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He's not willing to participate in any type of counseling.

:confused: Well how come he's having counselling without being willing to have counselling? You can't force someone to go and receive counselling; however much other people may be hurt/appalled/affected by someone else's behaviour, they will not change unless they want to change, and if they don't want to change then it doesn't matter who they talk to.

I do hope these reports are wrong. I don't understand how someone who, presumably, preached about repentance can refuse to repent. Surely he must know he has sinned, and knows enough about God's love and forgiveness to believe he can be forgiven? :( :sigh:
 
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He's not willing to participate in any type of counseling.

As it stated, he is unrepentant at the moment and will not turn back to God.

Only the Holy Spirit will be able to deal with him now, only if he has not been turned over to a hardened heart, which will make the process of turning back to God even harder on Todd because he refuses to see the truth.


Then the OP is in error? :confused:

Never mind. Just goes to show - none of us really knows even the bare facts here, let alone the man's heart, so how dare I speak?

Bye bye! :wave:
 
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I don't understand how someone who, presumably, preached about repentance can refuse to repent.

It's possible. I've been through it... yet God's Grace is sufficient for all who comes to His Well of Life and drinks the waters thereof...

As for the reports, I hope they are wrong as well. But from day one, I didn't feel that he was truly on fire for God. I discerned his intent, which was to be a "one man show." The devil can use Christians to do his will and drive them out of the arms of God if they choose to follow suit.

Only God knows Todd's heart, all we can do is pray.
 
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our battle should be with the evil powers-spirits which are trying to control Tod not with flesh and blood-Tod.

:thumbsup: I once heard someone say that when God uses someone to bring a great blessing, then they may also face great temptations as the devil will not like it and try to disrupt, or discredit, God's work.
 
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Then the OP is in error? :confused:

Never mind. Just goes to show - none of us really knows even the bare facts here, let alone the man's heart, so how dare I speak?

Bye bye! :wave:

We none can read another man's heart...

If I am wrong, then praise God!

Everyday we need to have more of a Spirit of Discernment... There are many wolves in sheep's clothing and false prophets.
 
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:thumbsup: I once heard someone say that when God uses someone to bring a great blessing, then they may also face great temptations as the devil will not like it and try to disrupt, or discredit, God's work.

Very valid point!

Whatever the issue, Todd is human and although I didn't quite believe his intents, only God knows the full truth.
 
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It's possible. I've been through it... yet God's Grace is sufficient for all who comes to His Well of Life and drinks the waters thereof...

:amen: (Not 'Amen' because you've been through it, but 'Amen' because God is gracious.)

The devil can use Christians to do his will and drive them out of the arms of God if they choose to follow suit.

But the devil doesn't want to bless people and help them find God , and Todd was leading a revival.
 
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The Holy Spirit will do amazing miracles through any believer who is available and ready to be filled and used.

:clap:

Totally correct, and it includes bringing transformation to those that He works through.
 
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But the devil doesn't want to bless people and help them find God , and Todd was leading a revival.

But let's not forget, the devil will sneak in at any given time to disrupt the process...

Also, the devil does have counterfeits for God's originals.
 
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Since this topic still brings up emotions, it is a good time to use it for planning. If we were to see the warning signs in our churches, what actions would we take? At what point would we confront lax standards, if at all? To what extent would we step in to help make things work toward God's glory?

This international series of services hit many believers hard. Some had invested time and money, prayer, and some invited friends to watch the services. To find out that harm might be caused through something we supported is both humbling and painful.

Each incident like this causes us to be more cautious. Less excited about what God is doing in churches. More wary of whether a person is "really of God" or not. When we get jaded, we put more limits on God and ourselves. We find it harder to settle into a fellowship.

http://www.freshfire.ca/?Id=1067&pid=8

Thanks for the link. The Fresh Fire leadership pointed out some things they would probably watch out for in the future:

1. As the Outpouring continued, the Board of Directors and other leaders in Lakeland suggested that Todd take a few days off each week to rest and refresh. We learned from experience, however, and the post-Lakeland counsel of Christian leaders, that the anointing can be addictive.

2. Significant personal issues in Todd’s life and make-up, as well as, flaws in the functioning structure of our leadership resulted in an impossible pace to maintain… seven nights a week for more than 15 weeks on end. We fully accept the responsibility as a Board of Directors for this lapse in judgment; we should have required that not just Todd and the team, but the entire Outpouring rest a minimum of one day a week.

3. As the pressure of leading the revival continued, media attention increased resulting in less and less personal time.

4. As fatigue began to set in, significant personal issues ...were exacerbated...With the development of more friction in his marriage relationship, Todd began to make irrational decisions.

5. The fact that the revival was .. three thousand miles from our home office... the entire administration for the revival was provided by a rotating stream of church leaders and Board members who would assist behind the scenes and on the platform for a few weeks at a time and then return to Canada, usually on the verge of total exhaustion.

6. Many early signs that something was drastically wrong were overlooked. By the time we became fully aware and/or were willing to admit how dysfunctional things had become behind the scenes, the damage had already been done.

7, Since then, many false accusations and rumors surrounding both Todd and the Lakeland Outpouring have attempted to use Todd’s failures as a springboard to question the legitimacy of the revival.

8. With genuine accountability, inner healing, counseling and deliverance we are confident that it is entirely possible for Todd to come through and gain victory over a number of significant personal issues with which he is struggling.

9. What Todd has done should not only be defined by his present failure. He has raised the bar on what is possible. He has broken a barrier of sorts for all of us and made a pathway into new possibilities.

10.So please pray for Todd and also for Shonnah and their family. Pray with fervency that the Lord would do a mighty miracle for the number one purpose of bringing vindication to His Name, but also that we might see our brother restored. We cannot control a person’s choices, nor have we any desire to do so. What we can control is our response to their choices and see the Lord take what the enemy means for evil and work it together for good.



These observations and apologies form a worthwhile structure for future revivals that we might be a part of. Establishing a solid base before trying to handle exponential growth.
Being prepared for criticism. Setting a Biblical policy on rest for all those involved, no matter how much God is working.

 
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Since this topic still brings up emotions, it is a good time to use it for planning. If we were to see the warning signs in our churches, what actions would we take? At what point would we confront lax standards, if at all? To what extent would we step in to help make things work toward God's glory?

This international series of services hit many believers hard. Some had invested time and money, prayer, and some invited friends to watch the services. To find out that harm might be caused through something we supported is both humbling and painful.

Each incident like this causes us to be more cautious. Less excited about what God is doing in churches. More wary of whether a person is "really of God" or not. When we get jaded, we put more limits on God and ourselves. We find it harder to settle into a fellowship.

http://www.freshfire.ca/?Id=1067&pid=8

Thanks for the link. The Fresh Fire leadership pointed out some things they would probably watch out for in the future:

1. As the Outpouring continued, the Board of Directors and other leaders in Lakeland suggested that Todd take a few days off each week to rest and refresh. We learned from experience, however, and the post-Lakeland counsel of Christian leaders, that the anointing can be addictive.

2. Significant personal issues in Todd’s life and make-up, as well as, flaws in the functioning structure of our leadership resulted in an impossible pace to maintain… seven nights a week for more than 15 weeks on end. We fully accept the responsibility as a Board of Directors for this lapse in judgment; we should have required that not just Todd and the team, but the entire Outpouring rest a minimum of one day a week.

3. As the pressure of leading the revival continued, media attention increased resulting in less and less personal time.

4. As fatigue began to set in, significant personal issues ...were exacerbated...With the development of more friction in his marriage relationship, Todd began to make irrational decisions.

5. The fact that the revival was .. three thousand miles from our home office... the entire administration for the revival was provided by a rotating stream of church leaders and Board members who would assist behind the scenes and on the platform for a few weeks at a time and then return to Canada, usually on the verge of total exhaustion.

6. Many early signs that something was drastically wrong were overlooked. By the time we became fully aware and/or were willing to admit how dysfunctional things had become behind the scenes, the damage had already been done.

7, Since then, many false accusations and rumors surrounding both Todd and the Lakeland Outpouring have attempted to use Todd’s failures as a springboard to question the legitimacy of the revival.

8. With genuine accountability, inner healing, counseling and deliverance we are confident that it is entirely possible for Todd to come through and gain victory over a number of significant personal issues with which he is struggling.

9. What Todd has done should not only be defined by his present failure. He has raised the bar on what is possible. He has broken a barrier of sorts for all of us and made a pathway into new possibilities.

10.So please pray for Todd and also for Shonnah and their family. Pray with fervency that the Lord would do a mighty miracle for the number one purpose of bringing vindication to His Name, but also that we might see our brother restored. We cannot control a person’s choices, nor have we any desire to do so. What we can control is our response to their choices and see the Lord take what the enemy means for evil and work it together for good.



These observations and apologies form a worthwhile structure for future revivals that we might be a part of. Establishing a solid base before trying to handle exponential growth.
Being prepared for criticism. Setting a Biblical policy on rest for all those involved, no matter how much God is working.


Bingo! It's the difference between being led by the spirit and working by the flesh. Just because someone's doing something we think is good and positive or even Godly and right, doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is in it.


And I agree, it's definitely a place to learn.
 
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Bingo! It's the difference between being led by the spirit and working by the flesh. Just because someone's doing something we think is good and positive or even Godly and right, doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is in it.


And I agree, it's definitely a place to learn.

Ditto! :amen: :clap:
 
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