There IS evidence for God....

[Davian]

Yes we use the THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR in America.
The Hebrew (Judea) people still use their calendar based on the Bible.

What day then comes after Woden's day on your calendar?

 

[AV1611VET]

What day then comes after Woden's day on your calendar?

Thursday.

(My calendar is a KJ calendar.)

 

[Davian]

Thursday.

(My calendar is a KJ calendar.)

I am wondering what it says on Joshua's calendar.

 

[Hieronymus]

I assume the Jewish calendar starts at Genesis 1:1 starting "in the beginning".
Is this correct?

 

[TLK Valentine]

"the Church" as it calls itself, but these changes came long after the Christian Faith and the Bible were established.

Meaning the Christian faith evolved...

 

[TLK Valentine]

2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

And yet you wear ignorance proudly -- like a badge, one might say...

 

[Hieronymus]

Meaning the Christian faith evolved...

No, the faith and the Bible were established shortly after Christ.
The 'mutations' of christianity (the institutionalised religion) came some centuries later.

 

[Hieronymus]

And yet you wear ignorance proudly -- like a badge, one might say...

What's the basis for saying that?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No, the faith and the Bible were established shortly after Christ.
The 'mutations' of christianity (the institutionalised religion) came some centuries later.

Be that as it may, mutations are part of evolution... so the faith did, in fact, evolve.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What's the basis for saying that?

Simple -- I'm quoting his past words.

 

[Hieronymus]

Be that as it may, mutations are part of evolution... so the faith did, in fact, evolve.

That is not what i wrote.
You seem keen on assuming the Christian faith is not what it used to be.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet you wear ignorance proudly -- like a badge, one might say...

Ignince a sients.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is not what i wrote.
You seem keen on assuming the Christian faith is not what it used to be.

An obvious conclusion based on observation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ignince a sients.

Then that's not one of Satan's devices? Good to know.

 

[Hieronymus]

An obvious conclusion based on observation.

Allright, then we have to use some definitions to be clear.
You must discern between:
- the faith and its theology and what it is based on.
- the institutionalised religion (in this case the chrurch that assumed power and the right to change things)
because these are obviously different things.
Your "observation" is "hindsight", based on what you have accepted as truth about this matter.
Your conclusion is correct i.m.o. when you look at the institutionalised religion, in this case form the 5th century AD onward.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Allright, then we have to use some definitions to be clear.
You must discern between:
- the faith and its theology and what it is based on.
- the institutionalised religion (in this case the chrurch that assumed power and the right to change things)
because these are obviously different things.
Your "observation" is "hindsight", based on what you have accepted as truth about this matter.
Your conclusion is correct i.m.o. when you look at the institutionalised religion, in this case form the 5th century AD onward.

The "faith" in an abstract sense, is meaningless unless we look at the practice of that faith... so in order for the faith to be unchanged as you would claim, that would require Christians to observe and practice it free of any and all influence of centuries of institutionalized religion.

 

[Hieronymus]

The "faith" in an abstract sense, is meaningless unless we look at the practice of that faith...

You want to imply that the religion is always the practice of the faith it is derived from / where it stemmed form.
You can establish this by comparing the faith and the Bible with the religious practices and teachings they uphold.
But you will see the difference, and it is recorded history when and by whom chanages were made, and what the changes were.
This is what i'm explaining to you now for the 3rd time, and it will be the last time.

so in order for the faith to be unchanged as you would claim, that would require Christians to observe and practice it free of any and all influence of centuries of institutionalized religion.

In this case we're discussing, yes.
In general, Thessalonians 5:21.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
The Bible has doctrinal authority, you see.
It is inspired by God, it claims to be the truth, despite common disbelief and denial, the evidence forms a big picture that is consistent with Biblical history.

Now ask yourself why you're not eager to find out more, but rather dismiss this.
It is a normal reaction though.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You want to imply that the religion is always the practice of the faith it is derived from / where it stemmed form.

I want to imply -- and in fact I'll explicitly say -- that there is a difference between what the faith is and what the faith is supposed to be, and that it would be supremely naive to suggest otherwise.

You can establish this by comparing the faith and the Bible with the religious practices and teachings they uphold.
But you will see the difference, and it is recorded history when and by whom chanages were made, and what the changes were.

Which I have never denied.

This is what i'm explaining to you now for the 3rd time, and it will be the last time.In this case we're discussing, yes.
In general, Thessalonians 5:21.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
The Bible has doctrinal authority, you see.

But it is not the sole source of that authority.

It is inspired by God, it claims to be the truth, despite common disbelief and denial, the evidence forms a big picture that is consistent with Biblical history.

Anything can claim to be the truth... being the truth is not so simple.

Now ask yourself why you're not eager to find out more, but rather dismiss this.
It is a normal reaction though.

You haven't told me anything I didn't already know... what's to dismiss?

I know you're trying to sound wise and profound.... better luck next time.

 

[farout]

And apparently all you have to do is call 855fortruth to get it. Saw a billboard in Malvern, Arkansas that told me so.

For ever and always, for those who believe there is more than enough evidence for GOD. For those who refuse to believe there will never be enough evidence to prove the existence of God. Not even if jess Christ was standing next to them. 2 Corinthians chapter 5 tells says that Satan has blinded them to the truth.

The reason for eternity in heaven for those who love God the Creator and His Son Jesus Christ, is because they have trusted Christ in Faith. Those who have rejected GOD also have a place prepared for them for eternity. No one can say that they were not given the choice to step out in faith.

If you are reading this and do not believe in Jesus Christ, what would it take for you to believe?

 

[Hieronymus]

I want to imply -- and in fact I'll explicitly say -- that there is a difference between what the faith is and what the faith is supposed to be, and that it would be supremely naive to suggest otherwise.

So you use different terms than i to say the same.
Fine by me, but it's confusing to use definitions loosely or different that the earlier proposed definitions.
'Supreme naivity' has nothing to do with this.

Which I have never denied.

Good.

But it is not the sole source of that authority.

God is the other source, the holy Spirit, according to the theology of the faith, according to the Bible.
It's a package deal, you see.

Anything can claim to be the truth... being the truth is not so simple.

Why not?

BELIEVING it and TESTING IF it is true is not so simple.
I'll give you that.

You haven't told me anything I didn't already know... what's to dismiss?

You tell me.

You didn't seem to want to discern things, you seemed to either misunderstand or disagree with me.

I know you're trying to sound wise and profound.... better luck next time.

This... You see?
Maybe you just have some troll-genes, i dunno...