'Unfairness doctrine' a muzzle to silence conservatives, says gun owners group

[uberd00b]

...like the legalized pot & prostitution in Holland for example

Exactly.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

I agree. No wonder why citizens of the "Old World" (i.e. Europe) are always portrayed in the media as being so civilized.

It's because they are more civilized than most Americans, and their attitudes about gun ownership demonstrate that.

The decision to own a gun affects not only the gun owner but those around him, because a gun is a deadly weapon. Every gun-toting American adds a millisecond of insecurity to my day and my life. By their exercising their ill-granted freedom, they are diminishing mine to feel confident.

If I meet a speeder with road rage, for example, I have to think, "Is this person just a nut? Or is he a nut with a gun?"

And my quality of life is diminished by the fact that people with anger management problems....or alcoholism....or mental illness....can own guns and be a threat to themselves and others, including me.

Well, they gave us, Franco, Hitler, Benito, various other despots, and touched off a couple of world wars.

If you want to call that civilized...

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I am not surprised that many ACLU members are kept in ignorance by the leaders of the ACLU.

You do know that the ACLU wants to legalize the SALES, POSSESSION, and DISTRIBUTION of child inappropriate contentography, including child rape and child snuffer videos. The ACLU official spokesman testified so under oath before GOD in a senate hearing.

A Christian should never, ever support any group that wants to legalize the SALES of CHILD inappropriate content! God has a curse on those who abuse children.

You do know that people would take you much more seriously if you actually posted your sources along with your claims.

For example if you would name the ACLU spokesman and cite the case people could verify it and you would look far more intelligent. Using CAPS doesn't make you right. Using facts more likely will.

P.S. I'm not a member of the ACLU.

 

[UberLutheran]

I am not surprised that many ACLU members are kept in ignorance by the leaders of the ACLU.

You do know that the ACLU wants to legalize the SALES, POSSESSION, and DISTRIBUTION of child inappropriate contentography, including child rape and child snuffer videos. The ACLU official spokesman testified so under oath before GOD in a senate hearing.

A Christian should never, ever support any group that wants to legalize the SALES of CHILD inappropriate content! God has a curse on those who abuse children.

Well, I'm a practicing Christian and a practicing, dues-paying, active member of the ACLU, and I know for a fact the ACLU does NOT do the things you allege.

You know what Scripture says about bearing false witness, don't you?

 

[UberLutheran]

Freedom of gun ownership is an American thing~I wouldn't expect foreigners to understand. Americans that choose not to own are excercising their freedom in this right.

Founding fathers understood the nature of tyranny~that's why the amendment is in there. Take it away from the citizens (and allowing only the rich & elite & govt to have guns), and it is like Squealer crawling up the ladder and adding words to one of the commandments:

All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others

As to the OP, the idea of "fairness" is a funny one. I heard it suggested that since the democrats are so into "fairness" they should pool all their campaign contributions and divide them up evenly amongst the candidates~that would be "fair"

I don't know quite why this is, but when conservatives find out that I — Democratic Socialist, member of moveon.org, the ACLU, Alliance for Justice, American Family Voices, Common Cause, Common Dreams, Consumers Union, Democracy for America, Drive Democracy, Drug Policy Alliance, Human Rights Campaign, Intelligence Squad, ONE.org, Planned Parenthood, the Progressive Media Project, The Texas Freedom Network, True Majority, and Working Assets — have a rifle which is registered and have a handgun and a concealed handgun permit — they tend to get very antsy, very defensive and occasionally quite nasty.

As though they think a leftist would use a gun on a right-winger if he were attacked.

Which I would.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

I don't know quite why this is, but when conservatives find out that I — Democratic Socialist, member of moveon.org, the ACLU, Alliance for Justice, American Family Voices, Common Cause, Common Dreams, Consumers Union, Democracy for America, Drive Democracy, Drug Policy Alliance, Human Rights Campaign, Intelligence Squad, ONE.org, Planned Parenthood, the Progressive Media Project, The Texas Freedom Network, True Majority, and Working Assets — have a rifle which is registered and have a handgun and a concealed handgun permit — they tend to get very antsy, very defensive and occasionally quite nasty.

As though they think a leftist would use a gun on a right-winger if he were attacked.

Which I would.

Real liberals have squads of armed bodyguards to protect them while the lecture us about how we don't need guns.

 

[JacobHall86]

I agree. No wonder why citizens of the "Old World" (i.e. Europe) are always portrayed in the media as being so civilized.

It's because they are more civilized than most Americans, and their attitudes about gun ownership demonstrate that.

The decision to own a gun affects not only the gun owner but those around him, because a gun is a deadly weapon. Every gun-toting American adds a millisecond of insecurity to my day and my life. By their exercising their ill-granted freedom, they are diminishing mine to feel confident.

If I meet a speeder with road rage, for example, I have to think, "Is this person just a nut? Or is he a nut with a gun?"

And my quality of life is diminished by the fact that people with anger management problems....or alcoholism....or mental illness....can own guns and be a threat to themselves and others, including me.

No, its not.

You are willing to make innocent people suffer for crimes they did not commit so that you can feel "safer". Here is a little interesting piece of history, only one nation has ever removed all personal firearms from its citizens. It was Nazi Germany. After the guns were removed "For the Greater Good" the Jews and others were slaughtered because noone could stop the government without guns.

If you dont like guns thats fine, but you have no right to impose a nanny state on me because you are uncomfortable around guns. You have no right to give the government more authority over my life than it deserves based solely on you wanting to feel safer.

"Those who trade Liberty for security deserve neither, and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[KerrMetric]

Here is a little interesting piece of history, only one nation has ever removed all personal firearms from its citizens. It was Nazi Germany. After the guns were removed "For the Greater Good" the Jews and others were slaughtered because noone could stop the government without guns.

That is such revisionist BS. There was no real cause and effect in that situation. Full gun control was not established until 1938 (which was extending prior Weimar Republic law from a decade earlier) - long after the Nazis were in power and the Wehrmacht under their thumb. The Jews never had the base even if armed to prevent what happened. Gun control from the 1928 Law was actually aimed at the Nazis and the Communists to prevent them from having private armies.

I'm not anti-gun but don't use bogus fact challenged arguments.

 

[ACougar]

Well, I'm a practicing Christian and a practicing, dues-paying, active member of the ACLU, and I know for a fact the ACLU does NOT do the things you allege.

You know what Scripture says about bearing false witness, don't you?

It's a sad testiment to the effectiveness of lies and disinformtion.

I'm a liberal because I believe that our liberties must be fiercly defended and that everyone should have the opportunity to succede. That includes the right to keep and bear arms (which for some reason confuses lot's of liberals and conservatives for that matter) and the maintenance of a military strong enough to deter war.

I'm a member of the ACLU as well, primarily because it guards against encroachement of our civil liberties. Sometimes that means defending groups like the KKK, and thier right to peacably assemble, sometimes it means standing up to someone who wants to abuse government authority to favor or discriminate against religion. It's not always a popular stuggle, however without groups like the ACLU I shudder to think what our country would become.

 

[Sphere]

It's because they are more civilized than most Americans, and their attitudes about gun ownership demonstrate that.

America is very civilized, it certainly isn't the wild west. Especially for the amount of firearms in circulation, statistically speaking it's almost a non-issue.

The decision to own a gun affects not only the gun owner but those around him, because a gun is a deadly weapon. Every gun-toting American adds a millisecond of insecurity to my day and my life. By their exercising their ill-granted freedom, they are diminishing mine to feel confident.

Chances are more than likely, in your neighborhood 1 out of every 2 home owners is also a firearm owner. Unless you live in a city where private ownership is banned(chicago, new york, DC, detroit, ect) in which case--only the people who break the law(criminals) have firearms. Your fears aren't based on a threat, but on your perception of a threat. You or someone in your family is more likely to die from an aspirin overdose than from a firearm.

If I meet a speeder with road rage, for example, I have to think, "Is this person just a nut? Or is he a nut with a gun?"

And my quality of life is diminished by the fact that people with anger management problems....or alcoholism....or mental illness....can own guns and be a threat to themselves and others, including me.

It's not the gun that is the threat, it's the nut. A nut with a knife is just as bad as a nut with a car, or a nut with a gun, or a nut with a bomb. But that's aside the point. The cliche incidents of road rage and then a gun is produced is virtually non-existent. Does it happen? Sure. But it's so statistically rare it's not even worth mentioning. You're more likely to be a victim of a serial killer(10-100 people killed yearly) than a road rage incident with a firearm being produced by a nut.

Florida is often testing ground for these kinds of things. New laws are passed and people assume the sky will fall. They are wrong every time. In 2005 for instance, on October 1st--there was a stand your ground law passed in Florida. In a nutshell, it meant that if you were attacked or felt threatened--you could stand your ground and use deadly force(a gun). Furthermore, you were immune to prosecution and civil liability if your actions were deemed justifiable.

Well, suffice to say the gun control nuts went wild. Saying that Florida was going to be come the wild west, shootouts, skyrocketing murder rates and more. It didn't happen. As a matter of fact, less than a month after that law was passed--on October 24th 2005 Hurricane Wilma struck south Florida(the heavily dense reagons of north miami and broward county where I live). Power was out for a week, emergency crews were virtually unavailable. Gas shortages and more. The perfect situation for anarchy to break out, and it just didn't happen. Today, years later--we're doing just fine. Florida isn't the wild west, and the violent crime rate is far lower than other areas with very harsh gun control laws.

That is such revisionist BS. There was no real cause and effect in that situation. Full gun control was not established until 1938 (which was extending prior Weimar Republic law from a decade earlier) - long after the Nazis were in power and the Wehrmacht under their thumb. The Jews never had the base even if armed to prevent what happened. Gun control from the 1928 Law was actually aimed at the Nazis and the Communists to prevent them from having private armies.

I'm not anti-gun but don't use bogus fact challenged arguments.

Actually his claims are true. If you study other genocides and other atrocities committed by various governments throughout history--there is always one characteristic that is present:

The citizens are always disarmed by the government beforehand. Always.

A disarmed population is a population of potential victims. This phenomena is also seen on a smaller scale. If you look into the characteristics of mass murders incidents, you will find that they invariably only occur in areas where the victims are disarmed by law.

 

[MrJim]

I don't know quite why this is, but when conservatives find out that I — Democratic Socialist, member of moveon.org, the ACLU, Alliance for Justice, American Family Voices, Common Cause, Common Dreams, Consumers Union, Democracy for America, Drive Democracy, Drug Policy Alliance, Human Rights Campaign, Intelligence Squad, ONE.org, Planned Parenthood, the Progressive Media Project, The Texas Freedom Network, True Majority, and Working Assets — have a rifle which is registered and have a handgun and a concealed handgun permit — they tend to get very antsy, very defensive and occasionally quite nasty.

As though they think a leftist would use a gun on a right-winger if he were attacked.

Which I would.

...but are you a member of the NRA

That is interesting, as one gun owner to another You've no worries over this "right-winger" attacking ya hoss, nor any of the ones I know~tend to be a careful bunch when it comes to gun issues.

ANYHOW, are you in a heavy crime area? I've a permit but don't carry much these days; things have actually settled down around here in the past few years.

 

[blueapplepaste]

I am not surprised that many ACLU members are kept in ignorance by the leaders of the ACLU.

You do know that the ACLU wants to legalize the SALES, POSSESSION, and DISTRIBUTION of child inappropriate contentography, including child rape and child snuffer videos. The ACLU official spokesman testified so under oath before GOD in a senate hearing.

A Christian should never, ever support any group that wants to legalize the SALES of CHILD inappropriate content! God has a curse on those who abuse children.

This has been proven time and time again to be false. You've been shown that it's false and you have shown no evidence to the contrary. Saying it over and over won't make it any more true. Also, where is the evidence that the ACLU said religious speech was "2nd rate speech"? A simple link will do, but since you never have evidence to support your claims, I think that this one is probably false, too.