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U.K. plan would allow same-sex unions in church

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by He'sMyLordAlways, Feb 13, 2011.

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  1. Phinehas2

    Phinehas2 Guest

    Great post PolarQuest,
    This is what the Biblical testimony of God says and what the majority mainstream Christian churches hold to.
    We are listening to some baseless contrary opinions and disbelief of what God's word says on the issue.
     
  2. Supreme

    Supreme Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Mod Supporter Staff on LOA

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    Th Quakers still are a Christian organisation. They just have a broad range of Christian beliefs.

    Politics is not out of touch- this change will not affect the majority of churches in the UK, so what? Shouldn't the minority of churches who do want to conduct civil ceremonies be allowed to without silly government bans?
     
  3. Belk

    Belk Senior Member

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    Other people are doing something I disagree with even though it doesn't affect me personally. When will this madness stop?!?!
     
  4. DaisyDay

    DaisyDay blind squirrel

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    About half, from what I can tell.
     
  5. Phinehas2

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    Supreme,
    According to you perhaps, but not according to them.
    http://www.quaker.org.uk/quaker-beliefs
    Quakers do not share a fixed set of beliefs.
    There is a great diversity within the Quakers on conceptions of God
    Some Quakers have a conception of God which is similar to that of orthodox Christians, and would use similar language.
    but would conceive of God in very different terms to the traditional Christian trinity. Some describe themselves as agnostics, or humanists, or non-theists.

    So they need to get with it if they are supposed ot be representing society as aa whole rather than their oiwn ideas.
     
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  6. He'sMyLordAlways

    He'sMyLordAlways Newbie

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    Well I need to ask this of you David.. you ask what does it matter to God if 2 people of the same sex are together?

    I'm sure it does matter based on this question to you..
    Why did God even create women in the first place if he's as mighty as we are to know him to be in the first place?
    He didn't need to create woman if he intended to have all men in the world.
    He could have just as well keep making men to be in the world and not bother with making woman.

    As for women he could have made woman instead of man and then to keep creating them all have virgin births.

    I don't think the Lord needed help on what he intended to be what he envisioned of mankind. He knew he wanted man to lie down with woman only.
     
  7. Belk

    Belk Senior Member

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    So God made two sexes. Ok, good so far. Now you just have to show that because he made two sexes he disapproves of homosexual relationships. Good luck. :wave:
     
  8. Phinehas2

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    As God created woman for man, man with man wasnt what He created. One doesnt need to show it the evidence speaks for itself. The anatomy supports this view.
    But His word actually says He created them 'male and female; it was for this reason'

    What exactly is the purpose of this thread, to discuss this potential UK law or to discus the nature of Christian faith?
     
  9. Italianguy

    Italianguy Also known as Iguy! The follower of Christ.

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    It's an outright insult to God to allow same sex marriage in HIS house! People need to wake up and realise this is not ok to change the church and GODS LAWS to conform to our wants/needs and start coming back to His realities and His commandments! Gross insult it is! Stop being so liberal that you forget that there was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam!
     
  10. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    "gay legal something"?? :p

    Connecticut, Washington DC, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, and Iowa, all have same sex MARRIAGE. Several other states have civil unions/domestic partnerships etc.. which legally are supposedly the same as "marriage"
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    For you and people who believe as you do that is fine, nobody is suggesting you or your houses of worship MUST perform weddings for same sex couples or anyone else that they don't believe can be married. However a government entity should not be determining for churches if they can or cannot perform wedding ceremonies. To me that is the issue here, not the right or wrong of any specific ceremony.
     
  11. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    Hmmm.. but it's okay for a government entity to determine what can and can't be done in a house of worship?
     
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    Since you claim to have the authority to say what is or is not christian it would seem to tend towards the later, yes?

    Oh, and using the naturalistic fallacy impresses no one. Just FYI. :wave:
     
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    How can anyone insult an all knowing, all powerful, perfect being? Some would make their god as small as they are.
     
  14. Italianguy

    Italianguy Also known as Iguy! The follower of Christ.

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    Got me! You can insult Him, blasphemy is rampent these days, and YES, people have made God to be as small as we, I see it allot in the new so-called praise and worship songs and new rock-n-roll churches popping up all over!

    I will never sing a song that Says God is my friend! He is the creator! He IS All Knowing, and we are miniscule compared to His Infinite Being!
     
  15. Italianguy

    Italianguy Also known as Iguy! The follower of Christ.

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    Didn't say that! I don't care about 90% of the article, just the part about gay mariage...IN A CHURCH!
     
  16. David Brider

    David Brider Liberal fundamentalist progressive evangelical.

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    What exactly do you mean when you talk about a same sex relationship? If you were to explain that, it might help me to understand why you see Biblical passages that aren't even talking about relationships at all as being some sort of condemnation of same sex relationships.

    It may well be that the majority of Christians believe as you do. But it's not as if those who believe similarly to me are a tiny minority or anything. Calling people deluded is hardly a particularly Christian way to have a discussion with your brother in Christ, y'know. We disagree. I'm aware of the arguments in favour of your point of view. I've looked at them. I just don't find them particularly convincing.

    Sorry, what was the actual question?


    Okay, well how about this then: if you can find a same-sex relationship which is characterised by a bunch of people knocking on a man's door and demanding to have sex with his two guests, then the account of Sodom would have some relevance to this discussion. As it stands, though, it's got absolutely nothing to do with allowing same-sex couples to get married. Okay?

    It's in line with your understanding of the word of God. Mine is in line with my understanding of the word of God.

    So far you haven't even shown how the Biblical references you've cited have anything to do with same-sex relationships, so I wouldn't be too quick to ascribe your exegesis to the majority mainstream Christian churches, nor to dismiss my reading of Scripture as "strange ideas".

    David.
     
  17. David Brider

    David Brider Liberal fundamentalist progressive evangelical.

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    Fortunately, He is your friend. That's why He died for you on the cross, He loves you that much.

    David.
     
  18. David Brider

    David Brider Liberal fundamentalist progressive evangelical.

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    Anatomy, however, doesn't dictate human emotion.

    If two people fall in love with each other, why do you think their anatomy should dictate whether or not they can get married?

    David.
     
  19. David Brider

    David Brider Liberal fundamentalist progressive evangelical.

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    If I thought it was really an insult to God, I wouldn't be in favour of it happening.

    If your church doesn't want to carry out same sex marriages, that's fine. But don't try to impose your standards on churches that are happy to carry out such marriages.

    David.
     
  20. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    So you don't care if a government entity tells a church what marriage ceremonies they can and cannot perform.... because you're too busy worrying about same sex marriage....
     
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