Steve Petersen
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So was Paul under a curse when he brought sacrifices to the Temple AFTER his conversion?
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So was Paul under a curse when he brought sacrifices to the Temple AFTER his conversion?
I was specifically pointing out that the verse says "For as many as are OF the works of the law".... You still ignored that part. I'm sure that you understand that you cannot dice scripture like that. You have to understand the WHOLE thing.
So, essentially, you're saying that the HS is ALL you need. Then, why do you even use a Bible? Not trying to split hairs, just trying to understand. I just saw something interesting posted on facebook. Let's see if I can find it.
The context of the passage was that James had instructed him to do it to prove that he was NOT turning Jews away from the Law. Paul complied.
Was he Paul being deceitful by complying or was he truly NOT teaching what he had been accused of?
Yes he was. I assume you're talking about his Nazirite vow. He foolishly thought he could win over the unbelieving Jews by sinking to their level. Jesus did say that he would show Saul (Paul) how great things he must suffer for his name.
What i understood by "For as many as are of the works of the law" (KJV) is "For those who are for practicisng the law ie those pro-Law doers ". Various other translations of the bible supports this view.
It does not mean "born of the law" as you are trying to imply but it means "those who support or in favour of practising the law".
In English "of" something means one is pro , in favor of or subscribes to a particular opinion or belongs to a particular group. It is different from "born of".
Gal 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. (NIV)
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them. (RSV)
For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law. (NET)
This warning about one's inability to fulfiill the whole law is re-emphasized again in James 2:10
" For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it" James 2:10.
And the curse of the law is re-emphasized..
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree" Gal 3:13
The bible clearly states the law brings a curse.
When you do something that is wrong the HS will prompt you in the heart. You can choose to obey it or ignore it.
There are many things which are not covered by the OT law but they are wrong.
We may try to justify them by saying they are legalistically not wrong, yet the HS will tell you otherwise.
For example , making false tax declarations in your tax forms may not be specifically-wrong under OT law, yet the HS will you otherwise.
I don't think evidence would convince you. I doubt a Damascus road experience would convince you.
First, I did not say anything about being born of the law, I am a Gentile not Jewish.
Second, let's look at the scripture preceding that (and not YOUR understanding since scripture interprets scripture): Galatians 3:9 So then those who [are] of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
So, if I as a gentile, believe by faith that Jesus has saved me and am blessed in one verse...but, choose to live my life by the rules that God established as a way for humans to live and am now cursed...even though I am not using it as my works for salvation, I'm still cursed, but wait before it said I'm blessed.....yeah, pretty confusing. I would say that someone is twisting scripture.
Let me ask you a different question...have you ever broken ANY commandment at all? As a believer or not....and then, by your own understanding you are now cursed because you did not follow the whole law even when you might have tried to follow the big 10? Why even follow any of it all by your interpretation? Why not go kill, steal and destroy so you can make completely sure that you are not "trying to follow the law"? See how ridiculous this argument is?
Did you look at my link to the break down of the 1000 "commandments" that were given to us in the NT?
Definitely NOT true, cheating someone is most DEFINITELY in the Law. Paul,himself, said the Law was a schoolmaster to know right from wrong. The thing is, the HS brings it to mind so you can remember His Ways...which is what the Lord said He would do when He would take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh.
That's ok, denim. You refuse to answer my questions or acknowledge my points. We keep going in circles and I am not fond of wasting time...especially, when there is so much to find out about my God.
I'll just keep on living in God's ways because they ARE life and life is better when you follow Him.
Read Psalm 119
So what if he is? I agree with a lot of what he postedDid you join CF just so you could spew this antinomian drivel?
Antinomianism is considered heresy in most of the Christian world.
Here is the reply i gave .Anti nomianism - in short means justified by faith alone without the need of any moral code (OT Law?)
Christians are supposed to live by the law of the Spirit of life in christ Jesus and not the Law of Sin and Death.
There is still a law but it is written in our hearts (Hebrews 10:16). Not written by the hands of men.
Paul says that the law shows us that we sin so we know where to improve
its a diagnosis of sin not a cure