature of my heart. 'But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us' (Rom 5:8).

    There is no way in the world that you will convince me that God's agape love for human beings or between God and Christ is conditional.

    Oz
     
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    Nope, because "without" is a condition. Try again?
     
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    For the engineer there is Murphy's law. The Poet says that the "child is father of the man" meaning we are the product of our childhood. Or you can not teach an old dog new tricks. If you want to reduce everything to a proverb you can look at what Solomon has to say about it.
     
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    Most contradictions can be explained. The issue is dealing with paradoxes.
     
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    I'm not into playing games. Bye! :wave: