The USA has a gun violence problem,, NOT!

[Reformed Lutheran]

This is a GIGANTIC amount of gun deaths.

To speak of this as "no big deal" is absolutely callous and insane.

No it's not,, 15 times more people die from lightning strikes around the world then the deaths listed above. More people in some of these states are winning the lottery each year then there are people being murdered with a gun.

Living in a state that has millions of people yet only has a few dozen gun murders per year,, I'm completely content living in a state like that and able to keep my freedoms

 

[Armoured]

No it's not,, 15 times more people die from lightning strikes around the world then the deaths listed above.

around the world? How about per capita?

 

[iluvatar5150]

No it's not,, 15 times more people die from lightning strikes around the world then the deaths listed above.

There were 26 people in the US killed by lightning last year. If that were a state and we were talking about guns, that would put it at the 38th lowest total gun-murder rate, between Utah and West Virginia (according to wikipedia's 2010 numbers). There are about 24,000 lightning-related fatalities a year in the world, and about 8,800 firearm-related homicides in the US.

Are you trying to bamboozle us with lousy comparisons or do you really not have any idea how bad your comparison is?

More people in some of these states are winning the lottery each year then there are people being murdered with a gun.

Really? Which ones? Because Vermont, NH, and Maine are all in the bottom 7 for both gun-murder rates and total gun-murders; they have a combined tri-state lottery and their number of gun-murders is WAY higher than their number of lottery winners. (assuming we're talking about jackpots)

 

[Reformed Lutheran]

Because Vermont, NH, and Maine are all in the bottom 7 for both gun-murder rates and total gun-murders; they have a combined tri-state lottery and their number of gun-murders is WAY higher than their number of lottery winners. (assuming we're talking about jackpots)

Vermont has a gun murder total of only 2 people per year, 0.03 per capita . TWO people per year! And in New Hampshire it is 5.
That's it,, there's not a gun violence issue

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

[rambot]

240,000 gun deaths in 10 years is a problem, regardless of how many pretty pink ties you try to put on it. Nobody would argue there aren't safe places in America, but the "not my problem" attitude you seem too comfortable to be holding is not going to solve the problem. That makes you part of the problem.

The car argument? Well, I TOTALLY AGREE that cars should be seen as dangerous
as a gun. That's why there are physical limitations (if you're blind, you can't drive); you need to get insurance either for yourself or for your car (is there such a thing as insurance that covers you specifically if you shoot someone?); you can only buy certain types of cars (grades of license); incapacity to use a car safely will cause you to lose your car and never be able to drive again; if there is a medical condition which precludes you from driving, you may not drive.

Is there a national standard that matches this for guns? Pure ignorance is asking this question; and I'm happy to learn.


As a sidebar though, if you consider the amount of time cars are used in this society, comparing them to guns makes absolutely no sense. As a matter of context (how much and how often used), I very much doubt that cars are more dangerous than guns given the number of cars, and the number of people driving in the US compared to how often guns are shot (including time in ranges).

 

[iluvatar5150]

Vermont has a gun murder total of only 2 people per year, 0.03 per capita . TWO people per year! And in New Hampshire it is 5.
That's it,, there's not a gun violence issue

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Whoa, look at those goalposts move. I asked which states had more lottery winners than gun-murder victims. I looked over most of the results for the VT, NH, and ME lotteries for this year, and I didn't find anywhere near as many jackpot winners as I there were gun-murder victims. That's including VT's low gun-murder count of 2 - I didn't see any non-scratch jackpots in VT this year.

But no, in the two states with the lowest gun-murder rates in the country, there probably isn't a gun violence issue. But those states aren't representative of the rest of the country. Most of the rest of the country has gun-murder rates at least 5x that high. Most of the people in this country live in states with rates 10x that high.

I gotta wonder if you're even trying to put together a cogent argument, or if you're just trying to throw numbers at us. Do you think these numbers are convincing? Because to the rest of us who know how to read them, they're not.

 

[bhsmte]

No it's not,, 15 times more people die from lightning strikes around the world then the deaths listed above. More people in some of these states are winning the lottery each year then there are people being murdered with a gun.

Living in a state that has millions of people yet only has a few dozen gun murders per year,, I'm completely content living in a state like that and able to keep my freedoms

What is your source on this, as judging by your previous posts, you tend to post bogus information?

http://globalnews.ca/news/1546405/how-many-people-die-from-lightning-strikes-each-year/

 

[iluvatar5150]

What is your source on this, as judging by your previous posts, you tend to post bogus information?

http://globalnews.ca/news/1546405/how-many-people-die-from-lightning-strikes-each-year/

Even if his numbers check out this time, he's cherry-picking data to the point of absurdity.

 

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[nightflight]

Gun control is about the issue, not solution. Stop doing politicians work.

 

[rambot]

Gun control is about the issue, not solution. Stop doing politicians work.

There is no solution (single). There are solutions (plural). Gun control is a solution. It will not prevent all shootings. Nothing will. But why not do things that will make shootings slightly less frequent?

 

[Vylo]

your absolutely wrong.. there are 300 million guns in the US,, there are 8000 or so gun homicides. so clearly the vast vast vast vast vast majority of people are using these guns NOT as a weapon whose soul purpose is to kill.
quite the opposite - Why do you think we have shooting sports in the olympics ? Or have national championships in various shooting sports. Gun use as a "tool" for sport is extremely common and popular.

That's 300 million weapons not tools.

Shooting for sport still doesn't make it a tool, a football is not a tool.

Guns are for killing. That's what they are there for. The killing isn't always bad, but that's their intent.

 

[Black Dog]

Ok, in 2010 approximately 7000 people were killed nationally while someone was committing a crime in use with a gun.

In 2010 approximately 14,000 people were killed nationally while someone was committing a crime in use of a vehicle

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/r...tions/by_the_numbers/drunk_driving/index.html

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In 2010 approximately everyone was wearing clothes when committing a crime, or killing someone. Guns don't kill, clothes do!

 

[Black Dog]

More people in some of these states are winning the lottery each year then there are people being murdered with a gun.

That's a really bad argument. What does the number of lottery prizes won have to do with the number of people murdered with guns?

 

[iluvatar5150]

That's a really bad argument. What does the number of lottery prizes won have to do with the number of people murdered with guns?

He's trying to illustrate how rare gun deaths are in some areas. But he's wrong.