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If we are to discern the times thatvwe are living in today, we must only rely on the Holy Ghost to reveal the truth of the written word. So from the perspective of our Holy God we first must identity the first beast that existed during John's time, remembering that John who was exiled on a Roman Penal Colony on the Island of Patmos needed to encrypt much of what he witnessed by symbolism so that his testimony would not be discovered and then destroyed.

We will start of by first revealing the first beast that was and is not and yet will reemerge from the bottomless Pitt to persecute the end day Apostolic Church.

This first beast was given power by the red dragon who persecuted the pregnant women symbolizing the 1st Centiry Apostolic Church that was ready to deliver the gospel of the Son Jesus Christ. The red dragon used his earthly beastly powers to perpetrate a flood of enemies that would persecute the 1 st century church and chase the witnesses who had the testimony of Jesus from city to city.

We also have the mother harlot which is a symbol of the false faith who became desolate without a husband who managed alongside the fist beast to ride him in a joint venture to capture and kill those who had the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Added to these points is the identification of the first beast as one who had six successive kings of which five have died and one is currently alive.

From all the above interpretation of the symbolism used in Revelation of John, we can establish that the main threat to the 1st Century Apostolic Church in what is called the great tribulations is when it started with Herod the Great who satan the dragon used to try to kill Jesus by the killing of all children's two years and under. The. We see four other successive earthly kings that reign from the first beast who also die and one is left, who is the sixth king, king Agrippa II.

Now we can see that the Herodean Dynasty ruled the first beast up to the sixth king, king Agrippa II before the first beast was given the mortal head wound in 70AD and the mother harlot the LEVITICAL system was burnt down along with the first beast in the battle of Armageddon. Hence John encrypts this first beast and LEVITICAL husband less without Christ mother harlot by showing how she rides the first beast in persecuting the 1st century Apostolic Church in the church's great tribulation to spread the gospel of the Son under extreme persecution.

Now that we have identified the first beast and the husband less without Christ mother harlot, we come back to the prophesy of John, who witnesses the destruction of the first beast with the mother harlot in the battle of Armageddon in 70AD. That is why John would say the beast that was (before 70AD) and is not (70AD destruction of Jerusalem) and will yet be again at a future appointed time.

We now are living in the generation where the first beast who had the mortal head wound back in 70AD, his head wound had been healed in 1948 owing to the efforts of the second lamb like beast who gives life to the image of the first beast.

Who might the second beast be, who emerges out of the earth, meaning from a new discovered nation. Who is that new discovered nation and who is like the lamb. To answer these questions we must understand that the identifier of being lamb like is an outward appearance of Christlike meaning being labelled as Christians. This lamb like second beast has according to one of its power based horns an outward Christian identification. However its other horn is its earthly political power base where it speaks out like a dragon by causing fire (WAR) to come down on the enemies of the first beast that it gives life to.

Now we can finally understand that the two horned second beast who has an outward Christ like appeal operates from the new earthly discovered nation calling itself the United States of America. Therefore this second beast is revealed as CHRISTIAN ZIONISM. If you consider the two power bases horns where the name in itself identifies it as CHRISTIAN (1st power based horn) ZIONISM (2nd political based horn).

So there you have it the two horned lamb like second beast is CHRISTIAN ZIONISM, who gives life to the first beast who had a deadly wound back in 70AD and was healed in 1948 as the nation calling itself Israel.

We now can study that all the wars that American has been involved in is in securing the first beast. The current push by the second beast who is CHRISTIAN ZIONISM is to go to war against Syria, Iran and Russia in securing the first beast power base calling itself earthly Israel. Israel's involvement in the syrian conflict places it as the first beast party alongside the second beast Christian Zionism who now has his sight using the United States of American to bring down WAR (FIRE) upon Syria who posses a threat to the first beast.

If you read the versus in Revelation of John below you will discern that there has not been the UNHOLY TRINITY OF THE DRAGON, FIRST BEAST AND SECOND BEAST AS THE LAMB LIKE FALSE PROPHET since the mortal head wound back in 70AD where the first beast was the Herodean Dynasty and the second beast false prophet was the LEVITICAL Sanhedrin religious power base. Today we are seeing the unholy trinity in action in the Middle East in drawing all the world into a conflict.

Revelation 13:11-15
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

You can discern from the versus of Revelation below that the UNHOLY TRINITY ALLIANCE has been fully established and these three players Satan, earthly Israel and Christian Zionism is SYMBOLIZED as three unclean spirits of devils that go out to deceive the whole world into bringing it on the brink of catastrophic world war that will draw all the earthly kings into conflict from both sides of the fence and move towards the great day of God almighty to infuriate him to being catastrophe upon this UNHOLY TRINITY ALLIANCE.

Revelation 16:13-14
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

What conclusion I can make from this evil trio is that God Almighty is said to intervene by the pouring out of the judgement vials.

It is therefore apparent that at a certain point that Satan will incarnate himself as did Christ in his fest and only coming to try and deceive the world into a false peace and in accepting him as the earthly messiah who comes to the rescue of the earthly nation Israel. The false SECOND COMING earthly doctrine is there to prepare the world to accept the beast of the bottomless Pitt who is also the abomination that maketh desolate and the wicked son of perdition who tries to take the place of Christ on earth and in his endeavour will end up martyring the true witnesses of Christ in a world wide Calvary. After this point God is set to destroy Satan who has manifested himself in flesh and also those who took part in the whole sake slaughter of Christ's apostolic church.

We can further establish from the versus below that the world wide Calvary perpetrated by the unholy trinity alliance will be complete when Christians around the world are slaughter left, right and centre who would not bow their knees before Satan who posses as the earthly Christ. That is why we see the whole world being SYMBOLIZED as Sodom (lawless) and Egypt (idolatry) in their worship of the mother of all living idols Satan as the Abomination that Maketh desolate. We note that the world wide Calvary is evident in describing the sanctioning of the annihilation of Christians from every tongue and nation to parade the dead bodies of the anhiliated true apostolic church.

Revelation 11:7-9
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Then after the removal of the church, we have God come out of his place in it rage of anger with fury in his eyes to destroy all life on earth by a great and terrible earthquake that sees the whole solar system in disarray.

The remaining saints who survive the world wide Calvary are whisked away by angels of The Lord to the last fortified mountain of God where the last battle will be fought that is depicted in Joel 2:1-12. This is where God who is said to be the Battle Bow and the Ancient of Days will make war by sanctioning his Elijah in the army that he gathers before the brilliant light of the real Christ comes and obliterates the whole earthly realm and translates the remaining end of harvest saints SYMBOLIZED as the last good wine up to the ark of safety New Jerusalem in the timeless angelic heavenly realm.
 

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John reveals the kings of the first and states the sixth king is. We know from history that the sixth king in line of the Herodean Dynasty was King Agrippa II, however John doesn't stop there, he gives us the riddle that we need to read carefully below:


Revelation 17:10-11
And there are seven kings:five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

From the above versus we then realise that the OTHER IS NOT YET COME. And this king that hasn't come yet is said to come when the first beast mortal wound is healed and this we saw in 1948. We also note that this king is THE EIGHTH which implies a definite article alluding to the beast of the bottomless Pitt where the number eight is symbolic of being resurrected or incarnated as the seventh beast in succession to the sixth king Agrippa II that went off into exile after the fall of the first beast and the levitical mother harlot.

Now we can see the second coming earthly doctrine is preparing the world to receive the resurrected (eighth king) beast of the bottomless Pitt as the earthly messiah and will reign in succession of the Herodean Dynasty as the seventh king from earthly Jerusalem.

So here are the facts:

1) First beast wound healed in 1948
2) lamb like two horned second beast (false prophet) gives life to the first beast and makes war against any people's that are a threat to him
3) what is left is the seventh king Satan to be resurrected to reign from the first beast as the earthly messiah according to the second coming doctrine.

The unholy trinity alliance is complete!
 
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Rev.13, the first beast is the whole antichristian power. The second beast is the whole antichristian propaganda in the whole world, ie, deceptive activity.

Would expound but been putting this forth for almost three decades and 99.99% rejected hence just giving a head's up in case in the truthful direction. Great thread.

Just ol' old out-dated Jack
 
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Friend God the Holy Spirit is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and as I stated earlier in the post that we must only rely on the Holy Ghost to interpret the written word. In so doing there is not doubt that there will be the exact same revelation from many servants of Christ throughout the past decades.

As servants of The Lord we have faced rejection yesterday and today, but assuredly the seed is being firmly planted in the minds and hearts of men and women alike and darkness can no longer sustain darkness as its refuge, for the light of The Lord is now shining in the darkest places of men's and women's minds and hearts and calling them out of captivity.

You see the king of this world Satan has blinded the people of this world and has been keeping them in his prisons of the mind and heart until the sovereign Lord will shine his light in a way, time, place which is strategic according to his doing.

God will make the seed that has already been planted to grow when the fullness of time comes and events start to unfold that will either free or break the prisoners of the king of this world. At the heights of Satan's kingdom and power he has become more vulnerable to the declaration BABYLON HAS FALLEN FALLEN,

Refer to post 21 on the following link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7766093-3/

Isaiah 14:1-27

1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land (ABRAHAM's HEAVENLY COUNTRY NEW JERUSALEM): and the strangers (GENTILE BELIEVERS) shall be joined with them (TAKE PART IN THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD), and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. 2 And the people (RESURRECTED ANGELIC HOST OF HEAVEN) shall take them, and bring them to their place (HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM): and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD (WEDDING OF THE LAMB INVITE GUEST LIST) for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives (FREE THE PRISONERS OF SATAN), whose (SATAN'S) captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors (EARTHLY SERVANTS OF SATAN).

Triumphant Exultation over Babel

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve (HAVE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION),

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon (SATAN), and say, How hath the oppressor ceased (KILLED)! the golden city ceased (DESTROYED FOREVER)!

5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He (SATAN) who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke (WARS), he (SATAN) that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted (VICTIM OF HIS OWN GAME), and none hindereth (NO ONE COMES TO SAAN's RESCUE).

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet (ADAM ONE LIFE IS COMPLETELY KILLED OFF): they (THE RESURRECTED HOST OF HEAVEN) break forth into singing (THE WEDDING OF TH LAMB OF GOD HAS FINALLY COME AND THE WEDDING IS FULLY FURNISHED WITH GUESTS WHO HAD TAKEN PART IN THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD)

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou (SATAN) art laid down (KILLED), no feller is come up against us.

9 Hell from beneath is moved (EXECUTION IS PREPARED) for thee to meet thee at thy coming (SECOND COMING DOCTRINE IS SATAN's COMING): it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth (EXECUTION IS FOR SATAN AND HIS EARTHLY CHIEFTAINS AT HIS SEDOND COMING); it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations (APPOINTED TIME FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION).

10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (SATAN IS INCARNATED IN FLESH AND HAS BECOME A MORTAL WEAKLING LIKE HIS HUMAN EARTHLY SERVANTS)

11 Thy (SATAN) pomp is brought down to the grave (SATAN's SECOND COMING POMP CEREMONY WILL NOT GO ACCORDING TO PLAN), and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. (HE IS ALLOWED TO COME IN THE FLESH INTO THE WORLD SO THAT HE WILL BE MORTIFIED AND KILLED OFF)

Note: It is evident that Christ's and only coming was in fulfilment of Old Testament coming as a servant who would be crucified for the sins of many. Yet the second coming doctrine that has POMP written all over it is 100% Satan's pomp and ceremony coming. (Phillipians 2:5-8, Isaiah 52:13-15)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: (NORTH IS WHERE CHRIST RULES IN HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM WITH THE RESURRECTED HOST OF HEAVEN THE WHITE ANGELIC CLOUD)

14 I (SATAN) will ascend above the heights of the clouds (THE RESURRECTED SAINTS) ; I will be like the most High. (SATAN WANTED TO BE LIKE CHRIST)

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; (SATAN BECOMES AN INCARNATED HUMAN WEAKLING TO BE SEE OF MEN AS THE PIP SWEAK LIAR THAT HE IS)

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (THESE ARE THE WORLDLY CAPTIVES OF THE MIND AND HEART THAT HE HAS BLINDED)

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. (EXECUTION IS PREPARED FOR SATAN AND HIS SERVANTS)

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch (SATAN IS TEMPORARILY RELEASED FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PITT PRISON AS THE IMCARNATED EIGHTH AND SEVENTH ESRTHLY KING), and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword (SATAN MUST REIGN AS THE SEVENTH EARTHLY KING IN HIS SECOND COMING BEFORE HE IS TO BE EXECUTED), that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. (THIS IS HIS END)

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. (SATAN HAS A SEPARATE EXECUTION GRAVE FOR HIS SOUL IN THE LAKE OF FIRE)

21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (THE TARES THAT SERVE HIM WILL BE PREPARED FOR TOTAL DESTRUCTION)

22 For I (CHRIST) will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts (CHRIST KING OF JUDAH), and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. (BABYLON HAS FALLEN FALLEN) 23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. (GOD's vials of cosmic judgements are poured without mixture into the inhabitants of earth to make a quick riddance of man and beast)

God's Purpose against the Assyrian

24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: 25 That I will break the Assyrian (SATAN) in my land, and upon my mountains (HEAVENLY ANGELIC HOSTS) tread him under foot: then shall his yoke (INTIMIDATION) depart from off them (THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST), and his burden (PERSECUTION) depart from off their shoulders. (THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST) 26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand (GOD's HAND OF JUDGEMENT) that is stretched out upon all the nations. 27 For the LORD of hosts (CHRIST) hath purposed (PLANNED IT FOR AN APPOINTED TIME), and who shall disannul it? and his hand (GOD's HAND OF PUNISHMENT) is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

THUS SAYS THE LORD:

HEZEKIAH GO AND KILL THE ASSYRIAN

HEZEKIAH king of Judah is symbol of the Christ and the Assyrian is the symbol of the king of this world Satan.
 
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If we are to discern the times thatvwe are living in today, we must only rely on the Holy Ghost to reveal the truth of the written word. So from the perspective of our Holy God we first must identity the first beast that existed during John's time, remembering that John who was exiled on a Roman Penal Colony on the Island of Patmos needed to encrypt much of what he witnessed by symbolism so that his testimony would not be discovered and then destroyed.

We will start of by first revealing the first beast that was and is not and yet will reemerge from the bottomless Pitt to persecute the end day Apostolic Church.

This first beast was given power by the red dragon who persecuted the pregnant women symbolizing the 1st Centiry Apostolic Church that was ready to deliver the gospel of the Son Jesus Christ. The red dragon used his earthly beastly powers to perpetrate a flood of enemies that would persecute the 1 st century church and chase the witnesses who had the testimony of Jesus from city to city.

We also have the mother harlot which is a symbol of the false faith who became desolate without a husband who managed alongside the fist beast to ride him in a joint venture to capture and kill those who had the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Added to these points is the identification of the first beast as one who had six successive kings of which five have died and one is currently alive.

From all the above interpretation of the symbolism used in Revelation of John, we can establish that the main threat to the 1st Century Apostolic Church in what is called the great tribulations is when it started with Herod the Great who satan the dragon used to try to kill Jesus by the killing of all children's two years and under. The. We see four other successive earthly kings that reign from the first beast who also die and one is left, who is the sixth king, king Agrippa II.

Now we can see that the Herodean Dynasty ruled the first beast up to the sixth king, king Agrippa II before the first beast was given the mortal head wound in 70AD and the mother harlot the LEVITICAL system was burnt down along with the first beast in the battle of Armageddon. Hence John encrypts this first beast and LEVITICAL husband less without Christ mother harlot by showing how she rides the first beast in persecuting the 1st century Apostolic Church in the church's great tribulation to spread the gospel of the Son under extreme persecution.

Now that we have identified the first beast and the husband less without Christ mother harlot, we come back to the prophesy of John, who witnesses the destruction of the first beast with the mother harlot in the battle of Armageddon in 70AD. That is why John would say the beast that was (before 70AD) and is not (70AD destruction of Jerusalem) and will yet be again at a future appointed time.

We now are living in the generation where the first beast who had the mortal head wound back in 70AD, his head wound had been healed in 1948 owing to the efforts of the second lamb like beast who gives life to the image of the first beast.

Who might the second beast be, who emerges out of the earth, meaning from a new discovered nation. Who is that new discovered nation and who is like the lamb. To answer these questions we must understand that the identifier of being lamb like is an outward appearance of Christlike meaning being labelled as Christians. This lamb like second beast has according to one of its power based horns an outward Christian identification. However its other horn is its earthly political power base where it speaks out like a dragon by causing fire (WAR) to come down on the enemies of the first beast that it gives life to.

Now we can finally understand that the two horned second beast who has an outward Christ like appeal operates from the new earthly discovered nation calling itself the United States of America. Therefore this second beast is revealed as CHRISTIAN ZIONISM. If you consider the two power bases horns where the name in itself identifies it as CHRISTIAN (1st power based horn) ZIONISM (2nd political based horn).

So there you have it the two horned lamb like second beast is CHRISTIAN ZIONISM, who gives life to the first beast who had a deadly wound back in 70AD and was healed in 1948 as the nation calling itself Israel.

We now can study that all the wars that American has been involved in is in securing the first beast. The current push by the second beast who is CHRISTIAN ZIONISM is to go to war against Syria, Iran and Russia in securing the first beast power base calling itself earthly Israel. Israel's involvement in the syrian conflict places it as the first beast party alongside the second beast Christian Zionism who now has his sight using the United States of American to bring down WAR (FIRE) upon Syria who posses a threat to the first beast.

If you read the versus in Revelation of John below you will discern that there has not been the UNHOLY TRINITY OF THE DRAGON, FIRST BEAST AND SECOND BEAST AS THE LAMB LIKE FALSE PROPHET since the mortal head wound back in 70AD where the first beast was the Herodean Dynasty and the second beast false prophet was the LEVITICAL Sanhedrin religious power base. Today we are seeing the unholy trinity in action in the Middle East in drawing all the world into a conflict.



You can discern from the versus of Revelation below that the UNHOLY TRINITY ALLIANCE has been fully established and these three players Satan, earthly Israel and Christian Zionism is SYMBOLIZED as three unclean spirits of devils that go out to deceive the whole world into bringing it on the brink of catastrophic world war that will draw all the earthly kings into conflict from both sides of the fence and move towards the great day of God almighty to infuriate him to being catastrophe upon this UNHOLY TRINITY ALLIANCE.



What conclusion I can make from this evil trio is that God Almighty is said to intervene by the pouring out of the judgement vials.

It is therefore apparent that at a certain point that Satan will incarnate himself as did Christ in his fest and only coming to try and deceive the world into a false peace and in accepting him as the earthly messiah who comes to the rescue of the earthly nation Israel. The false SECOND COMING earthly doctrine is there to prepare the world to accept the beast of the bottomless Pitt who is also the abomination that maketh desolate and the wicked son of perdition who tries to take the place of Christ on earth and in his endeavour will end up martyring the true witnesses of Christ in a world wide Calvary. After this point God is set to destroy Satan who has manifested himself in flesh and also those who took part in the whole sake slaughter of Christ's apostolic church.

We can further establish from the versus below that the world wide Calvary perpetrated by the unholy trinity alliance will be complete when Christians around the world are slaughter left, right and centre who would not bow their knees before Satan who posses as the earthly Christ. That is why we see the whole world being SYMBOLIZED as Sodom (lawless) and Egypt (idolatry) in their worship of the mother of all living idols Satan as the Abomination that Maketh desolate. We note that the world wide Calvary is evident in describing the sanctioning of the annihilation of Christians from every tongue and nation to parade the dead bodies of the anhiliated true apostolic church.



Then after the removal of the church, we have God come out of his place in it rage of anger with fury in his eyes to destroy all life on earth by a great and terrible earthquake that sees the whole solar system in disarray.

The remaining saints who survive the world wide Calvary are whisked away by angels of The Lord to the last fortified mountain of God where the last battle will be fought that is depicted in Joel 2:1-12. This is where God who is said to be the Battle Bow and the Ancient of Days will make war by sanctioning his Elijah in the army that he gathers before the brilliant light of the real Christ comes and obliterates the whole earthly realm and translates the remaining end of harvest saints SYMBOLIZED as the last good wine up to the ark of safety New Jerusalem in the timeless angelic heavenly realm.

GO FISH! :cool:
 
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THUS SAYS THE LORD:

HEZEKIAH GO AND KILL THE ASSYRIAN

HEZEKIAH king of Judah is symbol of the Christ and the Assyrian is the symbol of the king of this world Satan.

Where did this come from?

The rest of this thread is nonsense interpretations of scripture. But not even one scripture says this.
 
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The key of worldly intellectuality you are using to interpret the Holy Bible and the word of the Lord is the wrong key. Can you use your car keys to unlock your phone?

Wrong keys you are using friend, no offence but I say it in a loving way so that you can see that your biblical interpretations are tied to earthly agendas. You are using a worldly key to try and open a heavenly and spiritual prophesy that you can NOT use.
 
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No Islam is not the "beast" himself .... here is he is [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13;1-4; 17:8-18]

But the core of his followers will be the adherents of Islam [the Bible prophets are all focused upon the Middle East, past and future .... not the western nations

There are 2.8 billion Muslims on the planet now and growing .... and not just in the Middle East

.... Europe is being inundated by the same

All about the EU, GDP, etc will be brought to ruin by the coming Islamic "Mahdi" [same as the biblical "antichrist"] .... the first beast of Revelation who will rise in the northern Middle East [Daniel 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 17:8-18; 18:1-21]

Keeping watching the current changing in the Middle East today with Israel in the midst of the nation's enemies .... the Lord is pointing to the place where He will soon intervene

This coming beast is not human and He has ruled over the human Middle Eastern kingdoms there for Satan in the ancient past .... and when he comes it will be Islam's coming "Mahdi" who will be his human instrument of manifestation
 
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Rev.13:1, etc., ie, the 1st beast signifies the whole antichristian power, and the 2nd beast, 13:11, etc., signifies much more and that is the great agent and tool of the 1st beast. = the whole antichristian propaganda in the whole world, ie, "deceptive activity" as one sees in the churches today. Both of these beasts are personifications of course.

All the former will have to be viewed as fallacious to insane, and have to confess that I have been lol sinfully at you folks instead of with - just in case there is a chance in a million that the inference is true, ie, confessing sin. Just ol' old trying not to lol so much Jack
 
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"Islam is irrelevant, it's a non-issue. Rather, it is what USA, Europe and China decide to do about taking their oil"


Who told you this?

.... this is just and idea .... no scriptural support whatsoever

The struggle over the Middle East is much older than the Roman incursions of 70 AD and is still going on today

And this struggle is not about oil .... it is about the offset between Abraham's offspring Isaac/Jacob vs Ishmael/Esau .... oil or no oil

Do you view today's news reporting?

Take a look and then return to the Bible and compare .... study yourself approved

Nero?

I don' think so .... this dude is dead

And tell me about this beast [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8-14]

What do the scriptures say about him

Nero? .... not a chance

Do you know that the Roman Empire is not even included in the prophetic scriptures?
 
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Rev.13:11, "..another wild beast....had two horns like a lamb,..." This "beast" also comes up from below, its origin is mundane. This wild beast has an innocent, harmless appearance as is obvious. It has two little horny protuberances on its head, and is like a young, playful male lamb that one might love and keep as a pet.

It's not at all like the other wild beast which appears as a monstrosity with its many heads and many horns, and etc. But despite its lamb like little horns, this second beast kept speaking "as a dragon," as the awful brute which gives Satan his name in chapter 12.

"Like to a lamb" and "as a dragon" state the resemblances in a general though decidedly unmistakable way since we know that Christ is the Lamb of God and that Satan is the dragon out of the abyss of hell.

My end point: This second beast = the whole antichristian propaganda in the whole world. Both beasts are personifications, the one of the ferocious power, the other of the deceptive activity or propaganda.. The latter operates like wolves in sheep's clothing (Matt.7:15).

btw only have to back up chapter 13 - 4 chapters = Rev. chapter 9 and understand in Truth, then one doesn't have to go to hell, ie, thinking were going to end in heaven. No will do this in today's time, but my conscious is clear. Just ol old Jack
 
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The wild beast in Rev. 13.11 comes from the earth. Earth represents Israel, whereas the sea represents the nations. Nero came out of Rome, whereas Judas came out of earthly Israel.

That formula doesn't work for the four beasts in Daniel 7. They come out of the water, but in the explanation are said to come out of the earth.

When coming out of the water, it means that the beast can be both a kingdom and a man, evident in Revelation 13 by the first beast. When coming out of the earth, it means that the beast is only a man, evident by the second beast in Revelation 13.

I do think that the second beast will come out of Israel. And that the first beast will come out of the nations. But not for the reasons you gave.

The abyss is not in hell. Nobody is in hell yet. Demons reside in the abyss. Nero when he is resurrected as the Antichrist is resurrected from the abyss. Abyss will be throne into hell one day along with Satan, the 1st beast and the 2nd beast and all those unsaved.
Sure people are in hell. Hell is the place of the unsaved dead, some in torment and some in comfort, two sides as in the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Nobody is in the lake of fire yet. Hell and death will be thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14.


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Nobody is in comfort in Hell. There would be no comfort there at all, not for Antichrist or anyone. Hell is the Lake of Fire. You can't throw Hell into itself, but you can throw Hades the place of dead into Hell because at that point nobody ever dies again. Read Rev. 20.14.
Christians go to heaven when they die to be with the Lord, not hades.

Hell is hades. Hell is not the lake of fire. Hell (hades) gives up it dead at the end of the millennium, who will be judged at the great white throne judgment. I am the one who referred to Revelation 20:14 to you; you should be the one who reads it and the preceding verses.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
When contrasting the sea and the earth it is always in reference to earthly Israel. I don't think that impedes upon Dan. 7 since no contrast is being made there.
The first beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13, has the dual meaning of being both a man and a kingdom - just like the beasts in Daniel 7; and is connected directly to Daniel 7 by the compositie makeup of the beast in Revelation 13:2 of a leopard, bear, lion - which are the first three beasts of Daniel 7.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
 
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Briefly ....

Here is what to watch for if one has an interest

These things may be very near, or more time may lapse before the Lord will allow

The first beast is not human, but will have a human manifestation .... and this one will rule with 10 other associated kings in the Middle East; and these will overcome Israel and threaten the entire world for a short period of time

Neither is the false prophet human, but will manifest in two humans who will lead the cult religion of the first beast

My opinion is that the first beast will be the coming "Mahdi" that Islam looks for [same as the biblical "antichrist"]

This one's cult religion is already on the earth, but divided at this time .... this is going to change by melding of the divide of Shia and Sunni Muslims who will be represented by the two leaders of each who will enforce Islamic law and draw their followers to worship the first beast

I believe there is substantial scriptural support for this view
 
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Briefly ....

Here is what to watch for if one has an interest

These things may be very near, or more time may lapse before the Lord will allow

The first beast is not human, but will have a human manifestation .... and this one will rule with 10 other associated kings in the Middle East; and these will overcome Israel and threaten the entire world for a short period of time

Neither is the false prophet human, but will manifest in two humans who will lead the cult religion of the first beast

My opinion is that the first beast will be the coming "Mahdi" that Islam looks for [same as the biblical "antichrist"]

This one's cult religion is already on the earth, but divided at this time .... this is going to change by melding of the divide of Shia and Sunni Muslims who will be represented by the two leaders of each who will enforce Islamic law and draw their followers to worship the first beast

I believe there is substantial scriptural support for this view

Mahdi cannot be the Antichrist. The Antichrist will be worshipped in the 42 months final stage of his career.

Muslim don't worship the Mahdi, it is against their beliefs.

The theory that the Mahdi is the biblical Antichrist is coupled with the Muslim Isa (their version of Jesus) being the false prophet. However, the Muslim prophecies are that Isa doesn't show up until the Mahdi is engaged in battle with the dajjal (the Muslim antichrist). But there is no biblical person in the end times biblical prophecies to play the part of the dajjal.

The only part of the Mahdi theory that might be have a very small possibility is that their perceived Mahdi will be the Gog of Gog/Magog. But it is unlikely. The Muslim prophecies are just a bunch of made up stuff that will never come to pass even in the bizarro sense.

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The wild beast in Rev. 13.11 comes from the earth. Earth represents Israel, whereas the sea represents the nations. Nero came out of Rome, whereas Judas came out of earthly Israel.

These two horns, as was said, one is that of mischievousness said to be like a frog and the other is that of deceitful atrocious behavior. These are the attributes of these horns. Nothing playful, nothing young, no love and no innocence.

The abyss is not in hell. Nobody is in hell yet. Demons reside in the abyss. Nero when he is resurrected as the Antichrist is resurrected from the abyss. Abyss will be throne into hell one day along with Satan, the 1st beast and the 2nd beast and all those unsaved.

Neron Kaiser = 666 in Aramaic so there is no mistaking in Rev. 13.18 who the Antichrist is, Caesar Nero who will be resurrected by Satan who is given the keys to the pit to do so.

Just as the 7 horns of God are 7 spirits of the Holy Spirit being attributes so too are the horns in the 2nd beast.

Just as Jesus is a person, the Antichrist is a person who will reside in the 3rd Temple temporarily, and the 2nd beast Judas resurrected is a person who gives honor to the 1st beast. They wear sackcloth. This is what individuals do, not nations.

You don't have to go to Hell, just stop altering God's word when we are talking about individuals.

If I am altering the God's Word, ie, not only will I end in hell, but in the lower levels (Rev.22:18, 19). Thank you again for the head's up. Just ol' old Jack
 
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