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Tsemach Tzedek

Discussion in 'Controversial Theology (Christians only)' started by daq, May 17, 2012.

  1. daq

    daq HSN#1851

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    [SIZE=+1]Where is it written that Christ Yeshua would rise again the Third Day according to Tanak-Old Testament Scriptures? Search the libraries, search the sermons and the sermonettes, search the video and audio files, search in all the writings known as wisdom, search the internet high and low and see if you cannot find anywhere this question is adequately answered? I found that there are even some who use the following passage to discredit the Scripture. Perhaps not many understand that Paul gets this from Yeshua himself who reveals it in Parables:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]And the Third Day wherein Christ arose he states the same to his disciples:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 24:44-46 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]44. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]45. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]So then where is it written in the Torah of Moses, the Prophets, or Psalms?[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]1) In the beginning 'Elohiym created the heaven and the earth.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2) In the beginning 'Elohiym cut down the heaven and the earth.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]And both renderings of HSN#1254 bara' above are correct ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Genesis 1:1 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. In the beginning God created [HSN#1254 bara'] the heaven and the earth.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Joshua 17:15-18 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down [HSN#1254 bara'] for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And the children of Joseph said, The hill is not enough for us: and all the Canaanites that dwell in the land of the valley have chariots of iron, both they who are of Bethshean and her towns, and they who are of the valley of Jezreel.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And Joshua spake unto the house of Joseph, even to Ephraim and to Manasseh, saying, Thou art a great people, and hast great power: thou shalt not have one lot only:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]18. But the mountain shall be thine; for it is a wood, and thou shalt cut it down: [HSN#1254 bara'] and the outgoings of it shall be thine: for thou shalt drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots, and though they be strong.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #1254[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized bara'[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced baw-raw'[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood),[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]select, feed (as formative processes):[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Mark 4:30-32 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]30. And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]31. It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]32. But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]John 12:23-24 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]23. And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Matthew 13:31-32 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]31. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]32. Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Isaiah 45:6-8 (HSN#1254 bara' rendered as ''cut down'')[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. I form the light, and cut down darkness: I make peace, and cut down evil: I, YHWH, do all these things.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down tsedek-righteousness: let the earth open up, and let it bring forth the fruits of Yesha! and let tsdaqah-righteousness tsamach-sprout-shoots united; I YHWH did cut him down.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Isaiah 45:11-13 (HSN#1254 bara' rendered as ''cut down'')[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]11. Thus saith YHWH, the Holy One of Yisra'el and his Maker, Of things to come inquire ye concerning my sons? and concerning the work of my hands command ye me?[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. I have made the earth, and a man upon it cut down: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. I raised him up in tsdaqah-righteousness, and all his ways are straight: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith YHWH Tsabaoth.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Zechariah 3:8-9 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch [Tsemach].[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Zechariah 6:12 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; [Tsemach] and he shall tsamach-grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Enoch the prophet and scribe-notary speaks of the same Tsemach Tsdaqah ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Enoch and The Book of Giants[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Enoch 10:7-16[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, and announce his crime to Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgment and of their consummation, till the judgment that is for ever and ever is consummated.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]9. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]10. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]11. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the offspring of the Watchers, for they have tyrannized over mankind.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. Let every oppressor perish from the face of the earth;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. Let every evil work be destroyed;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. Let the plant of righteousness and of rectitude appear, and its produce become a blessing; Righteousness and rectitude shall be for ever planted with delight.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. And then shall all the saints give thanks, and live until they have begotten a thousand children, while the whole period of their youth, and their Sabbaths shall be completed in peace. In those days all the earth-soil shall be cultivated in righteousness; it shall be wholly planted with trees, and filled with benediction; every tree of delight shall be planted in it.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. In it shall vines be planted; and the vine which shall be planted in it shall yield fruit to satiety; every seed, which shall be sown in it, shall produce for one measure a thousand; and one measure of olives shall produce ten presses of oil.[/SIZE]

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    [SIZE=+1]Genesis 1:11-13 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 24:45-46 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]45. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Thus was the Lamb slain by oath before the foundation of the Kosmos order ~[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]For not until the fourth day were the sun, moon, stars, and lights commanded …

    Yea or Nay?
    [/SIZE] :)
     
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    daq HSN#1851

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    [SIZE=+1]Exodus 3:1-5[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of ha-'Elohiym, even to Horeb.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And the Mal'ak of YHWH appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a cnah-bush: and he looked, and, behold, the cnah-bush burned with fire, and the cnah-bush was not consumed.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why ha-cnah-bush is not burnt.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. And when YHWH saw that he turned aside to see, called unto him 'Elohiym out of the midst of ha-cnah-bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Exodus 25:31-40[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]31. And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of miqshah-hammered-beaten workmanship shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]32. And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]33. Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]34. And in the candlestick shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]35. And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]36. Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one miqshah-hammered-beaten workmanship of pure gold.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]37. And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]38. And the tongs thereof, and the snuffdishes thereof, shall be of pure gold.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]39. Of a talent of pure gold shall he make it, with all these vessels.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]40. And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]IS THE PATTERN OF THE MENORAH THE BURNING BUSH OF HOREB?[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Numbers 8:1-4[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. Speak unto Aaron and say unto him, When thou lightest the lamps, the seven lamps shall give light over against the candlestick.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And Aaron did so; he lighted the lamps thereof over against the candlestick, as YHWH commanded Moses.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. And this workmanship of the candlestick was of miqshah-hammered-beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was miqshah-hammered-beaten workmanship: according unto the pattern which YHWH had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]IF SO then the pattern is after the appearance of the Mal'ak-Messenger of YHWH ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Exodus 3:2[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And the Mal'ak of YHWH appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a cnah-bush: and he looked, and, behold, the cnah-bush burned with fire, and the cnah-bush was not consumed.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 10:5-6 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. His body also was like the Beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Revelation 1:12-18 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/SIZE]
     
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    daq HSN#1851

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    [size=+1]Where can it be proven from the Scripture that Michael the Arch-Messenger is a created being? Nowhere is Michael even called a mal'ak or ''messenger'' in the Hebrew although even John the Baptist is called such. The reason this is critical is because according to the Scripture Michael is the Sar- sariym, (Prince of princes) the Great Prince, the Great Commander, the Chief and the Head over the children of the people of Daniel. Yet so much of modern Christian teachings simply assumes that Michael was created even though there is absolutely no evidence given in the Scripture whatsoever. Daniel the prophet was of the tribe of Judah and Michael is stated to be the Great Prince over the children of the people of Daniel. If then the Head of Judah is Michael why would the Head of the body of the Great Congregation-Ekklesia not be the same Head? Yet from Revelation Ch.12 we clearly see that Michael has not been replaced and continues to serve in his priestly function as the Great Warrior Prince over the people of YHWH which keep the commandments and have the testimony of Yeshua. It becomes increasingly clear that Michael is Yeshua himself; and if this be true then he absolutely was NOT created. We must also remember that HSN#4397 mal'ak (Hebrew) means simply ''a messenger'' in many different applications including prophets, shepherds, and even pastors. The very same is true of the Greek word mostly translated as ''angels'' (GSN#0032 aggelos or angelos).

    Hosea 1:10-11 KJV
    10. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
    11. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.


    1) The Head of every man is Christ.
    2) The Head of Christ is the Father God.
    3) Which one then is Michael? seeing how he continues in Revelation 12 ??

    1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
    3. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

    Ephesians 1:18-23 KJV
    18. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
    19. And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
    20. Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
    21. Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
    22. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
    23. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

    Ephesians 4:15-16 KJV
    15. But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
    16. From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    Colossians 1:18 KJV
    18. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


    The same Head is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah:
    That Great Prince who stands watch over the people of Daniel ~

    Daniel 1:6-7 KJV
    6. Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah:
    7. Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego.

    Daniel 10:21 YGB (Young's Literal Bible)
    21. but I declare to thee that which is noted down in the Writing of Truth, and there is not one strengthening himself with me, concerning these, except Michael your head [HSN#8269 sar].

    Daniel 10:21 KJV
    21. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince [HSN#8269 sar].


    Original Strong's Ref. #8269
    Romanized sar
    Pronounced sar
    from HSN8323; a head person (of any rank or class):
    KJV--captain (that had rule), chief (captain), general, governor, keeper, lord, ([-task-])master, prince(-ipal), ruler, steward.

    Daniel 12:1 YGB (Young's Literal Bible)
    1. 'And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, [HSN#8269 sar] who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book.

    Daniel 12:1 KJV
    1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince [HSN#8269 sar] which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Daniel 12:1 TUA (Transliterated Unaccented Bible)
    1. Uwba`et hahiy', ya`mod Miyka'el, ha-sar ha-gad owl, ha`omed `al- bney `ameka. Whaytah `et tsarah, 'sherlo'- nihytah mihyowt gowy, `ad ha`et hahiy'. Uwba`ethahiy', yimaleT `amka -- kal- hanimtsa' katuwb baceper.


    Michael is ha-Sar ha-Gadol ~
    The Great Prince, Commander, and Head of my people:

    Daniel 8:10-11a
    10. And it waxed great, even to the tsaba'-host of heaven; and it cast down of the tsaba'-host and of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.
    11a. Even unto the Sar- ha-tsaba' he magnified …

    Daniel 8:25
    25. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Sar-Prince of sariym-princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    Luke 3:16 KJV
    16. John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

    Joshua 5:13-15
    13. And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
    14. And he said, Nay; but as Sar- tsaba'- YHWH am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith 'Adoniy unto his servant?
    15. And said the Sar- tsaba'- YHWH unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.


    And this One is called an 'Adam though he commands the messengers ~

    Daniel 10:16-18 KJV
    16. And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men [HSN#120 'adam] touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
    17. For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
    18. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, [HSN#120 'adam] and he strengthened me,

    Daniel 8:16 KJV
    16. And I heard a man's [HSN#120 'adam] voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.


    And who is the 'iysh-man-'ADAM between the banks and upon the Rivers?
    The same One is the Man clothed in linen who swears by Him that lives Eternal ~

    Daniel 12:5-7 KJV
    5. Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
    6. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
    7. And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


    The same One raises both hands blessing his disciples as he is received up into a cloud:

    Luke 24:50-51 KJV
    50. And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
    51. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

    Acts 1:9 KJV
    9. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


    The same One has a Rainbow upon his Head.
    The Sign of the Covenant to Noah and all flesh ~

    Revelation 10:1-3
    1. And I saw another mighty messenger come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
    2. And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
    3. And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.


    And when He roars the Seven Thunders utter their voices … :)
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    [size=+1]Most will agree that according to the Scripture Yeshua fulfills all of the necessary sacrificial offerings, according to the Law, which were necessary for the remission of our sins. This he accomplished in the single offering of his own self, pouring out his own soul unto death, (Isaiah 53:12) and by the giving of his body and flesh upon the cross, thus fulfilling the requirements of the commandments regarding animal sacrifices which animals could never have given true remission of sins in the first place but were a shadow of the goodness to come:

    Hebrews 10:4-18
    4. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
    5. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
    6. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    7. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
    8. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
    9. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
    10. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua Christou once for all.
    11. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    12. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    13. From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    14. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
    15. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
    16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    17. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    18. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


    If then, in the offering of himself, Yeshua fulfills all of the necessary sacrifices concerning our sanctification, the remission of sins, and ultimate redemption; how then is it possible that Yeshua fulfills the sacrificial Seven Lambs commanded in Torah:

    Numbers 28:11 KJV
    11. And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;


    In the beginning of every month: Seven Lambs of the first year without spot ~

    Numbers 28:16-19 KJV
    16. And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the Lord.
    17. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
    18. In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
    19. But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:


    In the first day of Unleavened: Seven Lambs of the first year without blemish ~

    Numbers 28:26-27 KJV
    26. Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the Lord, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:
    27. But ye shall offer the burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the Lord; two young bullocks, one ram, seven lambs of the first year;


    In the day of First Fruits Shavout-Pentecost: Seven Lambs of the first year ~

    Numbers 29:1-2 KJV
    1. And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
    2. And ye shall offer a burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the Lord; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year without blemish:


    In Rosh Hashanah-Trumpets: Seven Lambs of the first year without blemish ~

    Numbers 29:7-8 KJV
    7. And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein:
    8. But ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord for a sweet savour; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year; they shall be unto you without blemish:


    In Yom Kippur-Atonements: Seven Lambs of the first year without blemish!
    And WHERE is the first place in Torah the sacrificial Seven Lambs are commanded?

    First Fruits - Shavout - Pentecost - Leviticus 23 ~

    Leviticus 23:15-18 KJV
    15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
    16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
    17. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.
    18. And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the Lord, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the Lord.


    Once upon an anti-time, in a place outside of time, in old time, and from `owlam before time, there IS the Great King; and the Great King IS perfect. And the Great King has Seven Sons which also are perfect because the Great King himself IS perfect. The Seven Sons are therefore One with and in their Father, and the Seven Sons are One with and in each other each his brother; and Michael is the Commander. If therefore you sacrifice the One you then have sacrificed the Seven…

    Zechariah 3:8-9 KJV
    8. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
    9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.


    Upon the One Stone are Seven Eyes ~

    Revelation 1:16-20 KJV
    16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
    17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
    18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
    19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
    20. The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels [aggelos-messengers] of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.


    The Seven Stars are the Seven Spirits of the Theou ~

    Revelation 3:1 KJV
    1. And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and-even the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.


    The Seven Lamps before the Throne are the Seven Spirits of the Theou ~

    Revelation 4:5 KJV
    5. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.


    Seven Stars - Seven Horns - Seven Eyes - Seven Spirits of the Theou ~

    Revelation 5:6 KJV
    6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


    And the Seven Eyes are the Seven Lamps of Fire of the Menorah:
    THE SEVEN SPIRITS SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH
    And the Arche-messenger MIYKA'EL is in the MIDST ~

    ENOCH XX
    1. And these are the names of the holy mal'akiym who watch.
    2. Uriel, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; over the world and over Tartarus.
    3. Raphael, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; over the spirits of men.
    4. Raguel, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; taking vengeance on the world of luminaries.
    5. Michael, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; over the virtue of men, commands nations.
    6. Saraqâêl, one-united of the holy mal'akiym, over the spirits of the sons of men transgressing.
    7. Gabriel, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; over Ikisat, over Paradise, and over the Cherubim.
    8. Remiel, one-united of the holy mal'akiym; whom God set over those who rise.
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    [size=+1]Amos 5:7-8
    7. Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,
    8. Seek him that maketh the Seven Stars [HSN#3598 Kiymah] and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: YHWH is his name:


    Original Strong's Ref. #3598
    Romanized Kiymah
    Pronounced kee-maw'
    from the same as HSN3558; a cluster of stars, i.e. the Pleiades:
    KJV--Pleiades, seven stars.

    YHWH 'Elohiym made the Seven Stars of the Pleiades and WHY? Because that cluster of Seven Stars represent his Living Word who is the Son Yeshua. YHWH spoke (Word) and the Seven Stars constellation came into being THROUGH the Son who is the Word. Amos speaks only of the physical stars being created and NOT the Son whom the Seven Stars represent.

    Genesis 1:14-15 KJV
    14. And God said, [spoken Word] Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    Job 38:3-7
    3. Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
    4. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
    5. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
    6. Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
    7. When sounded out the morning stars united, [yachad] and shouted for joy all the Sons of 'Elohiym?

    Revelation 2:26-29
    26. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
    27. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    28. And I will give him the Morning Star.
    29. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


    And to the one that overcomes Yeshua gives himself: LIGHT and LIFE ~

    Revelation 22:16
    16. I Yeshua have sent my messenger to testify unto you these things in the ekklesiais-congregations. I am the Riza-Root and the Genos of David, the Lampros-Bright and Morning Star.
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    [size=+1]John 3:14-15
    14. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    Numbers 21:6-9
    6. And sent YHWH amongst the people ha-nachashiym-serpents ha-saraphiym-fiery, [HSN#8314 saraph] and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
    7. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against YHWH, and against thee; pray unto YHWH, that he take away ha-nachash-serpent from us! And Moses prayed for the people.
    8. And said YHWH unto Moses, Make thee a fiery-saraph, [HSN#8314 saraph] and set it upon a sign-pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
    9. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a sign-pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.


    Original Strong's Ref. #8314
    Romanized saraph
    Pronounced saw-rawf'
    from HSN8313; burning, i.e. (figuratively) poisonous (serpent);
    specifically, a saraph or symbolical creature (from their copper color):
    KJV--fiery (serpent), seraph.

    Isaiah 6:1-10
    1. In the year that king Uzziah died I saw the 'Adonay sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
    2. Seraphiym [HSN#8314 saraph] stood from above for him: Six wings, six wings to the one! with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
    3. And cried this to that, and said; Holy, holy, holy, YHWH Tsabaoth! The whole earth is full of his glory!
    4. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
    5. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, YHWH Tsabaoth!
    6. Then flew to me one of the Seraphiym, [HSN#8314 saraph] and in his hand a burning coal with tongs, taken from upon the altar:
    7. And he touched it upon my mouth, and said, Behold, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin atoned-covered-purged [HSN#3722 kaphar].
    8. And I heard the voice of 'Adonay, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
    9. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
    10. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

    John 12:36-41
    36. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Yeshua, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
    37. But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
    38. That the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    39. Therefore they could not believe, because again said Isaiah:
    40. He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
    41. These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake concerning him.

    John 17:3-5
    3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true Theon, and him whom thou didst send, Yeshua Christon.
    4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
    5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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    [SIZE=+1]The mal'ak-messenger 'iysh-man Gabriy'el ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 8:16-18 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]18. Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 9:21 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]21. Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man [HSN#376 'iysh] Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 10:5-9 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man [HSN#376 'iysh] clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. His body also was like the Beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]9. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]This one-'echad-united of the holy mal'akiym is surnamed Gabriy'el ~[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]And the Word of YHWH 'Elohiym dwells IN him:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 10:20-21 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]20. Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
    21. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
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    [SIZE=+1]Daniel 10:21 YGB (Young's Literal Bible)[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]21. but I declare to thee that which is noted down in the Writing of Truth, and there is not one strengthening himself with me, concerning these, except Michael your head.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]The mal'ak-messenger John Elias ha-Qowre' ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Matthew 13:43 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]43. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Revelation 1:13-18 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]This one-'echad-united of the holy mal'akiym is surnamed John Elias ha-Qowre' ~[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]And the Word of YHWH 'Elohiym dwells IN him:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]And the Father dwells IN his Word …[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]And the Word dwells IN his Father …[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]And Miyka'el ha-Sar ha-Gadol is the Word of YHWH 'Elohiym ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]John 1:14[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us; and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.[/SIZE]
     
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    This whole Thread is "SO RICH" and "SO DRENCHED" In The Living Waters, it's almost more than I can Comprehend. And I'm sure for most it will be.

    But for those who have ears, let them hear what The Spirit of Truth is Unveiling.
    All Praise, Honor, and Glory, be to The One who sits on The Throne.

    The Lord Bless you and Keep you, in The Presence of His Glory, my Dear Brother
    In Christ
     
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    [SIZE=+1]Peace-Shalom 2KnowHim! :)[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Where to start? If there is anything feel free to ask and if I know it, (or think that I do) then I will share from the Word. Ultimately most all of this derives from Torah: for example the Law states that the atonement sprinkling of the blood at Yom Kippur is to be sprinkled seven times with the Finger of the Priest for each separate atonement ceremony, (each ceremony is ''about the space of half an hour''). We also know that Yeshua is now the new Mediator of the Covenant, our High Priest by the order of Melchizedek who lives evermore to make intercession on the part of his brethren the saints, and that he also is the right arm of strength and Salvation of YHWH 'Elohiym the only Savior.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 11:20[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]20. But if I in the Finger of Theou cast out devils, no doubt has come upon you the kingdom of the Theou![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 16:12-13[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the Lord, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the vail:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Revelation 8:3-4 [The Vail is gone][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And an allos-different messenger came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up from the hand of the messenger before the Theou.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 16:14-16[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]The Seven Fingers are One ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Revelation 15:1-8[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven messengers having the seven last strokes; for in them is filled up the thumos-passion-fury of the Theou.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of the Theou.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of the Theou, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord the Theos Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of nations![/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: [the same is the tabernacle of the mow`ed-meeting-place-congregation][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. And the seven messengers came out of the temple, having the seven strokes, arrayed with precious stone, pure and bright, and girt about their breasts with golden girdles.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. And one of the four living creatures gave unto the seven messengers seven golden bowls full of the thumos-passion-fury of the Theou, who liveth for ever and ever.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of the Theou, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven strokes of the seven messengers were fulfilled.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 16:17[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Whether in the body, or whether out of the body, I know not; YHWH knoweth! But I do know that seven pa`am-strokes passed over me; and no more a prophet am I, but a tiller of the soil am I, for the Son of Man purchased me from my youth![/SIZE]
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    Thank you so much for these Beautiful words of Life.

    How anyone cannot see, by this that The Book of Revelation is an inward working, of the
    old and the new, together as ONE, first "in" our Lord, and now "within" His people, still baffles me. Each one of us, have our appointed time by The Father, for All of these things to be made manifest.

    This is Life, This is OUR Redemption, and is The working of our Lord in us, through us, and to us. It isn't about a future time or Advent, worldwide, per-say, But an individual manifestation and cleansing, a killing and a making alive, Within us.

    Until we All go through this, the man of sin, the son of perishing, the old man still lives, even though he was wounded, nevertheless he lives in most today, there will be divisions, with us.

    I have always wondered about the "space of an half hour" thing. Thank you for bringing that out. Could this be when, we are experiencing, "within ourselves" no answers? No word, no directions from the Lord when we are needing it so desperately? And what we don't realize is there is a Ceremony going on in The heavens on our behalf? And this is when our Saviour is interceding on our behalf? And this is a time to be still, and wait, and see The Glory of The Lord?
     
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    Whether in the body, or whether out of the body, I know not; YHWH knoweth! But I do know that seven pa`am-strokes passed over me; and no more a prophet am I, but a tiller of the soil am I, for the Son of Man purchased me from my youth! (End Quote).

    Agreed, until this takes place with each of us, there is nothing but confusion, and you cannot till, or plant, in Chaos. There can be none of this until you "KNOW" that you are bought with a price, and you are not your own.
    Ahh...That we could All come to the place where we can say with Paul, it is no longer I who live, but Christ in me.

    This is a third Heaven Level, of understanding, And it is Glorious, "NO MAN" NO Flesh is in
    This Place.
     
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    [SIZE=+1]Amen-Selah :)[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Patient endurance and faith of the saints unto the End, (and He is not slack concerning the Promise). One of the most difficult concepts to wrap our thoughts around, (especially eschatology students) is the fact that the hour of trial and the great Day of Atonement comes to each in his own appointed times. This is difficult to grasp because we all tend to have ingrained in us a 'herd-like' mentality which causes us to perceive the 'end of the age' as happing all at once, and to all at the same moment in time, and all across the entire globe of planet earth together. This 'herd-like' mentality is prevalent in most all of us because we are indeed pictured as a flock of sheep belonging to the Great Shepherd King. However, what does the Shepherd say concerning the process of weeding out among his flock? It is always that the one goes astray and not all one hundred at the same time:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Matthew 18:12-13 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Why does he say that the stray sheep went into the mountains? What do the mountains and caves represent? There are good mountains, (i.e. Mt. Zion, Jerusalem of above, Mt. Horeb) and there are also bad or evil-ponerous mountains, (seven nations greater and mightier than the children of Israel, Deuteronomy 7:1). The story of the possessed Girgashite man of the Gergasenos-Gadarenos helps to explain the symbolism of the evil mountains, caves, and tombs:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Mark 5:1-5 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]The same is true of the Parable of the Pounds. When the Master returns from afar, having received the Kingdom, each one is then called up individually in his own appointed times, (the Bema Seat of Yeshua Christou) to give account of what things he has done with the property which was entrusted to him by the Master of the house when he left. The Parable of Luke 19 specifically states that this was given because they thought that the Kingdom of God should immediately appear in full richness and wealth; yet the Parable explains that the Kingdom of God does not come all at once in the fullness of its richness, nor does it come with the evidence of ocular-visual observation, (according to the eyes of the flesh) as previously stated in Luke 17:20-21.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 17:20-21 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [GSN#3907 parateresis][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #3907[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized parateresis[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced par-at-ay'-ray-sis[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]from GSN3906; inspection, i.e. ocular evidence:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--obervation.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]In the Parable of Luke 19 the Nobleman can be none other than Christ Yeshua himself. It is only Christ who went to receive the Kingdom and promised to return. Yet those of the passage thought that the Kingdom of God would appear instantaneously, all at once in full wealth and in full riches, and this is the very reason for the giving of the Parable, (because they were mistaken). It is abundantly clear from this Parable that, just as all of the Gospel is personal to each and every individual believer; so also is the appointed time in which each one will appear before the judgment seat of Yeshua Christou the judge of the quickened and the double dead of Jude 1:12. Thus, it is not an 'all at once' judgment seat but is rather to each one in his own appointed times; and those appointments are the times appointed of the Father, which no man knows, but the Father only. The Parable very clearly speaks of the RETURN of Christ and the calling up of his servants; one at a time, each in his own appointed times:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 19:11 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]11. And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately [GSN#3916 parachrema] appear.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]The Greek 'parachrema' implies that the people to whom this Parable is directed are those who think that the Kingdom of God should immediately appear in its entirety and IN FULL RICHNESS OR WEALTH.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #3916[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized parachrema[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced par-akh-ray'-mah[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]from GSN3844 and GSN5536 (in its original sense); at the thing itself, i.e. instantly:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--forthwith, immediately, presently, straightway, soon.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5536[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized chrema[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced khray'-mah[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]something useful or needed, i.e. wealth, price:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--money, riches.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 19:11-20 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]11. And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear [in full richness-wealth].[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]12. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]13. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]14. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]15. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]18. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]19. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]20. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Therefore everything that the Apostles wrote about in the Epistles of Peter, James, Paul, and the others; admonishing the believers to have the patient endurance and faith of the saints: all of it applied to the ones to whom it was written and ALSO applies to every believer unto this day, for the last two thousand years, and forward. Every man or woman has TWO AIONOS-AGES in his or her lifetime; and those who enter into the next age are neither male nor female but like the messengers of heaven.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]And every believer must appear before the Bematos tou Christou …[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]But each in his own appointed times; the times appointed of the Father …[/SIZE] :)
     
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    [SIZE=+1]YOU are a tabernacle of the congregation ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]The 'Holy Holies' was atoned when Yeshua cried 'IT IS FINISHED!' and the vail was rent:[/SIZE]

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    [SIZE=+1]However, the secondary sanctuary-holy-place is the secondary portion of the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony, (Numbers 1:50-53, Revelation 15:5) which is very the same tabernacle of the congregation spoken of in Leviticus 16:16 and many other places. The same tabernacle of the congregation is that which remains with the children of Israel in the midst of our uncleanness:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Numbers 1:50-53 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]50. But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it: they shall bear the tabernacle, and all the vessels thereof; and they shall minister unto it, and shall encamp round about the tabernacle.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]51. And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]52. And the children of Israel shall pitch their tents, every man by his own camp, and every man by his own standard, throughout their hosts.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]53. But the Levites shall pitch round about the tabernacle of testimony, that there be no wrath upon the congregation of the children of Israel: and the Levites shall keep the charge of the tabernacle of testimony.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 16:16 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]16. And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Therefore the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony is YOUR HOUSE, or TENT, and there is still to come that great Day of Atonement, for each one individually; each in his or her own appointed times which may now happen at any given moment in time and no more only at Yom Kippur because the High Priest is now outside of our time domain constraints. And when that great Day comes then the remainder of the Sanctuary is atoned by the Great High Priest Yeshua with his own thumos-passion-fury-blood.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]However, there is a slight problem for us as mere mortals: NO ONE is allowed inside his tabernacle, tent, or house, when it is to be atoned. Therefore pray always that you may be found worthy to stand before the Son of Man in that great Day, (upon a transparent Sea of glass having been mingled with baptismal fire) for this is the greatest affliction of the soul which ever was, or ever shall be, according to the Scripture. Therefore the children of Israel are commanded to practice and to rehearse afflicting our own souls in this great Day of Atonement, (10 Tishri) as no other day mentioned in Torah; for it is the greatest tribulation which ever shall be, (because YOU must be removed from your house before it can be cleansed). And at this time you will be surrounded in the high places of the field; Remember Lot's wife, there can be no turning back in that great Day: But if any man draw back, 'My soul shall have no pleasure in him' saith the Lord, and they are become twice dead castaways, (for they did not overcome in their appointed times).[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Revelation 15:8 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 16:17 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]17. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Leviticus 14:33-36 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]33. And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]34. When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]35. And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]36. Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Each of us is an occupant in a house not our own …[/SIZE] :)
     
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    2KnowHim Dying to Live

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    Wow, Wow, I knew it!
    (Quote)
    However, there is a slight problem for us as mere mortals: NO ONE is allowed inside his tabernacle, tent, or house, when it is to be atoned. Therefore pray always that you may be found worthy to stand before the Son of Man in that great Day, (upon a transparent Sea of glass having been mingled with baptismal fire) for this is the greatest affliction of the soul which ever was, or ever shall be, according to the Scripture. Therefore the children of Israel are commanded to practice and to rehearse afflicting our own souls in this great Day of Atonement, (10 Tishri) as no other day mentioned in Torah; for it is the greatest tribulation which ever shall be, (because YOU must be removed from your house before it can be cleansed). And after this there is no more sacrifice for those who willfully sin: Remember Lot's wife; there can be no turning back from that Day forward. Those who do are twice dead castaways, (for they did not overcome in their appointed time). (End Quote)

    I thought that this is what I was seeing, but never heard it explained quite like this.
    This is Awesome. To have the understanding of What, and where we are, In Him, and what's taking place, is a gift from God, no doubt, we are extremely Blessed in deed.

    I love the way you bring these things into the Light, I am in Awe.
    I do believe that I have experienced this but I don't feel free to talk about it in this place. It is a very "personal" thing, and a very individual thing, as you say.

    I appreciate you taking the time to share with us your understanding, their are more here with me, than just me, in this I rejoice Greatly.
    There are a lot of things that I must take before Him, to make sure that what I am seeing is in deed what has happened, but, I've got a feeling I know the answer.
    If I'm right then His coming, is not at all what people think, in fact it is a very DARK PLACE for a period of Time. It is a Gethsemane thing, it is a pouring out of the soul unto Death.

    Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
    Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
    Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
    Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
    Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
    Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
    Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
    Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

    Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?


    What I find so amazing is, it's not about doctrine and rules and written commandments.....But we must Live experientially The Word, before we can understand it, it/He must become our Life, so we Live "Really Live" in and by Him. I hope that conveys what I'm trying to say.
    We must become Living Epistles.
     
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    2KnowHim Dying to Live

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    You also mentioned the Crystal sea of Glass.

    I have seen glimpses of it's reality, but would love to hear your understanding on it from the law.

    What I have seen, is that, those who are standing on it, give no "Shadow" of Death, they give no Reflection of it, because they are ONE with it. What I mean is.

    Water and Glass, gives no shadow, when Fire or lightning strikes the "sand" or "dust" (which we are) it turns to Glass, I believe the sea is a direct reference to the Molten Sea in the law. I'm not real sure if they were to wash, or the sacrifices were to be, but either would make sense of the Sea, spoken of in Rev.

    Those standing on the Sea, being transparent, gives the impression of those who have become One with the Living Waters, and The Fire, therefore the only Reflection is just that, they are a Reflection of Both.

    Am I close?:prayer:
     
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    [size=+1]Was there a war in heaven? Was there a soul in jeopardy in the high places of the field? Was there a soul faithful unto death? What shall a man give in exchange for his soul? The soul that is faithful unto death shall receive a crown of life from the Master according to his Word; and those who overcome shall not be hurt out from the second death. That soul and the King know the truth between them because it is personal. :)

    Judges 5:12-21
    12. Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam.
    13. Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: YHWH made me have dominion over the mighty.
    14. Out of Ephraim came down a root of them in `Amalek after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer.
    15. And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; even Issachar, and also Barak: he was sent on foot into the valley. For the divisions of Reuben there were great thoughts of heart.
    16. Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart.
    17. Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches.
    18. Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.
    19. The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.
    20. They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
    21. The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down `Oz!

    Jeremiah 4:19-27
    19. My bowels, my bowels! [Numbers 5] I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
    20. Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
    21. `Ad- matay 'er'eh- nec 'eshm`ah qowl showpar? Until when shall I see the sign, and call together the voice of the shofar?
    22. For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
    23. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was tohuw, and bohuw; and the heavens, even they had no light.
    24. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
    25. I beheld, and, lo, the man was not, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
    26. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a desert-wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of YHWH, and by his fierce anger.
    27. For thus hath YHWH said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
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    Boy, you have such a gift for bringing out the exact scriptures, to describe something, that I'm Not at liberty to talk about, LOL. I have a dear brother in Christ who has that same unique gift, and knows how to comfort, and edify by speaking this way to my heart. I am absolutely drawn to the Unity that happens by this.

    War in Heaven, you asked?
    Yes, major earthquakes, yes, things shifting, and high places being overthrown.

    (Quote)
    it was tohuw, and bohuw;

    You betcha! The one standing where it shouldn't have been, had to be overthrown, so that The King of Glory could take His rightful place, within me, within His kingdom. Now I am seated with Him.

    The dear Brother I was talking about should be along towards the end of the month.
    I can hardly wait for him to meet you too. I feel so privileged to have you both to share Christ in, I think I've died and went to Heaven, Oh wait! I did.:dead::papapa:
     
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    [SIZE=+1]Any dream or vision must comply with the Scripture. As soon as we begin to think that we have some new information not offered by the Scripture we are on shaky ground at best. If a dreamer of dreams comes, whispering in your ear in the night, you are likely in the process of being proven to see whether indeed you do love the Lord your God with all of your heart and with all of your soul.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Deuteronomy 13:13-4 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]When the Lord commands that we shall cleave unto him it is the same word used where Adam says that a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife. This is to leave father and mother, (supernal in meaning) and cleave away from them unto YHWH our 'Elohiym. These are of what things Yeshua speaks when he states that he is come to divide households; and for the same reason he told some of the Jews which believed on him that their father was the Devil even though he does admit to them that he knew their physical father was Abraham, (John 8). Thus these things again are supernal in meaning and the false prophet or dreamer of dreams has the same meaning as the filthy dreamers of Jude; which are SPIRITS and their DOCTRINES, which we are admonished to test, for they will come to the man or to the woman with enticing thoughts; wishing one into going out and serving other gods, (which are not gods). This is clear by the context which follows from the passage above:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Deuteronomy 13:5 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]It is not about killing physical people, or physical family members, but rather the ''inner voices'' which entice us from the inside; whisperers and murmurers, when our own lusts and desires tempt us to go away from YHWH and his Word. These tempters are personified as family members: like our own fathers, mothers, brothers, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, closest friends, associates of the soul, and inner confidants. Yet all of these are of the bosom; the inward parts of the heart and mind, the things we secretly love, like skeletons in the closet. The ''brother, son of your mother'' is the old man sin nature of YOURSELF! The husband or wife of your ''bosom'' is the husband or wife of your inward man; the closest friend or associate, which is like your own soul, is your inner anthropon-countenance twin. These ones will cause us to draw back and go astray from YHWH and his Word. Therefore we are commanded to put them to death:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Deuteronomy 13:6-9 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, [HSN#2436 cheyq] or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]9. But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #2436[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized cheyq[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced khake[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]or cheq {khake}; and chowq {khoke};[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]from an unused root, apparently meaning to inclose;[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]the bosom (literally or figuratively):[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--bosom, bottom, lap, midst, within.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]You shall be the FIRST to put that one to death! And why? Because that voice of evil is within you; in your own bosom in the midst of yourself: wherefore he says put away the sin from the midst of you, or from among you; it means first and foremost from the midst of YOURSELF and only after that does it mean also the midst of the whole congregation. This does not concern the killing of physical people; for ''Thou shalt not kill!'' but rather, as Yeshua interprets it; If thy own right power, (hand) offend you, CUT IT OFF and cast it from you![/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]With these things being said then, yes, the Molten Sea is for the priests to wash in:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]2 Chronicles 4:2-6 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And under it was the similitude of oxen, which did compass it round about: ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about. Two rows of oxen were cast, when it was cast.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. He made also ten lavers, and put five on the right hand, and five on the left, to wash in them: such things as they offered for the burnt offering they washed in them; but the sea was for the priests to wash in.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Brass is judgment and is fiery bronze or brazen in color, (especially when molten or fluid). Those who overcome will see indeed, with spiritual eyes, the Molten Sea of transparency like glass in the End. However, understand that the process begins when one is first thrown into the Sea; and as in all things Scripture, the metals are both for the good and for the evil. There is an iron which is ponerous and evil as portrayed in the ten toes of Daniel 2; which are iron, (spirit) mixed with potters clay, (the earthen vessel of the man) and as the Canaanites which had chariots of iron, (spirit) that the children of Israel were unable to drive out of the valleys, (spirit) because of the iron chariots of the Canaanites. In the song of Deborah and Barak we see that Jabin king of Canaan, and Sisera the captain of his host, had nine hundred chariots of iron. They were defeated only in the high places of the field, (the Stars fought from Heaven). Yet there is also the good iron: and the good iron ''swims'' when the Staff of the Good Shepherd, (Rod of Iron) passes over the baptismal waters of the Yardenah:[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]2 Kings 6:1-6 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. And the sons of the prophets said unto Elisha, Behold now, the place where we dwell with thee is too strait for us.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. Let us go, we pray thee, unto Jordan, and take thence every man a beam, and let us make us a place there, where we may dwell. And he answered, Go ye.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. And one said, Be content, I pray thee, and go with thy servants. And he answered, I will go.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. So he went with them. And when they came to Jordan, they cut down wood.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]To ''swim'' in water is akin to running on land and likewise to fly or ''to flit'' in the air ~[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Luke 21:34-36 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]34. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]35. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape [GSN#1628 ekpheugo] all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #1628[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized ekpheugo[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced ek-fyoo'-go[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]from GSN1537 and GSN5343; to flee out:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--escape, flee.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5343[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized pheugo[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced fyoo'-go[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]a primary verb; to run away (literally or figuratively);[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]by implication, to shun; by analogy, to vanish:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--escape, flee (away).[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Pray that you may be found worthy to SWIM to the surface of the Jordan like the good iron axe-head which swims back to the surface and floats or walks upon the surface waters when the Staff of Mowshiya` passes over the Lake Gennesaret. Pray that you may be found worthy to FLEE through the Zechariah 14 valley of the mountains of YHWH and to finish the running the race at Beyth ha-'Atsel, (the House of the Side) wherein this Way leads. Pray that you may be found worthy to FLY upon Exodus 19:4-6 and Revelation 12 wings of a Great Eagle; and to stand before the Son of man: upon the Molten Sea of transparent crystal-glass having been mingled with baptismal fire, each in his or her own appointed times…[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Perhaps the best place to begin such a journey is to pray with and from a pure heart that you may begin to learn and to fully understand the song of Moses and the Lamb; insomuch that you do not appear before him naked in that great day. I pray also the Lord send you a son of peace to comfort you in the Way, (he will not glorify himself and we do not worship the messengers). :)[/SIZE]
     
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  18. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
     
  19. daq

    daq HSN#1851

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    [SIZE=+1]Which do you suppose Yeshua means by the Greek usage of the word ''KARDIA''? (or the Hebrew-Aramaic equivalent which may or may not have been originally spoken). Does he mean the center and heart of planet earth? Or does he perhaps make the more probable reference to the kardia-heart of the man, which is the same 'adamah-soil from which Adam was taken, and also the same fertile 'adamah-soil of the heart from the Parable of the Sower?[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Matthew 12:35-40 KJV[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart [GSN#2588 kardia] bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]38. Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart [GSN#2588 kardia] of the earth [GSN#1093 ge].[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #2588[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized kardia[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced kar-dee'-ah[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]elongated form from the primary kar (Latin, cor, ''heart''); the heart,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]i.e. (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--(+ broken-)heart(-ed).[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #1093[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized ge[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced ghay[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Jonah 2:1-10[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]1. Then Yonah prayed unto YHWH his 'Elohay out of the belly of the fish,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]2. And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto YHWH, and he heard me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and thou heardest my voice.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]3. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]4. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]5. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the thowm-abyss enclosed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]6. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from the pit, O YHWH my 'Elohay![/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]7. When my soul fainted within me I remembered YHWH: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]8. They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]9. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. [HSN#3444 yshuw`ah] Yeshua-Salvation [is] of the YHWH![/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]10. And YHWH spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Yonah upon the dry land.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #3444[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Romanized yshuw`ah[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]Pronounced yesh-oo'-aw[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]feminine passive participle of HSN3467; something saved,[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]i.e. (abstractly) deliverance; hence, aid, victory, prosperity:[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+1]KJV--deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=+1]Which one is it? Planet earth or the heart of the soil of the man?[/SIZE] :)
     
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  20. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    I think you will always run into trouble dissecting poetry with logic ... as for the scripture though, there seems little doubt that the body of Jesus lay in the tomb for three nights [unlike what sinners claim it obviously was not what we now call 'Friday, Jerusalem time' then] . As for the spirit we know it returned to God [or more accurately never left] :-

    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    I see nothing to gain by dissecting the words because they have to be pushed beyond their usual meaning to be used about the spirit... there are no words about the spirit because so few understand it.... so dissecting rather than looking for meaning is perhaps gonna lead one away from the Truth as often as it helps...
     
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