"I wish we could stop labeling, but I have to call you idealistic... "
And, I just realized the circular irony of my statement...
I thought you'd done that on purpose.
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"I wish we could stop labeling, but I have to call you idealistic... "
And, I just realized the circular irony of my statement...
Isn't that just what repentance is? A change of mind? A change of beliefs?Eloquently stated, but let's think why I would, again consider it idealistic to hope there would be a change in mindset. God said we have to die to ourselves to become right. That means a lot - for starters, you would have to literally reprogram your brain to forget everything you have learned in your life, and the reprogram your brain to align with God's will. Clearly we both know this doesn't happen overnight, and many of us bear the burden of literal "reeducation" for hope of being with God. But, why would anyone change their mindset and "reeducate" their mentalities of a group/people/class that they don't even care about anyway?
I've noticed that....and, even with your explanation, I have to say I still don't "get" it. I'd expect that when people (especially Christians---who should live by the words, "do mercy, love justice") see how great of a problem this is...they'd desire change. Call me mistaken, I guess.I see very few people actually responding to your very real, and very sensible appeals. Why? Because of our ego, and even our warped superego that is supposed to lasso our egos. And, I mean this happens on all sides.
CryOfALion said:Excuse me? Way over what line? You think I was flaming? A hit dog will holler, that is all. And, I meant what I said. As a matter of fact, I wasn't the first person that said this. Matthew 7: 1-5 James 4:11-12 John 7:24 Romans 2:1-3. And, that is just a teaser beginning. You have a lot of nerve accusing me of crossing a line, especially considering I don't judge the dead, and revile them with commonplace stereotypical rhetoric. It is very revealing that 1) out of everything I posted you snipped what you thought was an atrocity and, 2) you would get on me for calling out hypocrite - and not reproof those who judge and revile the dead. Wow. As I said before (perhaps in another thread,) it is no wonder why atheists have pause when reconciling God. We do not give them much to hope and desire with out actions. Who would want to be the subject of a god whose followers are judgmental, ignorant and downright mean? You really have a lot of nerve.
I quoted the rule it broke. I was trying to give you a chance to edit your post.
You can say what you want about people who disagree with you, EXCEPT insinuating they aren't actually Christians. That's a rule for posting here.
PreachersWife2004 said:So who do YOU blame then, aside from the criminals?
Do you believe that words can inflame people and rile them up?
I believe that saying things like "However, with all that has recently happened, who here thought that this crisis would not escalate?" seem to excuse the behavior. Bedford also said this: "Maybe if cops didn't go around killing and injuring innocent people, then getting away with it, we would not see this kind of thing happen."
So yeah, let's talk about taking swipes and laying blame. It couldn't possibly be that this guy was fueled by the cop-haters and their protests, oh NO, it had to be that cops do bad things.
Blame??
As noted above, white supremacists have targeted more cops and the news media has not created the type of hysteria we saw in Brooklyn. Same when Eric Rudolph, Gordon Kahl, and others murdered cops. Many of these kooks have been inspired by the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, and other right wing radicals.
Makes you wonder - what if Timothy McVeigh had been black. What would the news media and right wing response had been??
Blame??
As noted above, white supremacists have targeted more cops and the news media has not created the type of hysteria we saw in Brooklyn. Same when Eric Rudolph, Gordon Kahl, and others murdered cops. Many of these kooks have been inspired by the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, and other right wing radicals.
Makes you wonder - what if Timothy McVeigh had been black. What would the news media and right wing response had been??
Makes you wonder - what if Timothy McVeigh had been black. What would the news media and right wing response had been??
Or what would the left's response had been?
So who do YOU blame then, aside from the criminals?
Do you believe that words can inflame people and rile them up?
I believe that saying things like "However, with all that has recently happened, who here thought that this crisis would not escalate?" seem to excuse the behavior. Bedford also said this: "Maybe if cops didn't go around killing and injuring innocent people, then getting away with it, we would not see this kind of thing happen."
So yeah, let's talk about taking swipes and laying blame. It couldn't possibly be that this guy was fueled by the cop-haters and their protests, oh NO, it had to be that cops do bad things.
There's a difference between "blame" and "accountability". We need accountability.
Can you explain the difference between the two as you see it?
I'd say a lot of the difference has to do with attitude.
To me......blame is about punishment (and avoiding punishment)......it thrives in an environment that is more of an "us" versus "them" variety.....fear and secrecy are aspects of that environment. If blame is the goal----once the culprit is found, there's no need to go any further (or to solve the problem---or even define the problem).
But accountability is about an attitude of being open to learn (to improve). In an environment where accountability is an attibute....there's no fear of imperfections.....but acknowledging the failures gives insight to how things can improve (and improvement is the ultimate goal).
Wait, what? How was Eric Rudolph and Gordon Kahl inspired by the Tea Party or Limbaugh? Did they have a time machine?
PreachersWife2004 said:{re McVeigh}
Or what would the left's response had been?
I haven't seen any black person in the USA whose views reflected the warped thinking and actions of a McVeigh.
I would consider it idealistic to hope there would be a change in mindset. God said we have to die to ourselves to become right. That means a lot - for starters, you would have to literally reprogram your brain to forget everything you have learned in your life, and the reprogram your brain to align with God's will. Clearly we both know this doesn't happen overnight, and many of us bear the burden of literal "reeducation" for hope of being with God. But, why would anyone change their mindset and "reeducate" their mentalities of a group/people/class that they don't even care about anyway?
I'd say a lot of the difference has to do with attitude.
To me......blame is about punishment (and avoiding punishment)......it thrives in an environment that is more of an "us" versus "them" variety.....fear, denial of imperfections, and secrecy are aspects of that environment. If blame is the goal----once the culprit is found, there's no need to go any further (or to solve the problem---or even define the problem).
But accountability is about an attitude of being open to learn (to improve). In an environment where accountability is an attibute....there's no fear of imperfections.....but acknowledging the failures gives insight to how things can improve (and improvement is the ultimate goal).