Rev 11:3 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
NOTE: Notice that the two witnesses are not "sent", they are granted authority, as if they are already here?..?...?
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Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Zec 4:2 He said to me, "What do you see?" And I said, "I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it;
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Zec 4:11 Then I said to him, "What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?"
Zec 4:12 And I answered the second time and said to him, "What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?"
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off (Jews), and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them(Gentiles), and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Zec 4:12 And I answered the second time and said to him, "What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?"
Zec 4:14 Then he said, "These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth."
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
I submit that the two witnesses are the Jews and Gentiles empowered by the spirit of Elijah, the same spirit given to John the Baptist.
Luk_1:17 "It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Elijah means "My Lord is my God" or "My God is Yahweh" Depending on how you interpret..
Feel free to correct me with scripture where I am mistaken here, Im simply trying to put the puzzle pieces together.
I believe that Jews who truly worship and repent to God the father but have never been taught Jesus Christ, still worship Jesus Christ, as he is God.
There is no difference between the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ of the New testament, its the same spirit, same character, same loving nature.
(still think Im a dispensationalist anyone? lol)
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Ebedmelech offered some amazing insight as well, Id like to put his post here as well, I feel like it gives more understanding, His post is below..
"John tells us in Revelation 1:20:
20 As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
As one goes forward in Revelation there are two symbols:
1. The stars in Jesus hand were the seven angels (pastors) of the seven churches.
2. The seven lampstands are the seven churches.
The church will be symbolized as a lampstand going forward in Revelation. So when one gets to Revelation 11:4 and reads:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
The lampstands...stand before the "Lord of the earth"...the lampstands represent two churches based on the symbols given by John.
Where can we find the symbols of the "two olive trees" except in Zechariah 4:1-6? That's where we find the symbol of the two olive trees. The two olive trees are supplying a lampstand with oil.
My conclusion is this:
1. Oil is the symbol of the Holy Spirit throughout scripture...and as Zechariah told by the angel in Zecariah 4:4-6 that the olive trees and the lampstand he saw were to be understood as:
4 Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?”
5 So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
6 Then he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord of hosts.
I think it fair to say this represents two churches empowered by the Holy Spirit to be God's "two witnesses".
These two churches were started under the two great apostles Peter and Paul!!!
1. Jesus chose Peter to be over the church of the Jews in Acts 2 as the church began at Jerusalem.
2. Jesus chose Paul with a specific role in Acts 9:15...though Paul would preach to "the sons of Israel too, his primary mission was to the Gentile church.
I think this again is shown to us by Paul as he speaks to the Galatian saints in Galatians 2:7 where he says:
7 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised
8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),
I conclude the two lampstands are the Jew and Gentile church spreading the gospel, and they are types of Moses and Elijah.
I used to think the two witnesses were Peter and Paul but I have come through study to believe they are the Jew and Gentile church as God's witnesses. I conclude this also based on Romans 11 as Israel and the Gentiles become one olive tree as Romans 11:17-24 shows them becoming one olive tree!
That's where I am with it...and I continue to study this conclusion."
NOTE: Notice that the two witnesses are not "sent", they are granted authority, as if they are already here?..?...?
continue...
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Zec 4:2 He said to me, "What do you see?" And I said, "I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it;
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Zec 4:11 Then I said to him, "What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?"
Zec 4:12 And I answered the second time and said to him, "What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?"
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off (Jews), and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them(Gentiles), and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Zec 4:12 And I answered the second time and said to him, "What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?"
Zec 4:14 Then he said, "These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth."
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
I submit that the two witnesses are the Jews and Gentiles empowered by the spirit of Elijah, the same spirit given to John the Baptist.
Luk_1:17 "It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Elijah means "My Lord is my God" or "My God is Yahweh" Depending on how you interpret..
Feel free to correct me with scripture where I am mistaken here, Im simply trying to put the puzzle pieces together.
I believe that Jews who truly worship and repent to God the father but have never been taught Jesus Christ, still worship Jesus Christ, as he is God.
There is no difference between the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ of the New testament, its the same spirit, same character, same loving nature.
(still think Im a dispensationalist anyone? lol)
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Ebedmelech offered some amazing insight as well, Id like to put his post here as well, I feel like it gives more understanding, His post is below..
"John tells us in Revelation 1:20:
20 As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
As one goes forward in Revelation there are two symbols:
1. The stars in Jesus hand were the seven angels (pastors) of the seven churches.
2. The seven lampstands are the seven churches.
The church will be symbolized as a lampstand going forward in Revelation. So when one gets to Revelation 11:4 and reads:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
The lampstands...stand before the "Lord of the earth"...the lampstands represent two churches based on the symbols given by John.
Where can we find the symbols of the "two olive trees" except in Zechariah 4:1-6? That's where we find the symbol of the two olive trees. The two olive trees are supplying a lampstand with oil.
My conclusion is this:
1. Oil is the symbol of the Holy Spirit throughout scripture...and as Zechariah told by the angel in Zecariah 4:4-6 that the olive trees and the lampstand he saw were to be understood as:
4 Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?”
5 So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
6 Then he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord of hosts.
I think it fair to say this represents two churches empowered by the Holy Spirit to be God's "two witnesses".
These two churches were started under the two great apostles Peter and Paul!!!
1. Jesus chose Peter to be over the church of the Jews in Acts 2 as the church began at Jerusalem.
2. Jesus chose Paul with a specific role in Acts 9:15...though Paul would preach to "the sons of Israel too, his primary mission was to the Gentile church.
I think this again is shown to us by Paul as he speaks to the Galatian saints in Galatians 2:7 where he says:
7 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised
8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),
I conclude the two lampstands are the Jew and Gentile church spreading the gospel, and they are types of Moses and Elijah.
I used to think the two witnesses were Peter and Paul but I have come through study to believe they are the Jew and Gentile church as God's witnesses. I conclude this also based on Romans 11 as Israel and the Gentiles become one olive tree as Romans 11:17-24 shows them becoming one olive tree!
That's where I am with it...and I continue to study this conclusion."
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