Oooh, the sax sends shivers down my spine. What a beautiful picture you paint, arty.artybloke said:I love the way these people think God has a plan. Personally, I've always thought of God as a Holy Saxaphone player, playing an eternal solo, making it up as he goes along.
Grooovy.
Any person who reads their Bible knows that God's has a plan for all of us. He has plans for us as individuals and He has plans for mankind in general.artybloke said:I love the way these people think God has a plan. Personally, I've always thought of God as a Holy Saxaphone player, playing an eternal solo, making it up as he goes along.
Grooovy.
On what do you base that assumption, kdet? I read my Bible and I don't know that God has a plan for me in the normal sense of the word. I know a lot of people who read their Bibles and don't think God has an exact plan for them or anyone else, and they are not necessarily liberal and they do know their Bibles well.kdet said:Any person who reads their Bible knows that God's has a plan for all of us. He has plans for us as individuals and He has plans for mankind in general.
Well, how can you NOT know God has a plan for you? The plan is to become more like Jesus every day. His plan for us is to grow and learn and to do His will daily.Treasure the Questions said:On what do you base that assumption, kdet? I read my Bible and I don't know that God has a plan for me in the normal sense of the word. I know a lot of people who read their Bibles and don't think God has an exact plan for them or anyone else, and they are not necessarily liberal and they do know their Bibles well.
I know some Christians believe God has a precise plan for everyone but that view isn't held by all Christians by a long chalk.
Karin
I agree that God wants us to become more like Jesus, but I wouldn't call it a plan as such. Some people seem to think God paints our lives with a colour by numbers set and speak of that as God's plan for our lives. I don't agree with that view.kdet said:Well, how can you NOT know God has a plan for you? The plan is to become more like Jesus every day. His plan for us is to grow and learn and to do His will daily.
Ephesians, 1:3-4.
Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavens, as he chose us in him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and without blemish before him.
I suggest reading "The Purpose Driven Life".Treasure the Questions said:On what do you base that assumption, kdet? I read my Bible and I don't know that God has a plan for me in the normal sense of the word. I know a lot of people who read their Bibles and don't think God has an exact plan for them or anyone else, and they are not necessarily liberal and they do know their Bibles well.
I know some Christians believe God has a precise plan for everyone but that view isn't held by all Christians by a long chalk.
Karin
Been there, done that. Found it rather trite and most unhelpful. Prefer Living on Purpose http://www.msainfo.org/ressubr.asp?sub=44&select=91&offset=6&review=139RadG said:I suggest reading "The Purpose Driven Life".
Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.I agree that God wants us to become more like Jesus, but I wouldn't call it a plan as such. Some people seem to think God paints our lives with a colour by numbers set and speak of that as God's plan for our lives. I don't agree with that view.
In the Bible it says 'plan'.
Like homosexuality, it is the rejection of God's plan for mankind.
homosexuality, it is the rejection of God's purpose/reason for mankind.
I agree that is exactly the point I am making. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Nor has it anything to do with being celibate by birth or bisexual or any other physical condition by birth. It is about Gods purpose or reason in creation for man and woman in faithful marriage It does what it says on the tinFirst of all, I don't think that Genesis 2 has anything to do with homosexuality
We can talk about whether we are born straight or gay from a medical or theological position if you wish but I am asking you to address what Jesus says about Genesis 2 and Gods reason for creating man and woman.Secondly, nobody who is homosexual rejects anything. You're born gay or straight, and you can't reject what you can't have.
Well if you read what Jesus says, some are born eunuchs but Gods purpose in creation was for man and woman to be united faithfully in marriage, some choose eunuch or celibate for Kingdom purposes regardless of how they are born. Jesus lays out the options and they found it hard teaching then; as we still do it seems with all the heterosexual promiscuity.Seems to me that if some people are born gay it's God's plan for some people to be gay. And all the evidence we have at the moment points to that.
How come? The Pharisees rejected what Jesus said and I am pointing out to you what Jesus said. Its what Jesus said that wont address, just like the Pharisees.And I utterly reject (and really think heretical) a literalistic and legalistic interpretation of scripture. That's Pharaisism, pure and simple.
There is a product, its called SURGERY and the AD campaign is the talk shows, psycho-therapists and pop culture.Treasure the Questions said:Apparently you can buy a similar product in the US to change you into a transexual if you so wish! It appears there is some sort of advertising campaign to promote it.
No it is not. This is pure, unadulterated eisegetic garbage.It is about Gods purpose or reason in creation for man and woman in faithful
We can talk about whether we are born straight or gay from a medical or theological position if you wish but I am asking you to address what Jesus says about Genesis 2 and Gods reason for creating man and woman.
Well if you read what Jesus says, some are born eunuchs but Gods purpose in creation was for man and woman to be united faithfully in marriage, some choose eunuch or celibate for Kingdom purposes regardless of how they are born.
What Pharasical reading? It was Jesus who affirms Gods purpose in creation. We are supposed to be followers and overcomers, not discontented people who change God's will and purpose according to how we feel.So if you're born with, say, homosexuality, you're supposed to pretend that your straight in order to conform to this Pharaiscal reading of the Bible?
No, you are supposed to not live a lie, but live in the truth of Jesus Christ and His ways. You seem to be saying that living for same-sex sex is the truth and what the scriptures say is a lie. That is surely like me saying because I have such strong urges to have sex with lots of women so adultery must be a lie.So you're supposed to live a lie for the rest of your life,
Where did he say this and tell us that we were free to ignore Gods reason in creation Matt 19, Mark 10, Genesis 2, Eph 5:31? Where did Paul tell us that we were free to have same-sex sex?so that you can satisfy some ancient Hebrew ritual shibboleth that Christ told us we were free to ignore?
Well maybe it is and maybe it isnt, but I dont see how we can say 'so what' if we are looking to try and please God .So maybe God's purpose is for everybody to be straight, so what anyway?
Any examples of where they did this? Not sure you are right there either. The Pharisees at the time of Jesus studied the scriptures and the law and the prophets diligently, they thought they were experts but Jesus told them they didnt know the scriptures or the power of God.The sign of a Pharisee is that he/she creates laws where there aren't any.
No, why do you suggest that? I want to obey Jesus as He fulfilled the law and the prophets.If you wish to keep the Levitical laws (all 613 of them) that's entirely up to you;
Absolutely, but the words of Christ and His New Testament disciples is what I am trying to debate with you.You are not my authority, Christ is.
Its just that I personally believe this is one of the main issue of deception during these present times.
Any examples of where they did this?
One could if one wished to find an excuse to tell other people how to live their lives. One could if one wished to be legalistic.One could therefore apply it to celibates and homosexuals and heterosexuals.
what the scriptures say
Absolutely, but the words of Christ and His New Testament disciples is what I am trying to debate with you.